Abort or die?

[blobfish]

I'm sorry but medically I don't understand "doesn't just appear in her body." It worked that way for me.

Yes, and I'm all for education. However, it's too late once it's done.

Aside from cases of immaculate conception, it does not.

I believe I heard another user state this argument. That the women should be punished for not being more careful by forcing her to give birth to a child she doesnt want.

I think that abortions should be legal up to viability. I don't believe in them personally, but I separate my beliefs from the law.

 

[eyer]

A terrible tragedy.

So are the 1+ million lives aborted for convenience year after year after year...

...but you have the ability to brush that off just as nonchalantly.

Why must you devalue human life?

 

[BotanyBoy]

<-----XY, nothing to say on the matter b/c it doesn't involve me...at all.

Don't be a tyrannical fuck nugget people...it's her choice. Unless you hate freedom/liberty and everything that M'erikuh stands for.

 

[Recidiva]

Aside from cases of immaculate conception, it does not.



I think that abortions should be legal up to viability. I don't believe in them personally, but I separate my beliefs from the law.

Well, then a man donated something that appeared in her body that made the baby appear in her body. If he didn't want a baby, he could have prevented it as well. But anybody having sex at this point should be aware that the law favors women's reproductive rights and if they don't like it, they should discuss it with the woman they're having sex with, but still respect her choices.

I believe in them in the sense that I believe in medicine and medical procedures. Pregnancy is a medical condition and it's either terminated by a medical procedure or assisted by medical assistance and intervention.

 

[TexasWife25]

I think that abortions should be legal up to viability. I don't believe in them personally, but I separate my beliefs from the law.

Ok. Youre entitled to your beliefs.

So are the 1+ million lives aborted for convenience year after year after year...

...but you have the ability to brush that off just as nonchalantly.

Why must you devalue human life?

So, .. no stats about how often accidents like the one you cited occur in PP?

 

[Liar]

Why do pro-life advocates so rarely speak of pro-life incentives? There are good reasons a country like Germany has half the abortion rate of the US.

 

[blobfish]

Well, then a man donated something that appeared in her body that made the baby appear in her body. If he didn't want a baby, he could have prevented it at well. But anybody having sex at this point should be aware that the law favors women's reproductive rights and if they don't like it, they should discuss it with the woman they're having sex with, but still respect her choices.

I believe in them in the sense that I believe in medicine and medical procedures. Pregnancy is a medical condition and it's either terminated by a medical procedure or assisted by medical assistance and intervention.

Like I said, I don't want to take away your rights. I recognize that my control of the life of an unborn child begins and ends behind my door. That said, if I was married and my wife got an abortion, I would leave her without thinking twice. It's just my personal belief.

 

[Wings]

Is there anyone here not motivated by their religious beliefs that is still pro-life? If so, can you explain to me why?

 

[BotanyBoy]

So are the 1+ million lives aborted for convenience year after year after year...

...but you have the ability to brush that off just as nonchalantly.

Why must you devalue human life?

You have no idea what conditions or reasons those abortions were under you judgmental bat shit crazy fuck, crawl out of the 30's bro....7.2 billion people on earth...we don't need them...we don't want more welfare going out...but most importantly who the fuck are you to make that call for someone else?

You don't have to deal with it, it doesn't effect you in any way shape or form.

You are just a social tyrant, hater of liberty, a fucking Nazi ready and willing to tell others how they should live their lives.

BAHAHHAA fucking twat...."LIBERTY AND FREEDOM~~~!!But only if it's my brand of it!!!" you are so full of shit eyer. I bet you are pro death penalty too aren't you?

 

[blobfish]

Is there anyone here not motivated by their religious beliefs that is still pro-life? If so, can you explain to me why?

Me. I hate abortion. To me, it's murder. I just don't see a distinction between an unborn fetus and a newborn baby.

 

[Recidiva]

Like I said, I don't want to take away your rights. I recognize that my control of the life of an unborn child begins and ends behind my door. That said, if I was married and my wife got an abortion, I would leave her without thinking twice. It's just my personal belief.

I'm not accusing you of trying to take away my rights and I'm actually not afraid that it will happen. I believe that ship has sailed and now there's mostly bickering over where the line is drawn. Most people in America can drive a state over or so to get the procedure. I don't think that's going to change other than in areas that push through laws, then the laws get pushed back after it works its way through the courts. It's philosophically a done legal deal. It has the force of medicine behind it and it's medical professionals who will ultimately control how it's done.

Unfortunately if it changes, it will only result in a black market and lower standard of care. It won't appreciably reduce the rate of abortion, it will just make it riskier to a woman's health to do so.

Okay. You have free will. She has free will.

 

[Recidiva]

Me. I hate abortion. To me, it's murder. I just don't see a distinction between an unborn fetus and a newborn baby.

