What happened to all of the doom and gloom economic threads?

[4est_4est_Gump]

No, but I'll get a copy.

Recommendations are always appreciated.

I began reading Hesse back in the 80's from a reading list given to me by one of my mentors; this was a particularly interesting piece of Literature to me, and I saw what he was writing about a decade later when I did actually take up the challenge to return to college and get my degree as one of those rites (note libs, not RIGHTS) of the gentleman-warrior.

I was reading him in parallel with Kafka, Tolstoi and Dostoevski...

It was about the time that I was getting uneasy with the Democrat Party and learning about the Libertarians.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It's an analogy.. go find a book and look up the definition.

Education requires (1) facilities, equipment, and highly skilled instructors, no matter the field of study. All of that costs money. I haven't lost anything Cap'n, you're making a detour into one of your 'Socialism!' rants though.

My degree? I have a B.S. in Computer Engineering Technology - Networking. I'm carrying a half dozen certifications from MS and Cisco and getting ready to move into a consulting gig for the company I've worked with for over 22 years now. edit- Who, by the way, paid for a majority of my educational needs.

So of course I know absolutely nothing about the cost requirements of getting a college degree.

No, it does not. You make the same mistake as Petey, as your degree field also displays by conflating job skills with "education." Education is free at the Library. Most of the greatest instructors are already dead and buried and were not influenced by the publish or perish mentality that currently leaves educators focused on everything but their students. I think maybe a read of Magistre Ludi would also be of a great benefit to a closed "capitalistic*" mind such as yours.

If someone else is paying for it, then you really don't have an idea of "what it costs."




* as in regards to my remarks to Petey about De Tocqueville and the bottom line.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I began reading Hesse back in the 80's from a reading list given to me by one of my mentors; this was a particularly interesting piece of Literature to me, and I saw what he was writing about a decade later when I did actually take up the challenge to return to college and get my degree as one of those rites (note libs, not RIGHTS) of the gentleman-warrior.

I was reading him in parallel with Kafka, Tolstoi and Dostoevski...

It was about the time that I was getting uneasy with the Democrat Party and learning about the Libertarians.

Found a copy online. Thanks!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Found a copy online. Thanks!

You are very welcome.

I enjoy being in the company of those who enjoy a little education.



Of course, that is not to say that those other clowns do not have some entertainment value...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

U_D, use your education to tell us about the promised 5% unemployment leading into Obama's reelection...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I graduated all kinds of schools: Military, technical, college & grad school, plus numberless seminars.

The 3 I esteem the most are 1. My sheet metal apprenticeship, 2. Edward de Bonos LATERAL THINKING, and 3. Bandler-Grinders Neuro-linguistic Programming.

The most useless efforts were: Seminars, and college beyond the general education requirements. College was an expensive time waster.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You are very welcome.

I enjoy being in the company of those who enjoy a little education.



Of course, that is not to say that those other clowns do not have some entertainment value...

Recommendations from zealots are usually a bulls-eye! in terms of benefits.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

No, it does not. You make the same mistake as Petey, as your degree field also displays by conflating job skills with "education." Education is free at the Library. Most of the greatest instructors are already dead and buried and were not influenced by the publish or perish mentality that currently leaves educators focused on everything but their students. I think maybe a read of Magistre Ludi would also be of a great benefit to a closed "capitalistic*" mind such as yours.

If someone else is paying for it, then you really don't have an idea of "what it costs."




* as in regards to my remarks to Petey about De Tocqueville and the bottom line.

*laugh*
It's you who is mistaken Cap'n. You can certainly educate yourself at the library. But try landing a job with a self taught degree in the Dewey decimal system.

"Do you want fries with that?"

And by the by:
I know exactly "what is costs" because my company paid for the classes by way of tuition reimbursement. Which means that I paid up front for my courses, they reimbursed tuition costs to me (tuition only) when I completed the semester with passing grades (in my case a 3.85 GPA). I'm also putting my daughter through college. So again, I know exactly "what it costs". I took out a loan against my 401k to cover the first semester and text books.

You're making ASSumptions, again. Nothing new here, you've been making the very same mistake since I first started posting here.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

U_D, use your education to tell us about the promised 5% unemployment leading into Obama's reelection...

What part of B.S. in CET-Networking leads you to believe that I was an economics major?

But I'll take a stab at it.

