The NFL, concussions, and the importance of Dave Duerson's suicide last Thursday

Seau lawsuit outlines symptoms dating back to mid-1990s

Posted by Mike Florio on January 23, 2013, 3:54 PM EST

The complaint filed by the estate and four children of linebacker Junior Seau contains claims and allegations typical of the thousands of other concussion lawsuits. For example, the lawsuit refers to the NFL’s glorification of violent play via videos sold by NFL Films, quoting Seau from a 1993 offering in which he says, “If I can feel some dizziness, I know that guy is feeling double [that].”

But the lawsuit contains a lengthy and detailed explanation of the symptoms Seau suffered in the years prior to his death. The complaint explains that, as early as the mid-1990s, Seau was demonstrating “dizziness and other symptoms of concussion,” with a “noted change in his behavior and functioning.” He began, according to the lawsuit, to become “erratic,” and he showed “emotional instability.” The complaints refers to persistent insomnia dating back to the mid-1990s, and contends that he became “forgetful and unable to concentrate or focus.”

“Both at work and at home, people noticed that he could not remember their discussions, he misplaced things and forgot appointments,” the complaint alleges.

Seau also began to demonstrate “self-destructive, aggressive and violent behavior,” along with “severe depression,” during which episodes he became “irrational and unreachable.” He “lashed out verbally and physically at his staff, friends, and family,” and he “entered a devastating cycle of depression and alcohol abuse.”

The lawsuit further claims that he became “a compulsive, manic gambler,” which led to “gambling binges” resulting in the loss of “significant amounts of money.”

While the timeline of the various manifestations of alleged brain damage isn’t clear, the fact that Seau began to show symptoms as early as the mid-1990s gives rise to an obvious question: Why did he keep playing football?

Moreover, the long list of symptoms highlights one of the biggest challenges Seau’s lawyers will face. Arguably, the NFL was fully aware of the risks of concussions in October 2009, once the NFL acknowledged the problem to Congress and began to make significant changes in the management of players who have suffered brain injuries. If, at that point, Seau was exhibiting symptoms (and based on the lawsuit he clearly was), the two-year clock began to tick. And, as the NFL surely will argue, it expired more than six months before his death.

“We were saddened to learn that Junior, a loving father and teammate, suffered from CTE,” Seau’s family said in a statement. “While Junior always expected to have aches and pains from his playing days, none of us ever fathomed that he would suffer a debilitating brain disease that would cause him to leave us too soon.”

This suggests that the Seau lawsuit will hinge on the argument that the window for filing suit didn’t open until Seau was diagnosed with Chronic Traumatic Encephelopathy, after his death. While a court may agree, there’s a good chance that the case will be dismissed fairly quickly, under the argument that Seau was having cognitive problems years in advance, and that his deadline for filing a lawsuit expired before he died.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...t-outlines-symptoms-dating-back-to-mid-1990s/
 
Yeah...

Thanks for keeping this thread alive, Rory. (Mean that sincerely)

I have a real hard time why a guy like JR Seau would compromise everything he's accomplished - by ending his own life. I have an ENORMOUSLY hard time with that.

This guy, spent all his years in the NFL - establishing what it MEANS to be alive. (I take the sport of Football very serious. I consider it - Life.)

I can't do this right (comment, currently), in a way that's worth... what he earned. But I don't get how a guy that spent his entire life, SUCCESFULLY delivering the message (as affirmed by friends, family, teamates), to PROVE what effort earns you... suddenly throws all that away and says, 'You can take your own life. That's an option.'

It's just like... "Juinior, WHY?!!!" How is that, what you want to say, when you're done?

It's very confusing.

I don't get it. That to me is the enemy.


And I know it is, cuz I tried to do it once, when I was young and dumb. But I know better now. When my heroes... work against me? We got problems.
 
Yeah...

Thanks for keeping this thread alive, Rory. (Mean that sincerely)

I have a real hard time why a guy like JR Seau would compromise everything he's accomplished - by ending his own life. I have an ENORMOUSLY hard time with that.

This guy, spent all his years in the NFL - establishing what it MEANS to be alive. (I take the sport of Football very serious. I consider it - Life.)

I can't do this right (comment, currently), in a way that's worth... what he earned. But I don't get how a guy that spent his entire life, SUCCESFULLY delivering the message (as affirmed by friends, family, teamates), to PROVE what effort earns you... suddenly throws all that away and says, 'You can take your own life. That's an option.'

It's just like... "Juinior, WHY?!!!" How is that, what you want to say, when you're done?

It's very confusing.

I don't get it. That to me is the enemy.

It reminds me of a loved one who had dementia. There was no suicide involved, but the sorts of decisions he made and his actions after the disease had progressed in no way matched the person I had known for years. The shitty part for me was coming to terms that the person I knew was essentially dead. But I couldn't put him to rest because glimpses of the man he'd been before dementia showed up at any given moment. It was the longest funeral I'd ever been witness to, and that fucking sucked.

