Abort or die?

[richard_daily]

Political correctness, in this context, means that the popular line must always be towed. White males are the source of all evil in the world

So you're saying that christianity is the same as political correctness?

I mean, it's the popular line, so by your own (slightly skewed) definition, you'll have to accept that.

Tow it.

 

[coachdb18]

First, not a liberal, really. Though richard_daily is going to pin something on me if he can.

Supporting someone's right to choose doesn't mean you have to prove it by compulsively only making one choice for yourself just to make a point.

I support another woman's right to choose and I've had two kids. They're not liberal either, just as prone to argument as their mom is.

Conservatives typically don't abort, liberals make up about 95% of the abortions that are performed.

In 1860, the 'right to choose' meant you could hold that another persons body belonged to you, and you had a choice of what you could do with it then too.

 

[blobfish]

So you're saying that christianity is the same as political correctness?

I mean, it's the popular line, so by your own (slightly skewed) definition, you'll have to accept that.

Tow it.

I don't quite grasp the meaning of this post, but I don't tow the Christianity line or the liberal atheist line. I tow my own line.

 

[Recidiva]

No, but you said that humans cannot resist their sexual urges.

No, that's not what I said, you said that.

The research goes like this if you don't want to look:

People think they're going to handle temptation much better than they actually handle it. So people who feel educated and perfectly capable of handling themselves during a situation where, say, a condom breaks or they're at risk for disease, aren't as prepared as they think they are. Biochemistry compels a human to have sex, and shuts off bits of the critical thought process when hormones flood the system.

It's a reality. Being a biological imperative to reproduce, the brain has gone out of its way to provide us with both a very strong drive and a diminishing capacity to say "no" once the hormones kick in.

Lucky us.

Rapists suffer from the strong drive and being a complete douchebag who should have their bits removed.

That's not research, that's just my strong opinion.

 

[Recidiva]

Conservatives typically don't abort, liberals make up about 95% of the abortions that are performed.

In 1860, the 'right to choose' meant you could hold that another persons body belonged to you, and you had a choice of what you could do with it then too.

Conservatives don't admit to aborting.

In 1860, women died of awful hemorrhages from black market abortions and had listed on their obituaries that they died of cancer or a "sudden illness."

 

[richard_daily]

I don't quite grasp the meaning of this post, but I don't tow the Christianity line or the liberal atheist line. I tow my own line.

There's quite a bit that you don't grasp.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You understand that well over a 1 million+ American human lives die each year "from abortion", right?

BTW: you didn't Google, did ya? Try it: not only will you find deaths at the hands of PP, but deaths at all the other abortion facilities, too.

Hey derpina....that's a matter of perspective, I could just as easily say that a fetus is a not a human being, and is in fact a parasite. Incapable of sustaining it's own life without taking from another.

 

[eyer]

Bullshit

Did I ask for your opinion on what you're full of?

 

[blobfish]

No, that's not what I said, you said that.

The research goes like this if you don't want to look:

People think they're going to handle temptation much better than they actually handle it. So people who feel educated and perfectly capable of handling themselves during a situation where, say, a condom breaks or they're at risk for disease, aren't as prepared as they think they are. Biochemistry compels a human to have sex, and shuts off bits of the critical thought process when hormones flood the system.

It's a reality. Being a biological imperative to reproduce, the brain has gone out of its way to provide us with both a very strong drive and a diminishing capacity to say "no" once the hormones kick in.

Lucky us.

Rapists suffer from the strong drive and being a complete douchebag who should have their bits removed.

That's not research, that's just my strong opinion.

Our laws and morals are not based on biochemistry. One's biological imperatives are not, and should not be, an easy out. It is painfully obvious that two people having sex are not acting beyond their control.

 

[blobfish]

There's quite a bit that you don't grasp.

Ok, I won't be replying to you anymore until you form an opinion for yourself.

 

[richard_daily]

Conservatives typically don't abort, liberals make up about 95% of the abortions that are performed.

In 1860, the 'right to choose' meant you could hold that another persons body belonged to you, and you had a choice of what you could do with it then too.

68.75% of statistics are made up on the spot.

 

[richard_daily]

Ok, I won't be replying to you anymore until you form an opinion for yourself.

I realize that you're scared. It's ok, I'm sure your pretend "individualism" will protect you.

 

[TexasWife25]

Well apparently it is a divorce.

Because saying "it should be our decision on whether to have this child, not just yours" is taking away the right to choose for the woman in the scenario.

Because as soon as I say "in that scenario she has the child" I say exactly that don't I?

Which is what I mean by black and white. In this scenario the man saying "we should have this child, here are the reasons why", is really just a man controlling a woman.