Nobody knew exactly how bad it was when those promises were made. It was beyond belief that 8 years of "Conservative" economic leadership and rampant deregulation could decimate the economy so completely.
Given the pile of shit left to this President I'd say he's done a fairly good job of pushing recovery despite the foot-dragging of the "do nothing" right.

 

[Disgustipated]

I'd just like to point out that Petey ruined A_J The Stoopid this morning.

spit!

 

[garbage can]

What part of B.S. in CET-Networking leads you to believe that I was an economics major?

But I'll take a stab at it.

Nobody knew exactly how bad it was when those promises were made. It was beyond belief that 8 years of "Conservative" economic leadership and rampant deregulation could decimate the economy so completely.
Given the pile of shit left to this President I'd say he's done a fairly good job of pushing recovery despite the foot-dragging of the "do nothing" right.

The Dems won both houses of congress in the election of 2006, they held it till 2010.

Yet none of the Dems knew the economy was much much worse than Obama expected.

Obama is a serial liar.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The Dems won both houses of congress in the election of 2006, they held it till 2010.

Yet none of the Dems knew the economy was much much worse than Obama expected.

Obama is a serial liar.

How does this add up?

 

[mercury14]

Yeah!

The Summer of Recovery!!!


(Of course it might be due to falling gas prices, falling because speculators lost confidence in the economy...)

There you go again. It's a bad thing when the price of gas goes up - and also a bad thing when it goes down. Obama is always a fault for screwing things up even when things go well. Spin it AJ, SPIN IT!

 

[mercury14]

Once they decide something is true, there is no dissuasion...

You went to a really shitty university. Try getting a real education and then posting back here.

 

[fair_warning]

...Education is free at the Library....

No, you're confused. Information is free at the library. Education is something else.

 

[mercury14]

How does this add up?

It's just that far over our heads.

 

[mercury14]

No, you're confused. Information is free at the library. Education is something else.

Nobody is surprised that AJ doesn't know what education is.

Not to mention... Libraries aren't free.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

*laugh*
It's you who is mistaken Cap'n. You can certainly educate yourself at the library. But try landing a job with a self taught degree in the Dewey decimal system.

"Do you want fries with that?"

And by the by:
I know exactly "what is costs" because my company paid for the classes by way of tuition reimbursement. Which means that I paid up front for my courses, they reimbursed tuition costs to me (tuition only) when I completed the semester with passing grades (in my case a 3.85 GPA). I'm also putting my daughter through college. So again, I know exactly "what it costs". I took out a loan against my 401k to cover the first semester and text books.

You're making ASSumptions, again. Nothing new here, you've been making the very same mistake since I first started posting here.

Let me see. I paid knowing that I would get all my money back therefore I know how much it costs in dollars, but not in actual sacrifice to get ahead which goes straight to my observation of free money. More than one of my teachers told me, "Never teach for free, people do not appreciate it."

As for your other point, it prove that you continue to conflate vocation with education. In America, people study for a vocation and then apply that "education" to everything in their lives, but it is still not an education, it is a vocation and it leads to many errors in thinking such as the one I just pointed out, you, or the college graduate who cannot find work despite all the most expensive and expansive technology, actually have no idea as to the cost of their "free" education to the rest of us.

Additionally, with the rapidly evolving nature of computing and technology, what little (if any) actual job skills imparted by a "college education," are soon gone. For example, even as I was dispersing my clients' information from the mainframe and workstations to a smart PC network, the college was still teaching me Modula II on a mainframe with dumb terminals assuring me that no programmer in his/her right mind would use C+ on a real-world job...

An education goes well beyond one's vocation, and I would strongly urge you to find the time to go and acquire one beginning with economics.

 

[fair_warning]

Nobody is surprised that AJ doesn't know what education is.

Not to mention... Libraries aren't free.

Well, my local library is free to join and to have a certain number of books issued.You can even walk into most University libraries to read the books, but having them issued requires student or alumni id.

However, you're right, ultimately we all pay for these libraries through our taxes.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

What part of B.S. in CET-Networking leads you to believe that I was an economics major?

But I'll take a stab at it.

Nobody knew exactly how bad it was when those promises were made. It was beyond belief that 8 years of "Conservative" economic leadership and rampant deregulation could decimate the economy so completely.
Given the pile of shit left to this President I'd say he's done a fairly good job of pushing recovery despite the foot-dragging of the "do nothing" right.

