Gayness Hereditary but not a "gene" (New Theory)

[Exquisition]

Normal bell curve statistical graphs show that 100% heterotypesexuality and 100% homotypesexuality is possible, though at the ends.

I know, it wasn't Math Nerd verbage, but you know what I mean. LOL

Can you even get a full bellcurve with sexuality? How is that measured accurately when it is complex qualititave research by definition?

I tend to think nature "doesn;t do extremes" and will always thrive in middle ranges. I just can;t see someone being either 100% homo/hetero.

 

[RjThoughts]

Can you even get a full bellcurve with sexuality? How is that measured accurately when it is complex qualititave research by definition?

I tend to think nature "doesn;t do extremes" and will always thrive in middle ranges. I just can;t see someone being either 100% homo/hetero.

No, you can, and should. Since this is based on social statistics, the extreme ends of the curve will be present.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Normal bell curve statistical graphs show that 100% heterotypesexuality and 100% homotypesexuality is possible, though at the ends.

By definition, anything bounded between 0% and 100% is not a normal bell curve. Those go out to infinity in both directions

We can often use a normal curve to approximate the behaviour of a bounded distribution, as long as the distribution is smooshed up in the middle, but those aren't good approximations for the ends.

Stop talking about it in terms of 'cures' and 'causes'. you're making it sound like a fucking disease.

Word. Loving other people is not something that needs to be 'cured'.

AFAICT the idea that a bad sexual experience might turn a woman lesbian is a conceit of blokes who can't imagine any power in the universe aside from the Mighty Peen. "By the Bad Peen you have been corrupted - by the Good Peen you shall be CURED!"

(The reversed version with gay males also happens, but I'm not sure if it's quite as egregious.)

 

[Jdeau]

Consider the Bonobo

I think we're all unnecessarily complicating the issue.

The fact is that homosexual behavior is found in virtually all mammal species. I myself once had two male cats who were gay for each other. Go to a cattle ranch sometime and watch some of the cows and bulls...it's a real eye-opener.

And consider the tri-sexual bonobo chimpanzee, which will "try" anything "sexual." Male-male and female-female bonding and sexual activity among these creatures is common (and sexual activity overall is damn near constant). Practically all they do is fuck and diddle and lick and blow each other, regardless of gender.

Significantly, violence among bonobos is virtually unknown (not the case with the bigger, more vicious pan troglydites).

Furthermore, consider that we share over 98% of the bonobo's DNA.

I believe the reason we're not all openly bisexual is because of this fixation on Abraham's vengeful desert deity who reputedly punishes his creations for having sex with the wrong people by putting them in a fiery place called "hell" for all eternity (after reputedly creating them with a powerful sex drive) - but is apparently fine with beating and killing those who don't follow his disgusting, bloodthirsty religion....

Suggest people read the Neanderthal Parallax trilogy by Robert Sawyer to see what human society not burdened with religion might be like.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Data can be distributed many ways, but only when it is distributed around a central value with no bias left or right is it considered a normal distribution, or a "Bell Curve." Normal Distribution.

Who mentioned bell curves in the first place? Whatta dumbass




Anyway if you ignore my musical intrument reference, the rest of my argument still stands...

 

[Exquisition]

Who mentioned bell curves in the first place? Whatta dumbass




Anyway if you ignore my musical intrument reference, the rest of my argument still stands...

Statistically, it is possible to get a bell-end curve with sexuality though....

 

[RjThoughts]

Who mentioned bell curves in the first place? Whatta dumbass




Anyway if you ignore my musical intrument reference, the rest of my argument still stands...

My ass is NOT dumb (waving nerd index finger in mock anger)

 

[Stella_Omega]

Statistically, it is possible to get a bell-end curve with sexuality though....

Do you think?I kind of do too, although I think the bell might be dented across the top. As in. I don't know what percentage of people might actually be 50/50. My hypotheses would be that's a third end of the bell...

My ass is NOT dumb (waving nerd index finger in mock anger)

No dude, I think I did.

 

[RjThoughts]

Do you think?I kind of do too, although I think the bell might be dented across the top. As in. I don't know what percentage of people might actually be 50/50. My hypotheses would be that's a third end of the bell...


No dude, I think I did.

Whew!

 

[soflabbwlvr]

Who mentioned bell curves in the first place? Whatta dumbass




Anyway if you ignore my musical intrument reference, the rest of my argument still stands...