Well, first off, one's bigger and can breathe. Getting it from A to B is a bit of work. It's called "labor" and a woman who either undergoes it or has a C-section is undergoing unwanted torture and/or interventional and disfiguring surgery. They're not grown in test tubes.

 

[TexasWife25]

Me. I hate abortion. To me, it's murder. I just don't see a distinction between an unborn fetus and a newborn baby.

Are you sure about that?

 

[blobfish]

Well, first off, one's bigger and can breathe. Getting it from A to B is a bit of work. It's called "labor" and a woman who either undergoes it or has a C-section is undergoing unwanted torture and/or interventional and disfiguring surgery. They're not grown in test tubes.

Unless she was raped, no one forced her to have sex. That's a cause and effect case. If you don't want the effect, don't do the cause. The fact that giving birth is painful has no relevancy to me.

 

[1sickbastard]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/25/world/americas/dominican-republic-abortion-teen/index.html?hpt=hp_t2


In the Dominican Republic "the right to life is inviolable from the moment of conception and until death."

Because life is defined as beginning at conception, they have a strict ban on all abortions. Apparently you cant even have a treatment that may save your life, if it would cause the body to miscarriage.

It's their country, their laws, their choice.

You don't have to like it and you don't have to live there either. Sucks for the women in the Dominican Republic though, even if it benefits the fetuses (fetii?) of those same women.

 

[blobfish]

Are you sure about that?

A moral distinction.

 

[eyer]

So, .. no stats about how often accidents like the one you cited occur in PP?

You want "stats" when the actual stories of the vast number of women who've died in the hands of Planned Parenthood are as easy to get a hold of as Google is to type?

Try it...

...and then come back with your next deflection.

 

[Recidiva]

Unless she was raped, no one forced her to have sex. That's a cause and effect case. If you don't want the effect, don't do the cause. The fact that giving birth is painful has no relevancy to me.

Yes, and you think of this in entirely theoretical terms. For women it's much more of a practical and completely transformative event in your life and body.

So those of us who have to deal with all of those "irrelevant" details do have something to say about it.

 

[TexasWife25]

It's their country, their laws, their choice.

You don't have to like it and you don't have to live there either. Sucks for the women in the Dominican Republic though, even if it benefits the fetuses (fetii?) of those same women.

Yup, its their laws, I dont get a vote on it and I am grateful I dont live there, but that doesnt mean I cant find the story interesting.

 

[TorontoBoyWest]

Is there anyone here not motivated by their religious beliefs that is still pro-life? If so, can you explain to me why?

I don't think those people exist.

If they did, they would certainly be a minority, and you would never hear them over the cries of the religious.

 

[eyer]

You have no idea what conditions or reasons those abortions were under you judgmental bat shit crazy fuck, crawl out of the 30's bro....7.2 billion people on earth...we don't need them...

F' off, stoner...

...your value for human life is about as deep as your next bowlful.

 

[blobfish]

Yes, and you think of this in entirely theoretical terms. For women it's much more of a practical and completely transformative event in your life and body.

So those of us who have to deal with all of those "irrelevant" details do have something to say about it.

Yeah, I feel bad for women who have made mistakes. I understand that she didn't intend to get pregnant. But if she's had sex without taking the appropriate precautions, she knew what would happen, and she should live up to her mistakes rather than choosing to take the easiest and most convenient path.

Also, please don't turn this into a sexism issue. This has nothing to do with women's rights. It's about the child.

 

[BotanyBoy]

F' off, stoner...

...your value for human life is about as deep as your next bowlful.

That's the ONLY thing you've got..."Stoner!! stoner!! wooo stoner!!" I bet you went and saw the original reefer madness flick and bought it didn't you? hahahaha like I said get over the 30's old man it's 2012.

Yea....DUH if a child isn't going to be cherished and raised properly, we don't need them. Way to many people as it is why would you want another leech bleeding the system? You do know planet earth can only support 10-12 billion right? we are at 7.2 right now...how many more unwanted/neglected children do you think we need?

but but but stfu...you're argument is fucking lame. You wish to impose your personal buuuuuuushit on other people you fucking tyrant.

 

[TorontoBoyWest]

Yeah, I feel bad for women who have made mistakes. I understand that she didn't intend to get pregnant. But if she's had sex without taking the appropriate precautions, she knew what would happen, and she should live up to her mistakes rather than choosing to take the easiest and most convenient path.

Also, please don't turn this into a sexism issue. This has nothing to do with women's rights. It's about the child.

I think in certain circumstances there is more then just one person involved in the decision. And it is unfortunate that it is looked at in such black and white terms.

 

[TexasWife25]

You want "stats" when the actual stories of the vast number of women who've died in the hands of Planned Parenthood are as easy to get a hold of as Google is to type?

Try it...

...and then come back with your next deflection.

You dont want to provide any stats because you and I both know, death from abortion is beyond rare, and I bet in the last 10 years, less then 10 women have died from receiving an abortion at planned parenthood.