See, there you go, not comprehending because of your vocational training. I said your "education" not your study of economics which I clearly can see by now, that you have never, ever undertaken on any level.

Rampant deregulation is just a demagogic tool designed to illicit an emotional response, and after all, that is what Praxeology is all about and even a rudimentary examination of the subject would tell you that when your leadership is openly disdainful of the business community seeking to denigrate and control them that you are never going to have a confident, robust business community and at this point the onus would be upon yourself to come up with an explanation of why, in the past, the worse the recession the better the recovery, for I have endeavored, at length to explain to you the current circumstance is due to current circumstances, not anything in the past, or in the future. Even as we speak, Obama is railing against the business community on a daily basis. WHo the hell in their right mind is going to invest in that?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Well, my local library is free to join and to have a certain number of books issued.You can even walk into most University libraries to read the books, but having them issued requires student or alumni id.

However, you're right, ultimately we all pay for these libraries through our taxes.

Not only that, but the number of libraries we finance well into the electronic age; each grade school, middle school, and high school have one. I have often wondered would we not be better off building one huge school to contain all centered around the local public library rather than dispersing them hither and yon throughout the community. Hell, thanks to Judge Clark, where I grew up, we already had to have an extensive bussing system.



Now all morning and afternoon long, you see busses scurrying here and there, working staggered schedules and running the same routes three times.

It seems a terrible waste of money...

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Let me see. I paid knowing that I would get all my money back therefore I know how much it costs in dollars, but not in actual sacrifice to get ahead which goes straight to my observation of free money. More than one of my teachers told me, "Never teach for free, people do not appreciate it."

As for your other point, it prove that you continue to conflate vocation with education. In America, people study for a vocation and then apply that "education" to everything in their lives, but it is still not an education, it is a vocation and it leads to many errors in thinking such as the one I just pointed out, you, or the college graduate who cannot find work despite all the most expensive and expansive technology, actually have no idea as to the cost of their "free" education to the rest of us.

Additionally, with the rapidly evolving nature of computing and technology, what little (if any) actual job skills imparted by a "college education," are soon gone. For example, even as I was dispersing my clients' information from the mainframe and workstations to a smart PC network, the college was still teaching me Modula II on a mainframe with dumb terminals assuring me that no programmer in his/her right mind would use C+ on a real-world job...

An education goes well beyond one's vocation, and I would strongly urge you to find the time to go and acquire one beginning with economics.

As usual you're completely ignoring the fact that I not only put myself through college and got a degree but that I'm also putting my daughter through college simply because it doesn't fit your narrative. By all means, teach your daughter that she's better off to educate herself at the library for "free" (it's not), I'll continue to encourage mine to get her degree at a University.

If you ever actually worked in the computer field then you should have known that you were committing yourself to a lifetime of learning to keep up with evolving technology. I don't find it at all surprising that you quit for a "more fulfilling" career path since you seem to eschew formal education.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Nobody is surprised that AJ doesn't know what education is.

Not to mention... Libraries aren't free.

You know, I consistently forget was it Yale you started at and Harvard you finished at, or vice versa?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

As usual you're completely ignoring the fact that I not only put myself through college and got a degree but that I'm also putting my daughter through college simply because it doesn't fit your narrative. By all means, teach your daughter that she's better off to educate herself at the library for "free" (it's not), I'll continue to encourage mine to get her degree at a University.

If you still worked in the computer field then you should have known that you were committing yourself to a lifetime of learning to keep up with evolving technology. I don't find it at all surprising that you quit for a "more fulfilling" career path since you seem to eschew formal education.

No, as you stated, you boss is paying for your vocational training.

You also, and your daughter are not doing that sans grants, and that was the original generator of this particular sub-discussion, free money driving college costs. Even the loans are virtually free if you are clever about it, making token payments, requesting deferments, and waiting out your 25 year grace period.

As for "committing myself," as we all well know, I was working in the computer field long before I went to college and as I just alluded too, by necessity, the university is always a step behind what is going on in the field itself with its head in the clouds of theory.

I "committed myself to a lifetime of learning" many years ago, but educationally, not vocationally which is why I simply do not confuse the two in the way that you do.

Plus, I paid cash out of my own pocket for my "vocational" training.

As for formal education, I am not the one content to stop at a Bachelor's...

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Tell this kid that you "need" college for an education...





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