This article supports the proposition that sexual identification is actually a continuum, rather than a black or white choice. Epstein.The methodology is a little suspect (internet survey--the author addresses that issue). The tables at the end show more or less what we have been talking about, although my interpretation of them doesn't exactly support your hypothesis. This is, of course, just one survey. I'm sure there are many more.

 

[Exquisition]

This article supports the proposition that sexual identification is actually a continuum, rather than a black or white choice. Epstein.The methodology is a little suspect (internet survey--the author addresses that issue). The tables at the end show more or less what we have been talking about, although my interpretation of them doesn't exactly support your hypothesis. This is, of course, just one survey. I'm sure there are many more.

You know underlying everything is pheromones don't you?

These powerful puppies flying around just waiting to assault the olfactory receptors cannot be reasoned with, they're like the Terminator in that regard.

I have a hunch that pheromones are the missing link.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Being that no scientific study has ever found any evidence that pheromones have any effect on human behavior whatever, I think you're either speculating desperately or just plain confused.

 

[Stella_Omega]

This article supports the proposition that sexual identification is actually a continuum, rather than a black or white choice. Epstein.The methodology is a little suspect (internet survey--the author addresses that issue). The tables at the end show more or less what we have been talking about, although my interpretation of them doesn't exactly support your hypothesis. This is, of course, just one survey. I'm sure there are many more.

Man, I can't read anymore papers tonight.
The pretty pictures seem to say that many more people percieve themelves straight than any other thing, which I acknowledge. But that perception can change (or be validated, for sure,) when people are required to examine it for one reason or another.

Our society is set up to support the non-examination of heteronormative identification. It's very easy to ignore any sort of same sex stirrings one might have, in favor of the big straight.

 

[Exquisition]

Being that no scientific study has ever found any evidence that pheromones have any effect on human behavior whatever, I think you're either speculating desperately or just plain confused.

The focus of the experiments on human pheromones has been on three classes of putative pheromones: axillary steroids, vaginal aliphatic acids, and stimulators of the vomeronasal organ.

Axillary steroids

There are three axillary steroids that have been described as human pheromones: androstenone, androstenol, and androstandienone. The axillary steroids are produced by the testes, ovaries, apocrine glands and adrenal glands.[20] These chemicals are not biologically active until puberty when the sex steroids influence their activity.[21] This change in activity associated with puberty is some of the best evidence that our species do communicate through odors.[20]

Androstenol is the putative female pheromone.[21] In a study by Kirk-Smith, people wearing surgical masks treated with androstenol or untreated were shown pictures of people, animals and buildings and asked to rate the pictures on attractiveness.[22] Individuals with their masked treated with androstenol rated their photographs as being ‘warmer’ and ‘more friendly’.[22]

The best-known case involves the synchronization of menstrual cycles among women based on unconscious odor cues (the McClintock effect, named after the primary investigator, Martha McClintock, of the University of Chicago).[23][24] This study exposed a group of women to a whiff of perspiration from other women. It was found that it caused their menstrual cycles to speed up or slow down depending on the time in the month the sweat was collected: before, during, or after ovulation.


Guess not....

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pheromone

Are you one of those thread hackers seeking destruction whereever you sense weakness? Shame if you are, it's even weaker.

 

[Stella_Omega]

No, he isn't.

 

[Exquisition]

No, he isn't.

Hope not, I don't know the guy, still learning the ropes.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Well played. I was thinking of the alleged sex pheromones that are supposed to be detected in an 'atrophied' organ in the human nose. They might work, but the proof isn't in, or wasn't the last I read.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Well played. I was thinking of the alleged sex pheromones that are supposed to be detected in an 'atrophied' organ in the human nose. They might work, but the proof isn't in, or wasn't the last I read.

not only 'sex' pheromones-- all pheromones. vomeronasal Organ
I was reading a book about it, but my daughter loaned it to an alien from another dimension evidently-- I never got to finish it

 

[Storiest]

Interesting

Similar theories have been made about Schizophrenia. Please don't get me wrong, I would never compare gayness to a disease, but the fields of psychology, biology, and genetics approach a lot of stuff like a disease, especially when it relates to sexuality.

There is a fair amount of evidence that Schizophrenia and many other behaviors are affected by family relationships, non-genetic heredity, and other interfering psychological and genetic conditions.