Segway to today's news:

President concerned about brain injuries in football

Posted by Michael David Smith on January 27, 2013, 7:02 AM EST

President Obama has weighed in on the subject of brain injuries in football, saying that as a parent, he’s not sure he’d allow a son to play.

“I’m a big football fan, but I have to tell you if I had a son, I’d have to think long and hard before I let him play football,” Obama said in an interview with the New Republic. “And I think that those of us who love the sport are going to have to wrestle with the fact that it will probably change gradually to try to reduce some of the violence. In some cases, that may make it a little bit less exciting, but it will be a whole lot better for the players, and those of us who are fans maybe won’t have to examine our consciences quite as much.”

The NFL has taken most of the public criticism for head injuries, but Obama said his greater concern is for amateur players who aren’t getting paid and may not have as full an appreciation of the risks.

“I tend to be more worried about college players than NFL players in the sense that the NFL players have a union, they’re grown men, they can make some of these decisions on their own, and most of them are well-compensated for the violence they do to their bodies,” Obama said. “You read some of these stories about college players who undergo some of these same problems with concussions and so forth and then have nothing to fall back on. That’s something that I’d like to see the NCAA think about.”

The NFL has stayed a step ahead of the NCAA, both in enforcing rules designed to limit hits to the head and in treating players who suffer concussions. But fans of football at every level should be prepared for more political pressure on the sport to dramatically reduce hits to the head.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/
 
It's so revealing reading the President weighing in on the matter...

...perhaps someday football can be regulated to the point where even his own daughters and RoryN can play without fear of any injury or smearing their makeup.

Meanwhile...

...the UN ramps-up its criminal investigation on the Nobel Peace Prize winner's tyrannical fixation with cold-bloodedly killing innocent children, women, and men by his favored method of illegal war: drones.
 
It's so revealing reading the President weighing in on the matter...

...perhaps someday football can be regulated to the point where even his own daughters and RoryN can play without fear of any injury or smearing their makeup.

Meanwhile...

...the UN ramps-up its criminal investigation on the Nobel Peace Prize winner's tyrannical fixation with cold-bloodedly killing innocent children, women, and men by his favored method of illegal war: drones.

Meanwhile keep the discussion on target. This isn''t a Vette or his ilk thread. Politics are out the door.
 
It's so revealing reading the President weighing in on the matter...

...perhaps someday football can be regulated to the point where even his own daughters and RoryN can play without fear of any injury or smearing their makeup.

You're not - nor ever were - an athlete. You wouldn't understand. :cool:
 
Meanwhile keep the discussion on target. This isn''t a Vette or his ilk thread. Politics are out the door.

The Progressive-in-Chief has opened the political door wide...

...and RoryN posted the link which specifically referred to the political implications.

If you don't like "the discussion"...

...you're free to take your progressive azz out it.

Best do that instead of opening your partisan eyes to the fact that the man you voted for is okay intentionally killing innocent children, women, and men by drone attacks...
 
The Progressive-in-Chief has opened the political door wide...

...and RoryN posted the link which specifically referred to the political implications.

If you don't like "the discussion"...

...you're free to take your progressive azz out it.

Best do that instead of opening your partisan eyes to the fact that the man you voted for is okay intentionally killing innocent children, women, and men by drone attacks...

Get off your fucking hating soap box, take it to Neo-Con, religious freaks threads. Talk sports or appear to be the tin foil hat wearing hater you are!!!
 
You're not - nor ever were - an athlete. You wouldn't understand. :cool:

You understand getting cut from the 2nd grade tether ball team doesn't qualify you as an "athlete", anymore than 35k+ posts on LIT qualifies you as an "intellectual"...

...right?
 
Get off your fucking hating soap box, take it to Neo-Con, religious freaks threads. Talk sports or appear to be the tin foil hat wearing hater you are!!!

He does a search on "Obama" every 30 minutes. It's his only gig.
 
Get off your fucking hating soap box, take it to Neo-Con, religious freaks threads. Talk sports or appear to be the tin foil hat wearing hater you are!!!

You're like the 3 little monkeys all rolled into one: hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil...
 
You're like the 3 little monkeys all rolled into one: hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil...

You're smart :rolleyes:

Is Obama the first president to mention football and injury concern?

No wait, you'll not answer it because it was a Republican who first did. Theodore Roosevelt, in 1906!!
 
He does a search on "Obama" every 30 minutes. It's his only gig.

And here you are at your very finest...

...slinging your standard disingenuous sh!t at yet another teflon wall.

Why don't you comment on the fact that the guy you voted for for President personally authorizes the drone killings of innocent children, women, and men...