So its the big D and hope that someday men will be able to reproduce.

Or you could just say, there are no easy answers and simple solutions to this issue.

Yes the womans opinion takes precedent over the mans, because its her body. I know you hate hearing that, but I would feel exactly the same way were men able to carry.

You have 2 opposing views, the person who owns the body gets the ultimate say.

 

[BotanyBoy]

...you're welcome to find even one where I've championed "imposing" my thoughts on the matter on anyone else through any "tyrant" means you can hallucinate of.

Read the thread dick...you want to take the right of choice away from women, you want to deny them the option of managing their own body. You know so much better on how to manage their bodies better than they do oh wise eyer, even better than their MD's too.

So I'm just going to call you GOD since you know so fucking much. Ok God? Please give me ONE good reason/argument for NOT having abortion. Rational reason not emotional woo woo woo.

 

[Recidiva]

Our laws and morals are not based on biochemistry. One's biological imperatives are not, and should not be, an easy out. It is painfully obvious that two people having sex are not acting beyond their control.

It's not an easy out. It's just science. I don't see the value in thinking that biochemistry has nothing to do with sexuality or behavior. The law has to do with the consequences of when people can't handle their sexuality, biochemistry or behavior.

You can't just think at someone and get them pregnant. So if you're not going to enact any of your biochemical privileges, you probably won't have a problem.

 

[blobfish]

I should mention that BotanyBoy and I, while we agree on almost every issue, are a little at odds here. Abortion is the Great Wedge of the Libertarians.

 

[eyer]

Hey derpina....that's a matter of perspective, I could just as easily say that a fetus is a not a human being, and is in fact a parasite.

A human life in its most innocent and vulnerable stage of natural evolution is simply a "parasite'...

...I have no doubt that is the mask you must wear when looking in the mirror of human life to not see the actual murderer looking back.

 

[TorontoBoyWest]

Or you could just say, there are no easy answers and simple solutions to this issue.

Yes the womans opinion takes precedent over the mans, because its her body. I know you hate hearing that, but I would feel exactly the same way were men able to carry.

You have 2 opposing views, the person who owns the body gets the ultimate say.

Which is an easy copout.

But gosh darn it that man is an asshole if he decides not to stay to rub your back when you took a lifelong relationship with his child away from him.

 

[richard_daily]

A human life in its most innocent and vulnerable stage of natural evolution is simply a "parasite'...

...I have no doubt that is the mask you must wear when looking in the mirror of human life to not see the actual murderer looking back.

If you believe that he's a "murderer" it's your moral duty to do something about it.

So what are you going to do?

 

[TexasWife25]

Did I ask for your opinion on what you're full of?

You want to believe that lots of women die at the hands of abortion providers, because it plays into your own opinions. You havent provided a single link to support your ridiculous claims about deaths at the hands of planned parenthood, because their arent any.

Out of the, to use your numbers, 1 million abortions a year, I bet not even .03% of them result in the death of the woman. You started off your rant trying to say that people who oppose allowing abortions by certified professional like planned parenthood, do so because women have a higher risk of death, yet you bring nothing but your own opinion to the table to back that up.

 

[Recidiva]

Which is an easy copout.

But gosh darn it that man is an asshole if he decides not to stay to rub your back when you took a lifelong relationship with his child away from him.

You can make more than one, by the way. This isn't China.

 

[TexasWife25]

Which is an easy copout.

But gosh darn it that man is an asshole if he decides not to stay to rub your back when you took a lifelong relationship with his child away from him.

Your solution is to leave the ultimate decision in the hands of the man. Why is mine, to leave it to the woman, a copout and yours isnt?

 

[blobfish]

It's not an easy out. It's just science. I don't see the value in thinking that biochemistry has nothing to do with sexuality or behavior. The law has to do with the consequences of when people can't handle their sexuality, biochemistry or behavior.

You can't just think at someone and get them pregnant. So if you're not going to enact any of your biochemical privileges, you probably won't have a problem.

Well, neither of us will ever be able to change the other's opinion. Still, I appreciate your points, and I appreciate your amicability in disagreement.

 

[TorontoBoyWest]

Your solution is to leave the ultimate decision in the hands of the man. Why is mine, to leave it to the woman, a copout and yours isnt?

Nope. Not even close. Reading what you want to see, and not what I said.

"Our decision" is what I said.

Not mine cause I swing a big dick.

 

[Recidiva]

Well, neither of us will ever be able to change the other's opinion. Still, I appreciate your points, and I appreciate your amicability in disagreement.

Thank you. I do understand how you arrived at your opinion, and I don't think any of it is fair or easy.