On another note, I think the issue of gayness would ideally be left alone by the scientific community altogether, it is a sign of the reluctance to accept homosexuality. If searching for a gene linked to sexual orientation was purely for progress or scientific knowledge, or the eventual acceptance of homosexuality as an inherent characteristic in humanity, the hate would still continue if not escalate and spread after that was discovered. Why is it that every article on the topic frames it as a gene for gayness, instead of a gene for sexual orientation, or even heterosexuality?

P.S. "Gay gene" is a term that is beyond weird. It made me burst out laughing at first, and then made me kinda wonder why it is being used. Anyways, peace love and all that.

 

[Stella_Omega]

"Science" should leave nothing alone. Everything can be scrutinized and humans will poke and pry. Whatever facts can be uncovered only add to our total sum of knowledge. There are many studies of heterosexuality, along with every other human aspect.

We just happen to be talking about this study.

 

[mikey2much]

I had hoped that they would find a ''gay gene'

The fact that the self righteous church goer's feel that it is immoral behavior and should be thought of as a sin, makes it important. If it is proven to be genetic, than it is not a choice, it becomes an imposed behavior. God made you that way, you are blameless.

So discovery of 'The Gay Gene' would be the disarming of the church.

 

[njlauren]

Violence is natural, too. So is incest. So is cannibalism. And unless youre a LIT faggot or faggot wannabee, you discourage it all.

So are a lot of things, some good and some bad, some neutral. What you are leaving out is why those things are bad. Violence for violence sake hurts someone, cannibalism besides often denying someone their life to feed someone's habit also has the possibility of spreading disease and mutating diseases, and incest has all kinds of potential harms around it,emotional and psychological.

Wanna know what we have according to the pedophiles who run the church (like, they should be making moral judgements?)...that homosexuality is 'unnatural', 'objectively disordered', a sin...but that fails the bullshit detector big time as proof of harm, because guess what, if it exists in the animal kingdom it is natural. Animals do commit violence, but in the scheme of the animal world it makes sense, they don't commit violence for fun the way humans do (and remember, chief, every church thinks violence is okay, as long as they approve it; the evangelicals think the death penalty is moral, all churches have blessed warfare, and so forth). Animals don't commit incest, they are wired against that because genetically it is a disaster area, and in terms of cannibalism animals only do that in times of duress, like when a mother rabbit will eat her young, and there is a definitive reason for doing so in terms of survival........nature doesn't operate on good and evil, thinks happen there for a reason, and no church teaches that animals are evil or can have sin..which means if they have homosexuality, there is a reason for it.

So morally the ban on homosexuality comes down to a what a bunch of bronze age nomads running around on camels thought of things.

Then we come to the legal, and no one can give a reason to be prejudiced against gays, time and again they come back to what the religious leaders spout out. Unable to procreate? Gays do, in a variety of ways, they use surrogates, they adopt kids, have kids from straight relationships, just like straight couples do (after all, don't the churches tell people adoption is the answer to abortion?) No scientiic, objective study of same sex couples raising kids show the kids to be any different, other then having to deal with jerks like the post I am responding to and maybe being a bit better educated and tolerant then kids raised by straight couples, no one has showed any harm to anything by gays being treated as people......so basically what the anti gay argument boils down to i believe what a bunch of ignorant jack offs in a place where people for the past 2000 years have been butchering each other willy nilly, can't figure out how to live like peaceful human beings, and we are supposed to follow what their even more ignorant ancestors said?
I say that with one caveat, ironically, a country that is a lot more progressive on gays has been Israel, the land that gave birth to much of this crap, and other then the ultra orthodox no one there cares, gays have been serving openly in the military for a lot of years, have been given a lot of rights, kind of says how stupid they think the OT is as basis for law.

 

[ishtat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome

Interesting article - well worth reading.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Interesting article - well worth reading.

Androgen insensitivity is much rarer than are gay men. Tons of dudes have all of their testosterone production intact, and prefer other dudes.


Gender-- the inner sense of who you are-- is NOT the same thing as sexual preference-- the inner sense of who you want.

Orthogonal, baby!

 

[topace]

*goes off to find an image of a broken hornet's nest to use in threads like these*

Some people can't stop themselves from posting stuff that leads to stirring up the virtual hornet's nest of trouble...

*enjoys an evil laugh*