...and how that makes him qualified for you to bring him into your thread and finally do what you haven't personally had the overt nads to do so before on your own: completely politicize it?
 
And here you are at your very finest...

...slinging your standard disingenuous sh!t at yet another teflon wall.

Why don't you comment on the fact that the guy you voted for for President personally authorizes the drone killings of innocent children, women, and men...

...and how that makes him qualified for you to bring him into your thread and finally do what you haven't personally had the overt nads to do so before on your own: completely politicize it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
 
And here you are at your very finest...

...slinging your standard disingenuous sh!t at yet another teflon wall.

Why don't you comment on the fact that the guy you voted for for President personally authorizes the drone killings of innocent children, women, and men...

...and how that makes him qualified for you to bring him into your thread and finally do what you haven't personally had the overt nads to do so before on your own: completely politicize it?

BLOOD is on the GOP hands. They authorized ALL wars
 
You're smart :rolleyes:

Is Obama the first president to mention football and injury concern?

No wait, you'll not answer it because it was a Republican who first did. Theodore Roosevelt, in 1906!!

You do not need to prove to me once again what a simple relativist you inherently are...

...thank God for Google, huh, that you can search for a point to make that you had not known yourself before?

While don't you do another few, simpleton searches here on LIT and actually discover my thoughts on both the Republicans and Theodore Roosevelt...

...because if you do you'll see what your partisan hackness will immediately command you to discard once more.

At least - even while disingenuously ignorant - you have acknowledged the political aspect of this thread now...

...because the political shift to sensitize football is now well underway, and statists like you and RoryN won't be sated til the game is as government-regulated as the size of a NYC soft drink.

All the while...

...the progressive you voted for illegally authorizes the drone killings of innocent children, women, and men all over the world.

A liberal like myself says American federal government has absolutely no business in either that illegal murder, or taking any stand on anything they are not specifically, constitutionally charged with.

See the difference...

...you socialist piece of sh!t.
 
You do not need to prove to me once again what a simple relativist you inherently are...

...thank God for Google, huh, that you can search for a point to make that you had not known yourself before?

While don't you do another few, simpleton searches here on LIT and actually discover my thoughts on both the Republicans and Theodore Roosevelt...

...because if you do you'll see what your partisan hackness will immediately command you to discard once more.

At least - even while disingenuously ignorant - you have acknowledged the political aspect of this thread now...

...because the political shift to sensitize football is now well underway, and statists like you and RoryN won't be sated til the game is as government-regulated as the size of a NYC soft drink.

All the while...

...the progressive you voted for illegally authorizes the drone killings of innocent children, women, and men all over the world.

A liberal like myself says American federal government has absolutely no business in either that illegal murder, or taking any stand on anything they are not specifically, constitutionally charged with.

See the difference...

...you socialist piece of sh!t.

Your ignorance astounds me. You have no clue to what I am, who I am. Any person with a small amount of NCAA knowledge knows how close to ending the ENTIRE game of football Roosevelt came.

Innocent lives? GO away. Come back to me when MY family has its lands totally and entirely returned!
 
BLOOD is on the GOP hands. They authorized ALL wars

BLOOD is also on OBAMA'S hands. He authorizes ALL illegal drone attacks which continually kill innocent children, women, and men all over the world...

...stick out your own statist tongue and taste the droppings of the tyranny you support, lemming.
 
BLOOD is also on OBAMA'S hands. He authorizes ALL illegal drone attacks which continually kill innocent children, women, and men all over the world...

...stick out your own statist tongue and taste the droppings of the tyranny you support, lemming.

Seriously? The worst sheeple in this country are those that use RELIGION for everything in their lives.

And you're one of the worst on Lit!
 
Innocent lives? GO away. Come back to me when MY family has its lands totally and entirely returned!

Hmmm. Okay, I see...

...you want this thread to be about YOUR "family" now.

Cool.

Why don't you begin by telling me about THIS "family" and these "lands" you claim as yours...

Btw:

If your panties are really in a knot about that...

...why did you happily vote for a progressive who cares about YOUR alleged "family" and YOUR alleged "lands" about as much as he cares about the innocent children, women, and men he intentionally authorizes the murder of?
 
Seriously? The worst sheeple in this country are those that use RELIGION for everything in their lives.

And you're one of the worst on Lit!

You haven't searched my posts re: Republicans and Roosevelt yet, have you?

Too bad...

...'cause that means you'll desire to wallow in your own tepid dogma re: my posts on RELIGION, too.

Enjoy the stench, homey...
 
You haven't searched my posts re: Republicans and Roosevelt yet, have you?

Too bad...

...'cause that means you'll desire to wallow in your own tepid dogma re: my posts on RELIGION, too.

Enjoy the stench, homey...

Words words words
 
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