Huntsman calls for third party

[JackLuis]

Huntsman calls for third party: ‘The system is broken’

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System, this is a system? One side puts up a bunch of flaming lunatics and the other puts up a Liar, both sides supported by the 1%, and this is a system?

Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman on Thursday expressed his disillusionment with the dominance of the Republican and Democratic parties in American politics.

“We need campaign finance reform,” he said during an appearance on MSNBC. “The system is broken. We need term limits. We need something to compete against a duopoly that is getting old and tired.”

 

[Ishmael]

"Campaign Finance Reform"?????????? This is what the clown thinks the problem is???????

This guy starts out with a fairly sound premise, ie. a third way is needed to hold the dominant parties feet to the fire and then spouts campaign finance reform?????

What is needed is a complete overhaul of ALL of the states registration and qualification laws. A sound party can only be built from the grass roots level, it's not going to be done by leveling the playing field for national level whores.

Ishmael

 

[TexasWife25]

I thought the whole interview with him was interesting. He seems to genuinely understand the flaws in the GOP and the disconnect from the moderate base and the elected officials.

 

[JackLuis]

There may well be a Republican who is not a Lunatic, but the "Party" is using propaganda instead of realistic pragmatism to get elected.

Probably because the realistic pragmatic policy is to start jailing the largest Republican Donors for financial fraud.

 

[Ishmael]

There may well be a Republican who is not a Lunatic, but the "Party" is using propaganda instead of realistic pragmatism to get elected.

Probably because the realistic pragmatic policy is to start jailing the largest Republican Donors for financial fraud.

Pragmatism is in the eyes of the beholder. The choice is now liberty or state controlled everything. Make your decision and place your bet.

Ishmael

 

[eyer]

The choice is now liberty or state controlled everything. Make your decision and place your bet.

Ishmael

Truly and finally realized that very fact and made my choice on December 7, 2005...

...and have been living all-in on the side of individual liberty since April 14, 2008.

Let patriot games begin...



Oh, yeah...

...John who?

 

[JackLuis]

Santorum: Obama ‘in bed with Muslim Brotherhood’

How fucked stupid is that?

Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum says that President Barack Obama was “willing to jump in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood” and throw former dictator Hosni Mubarak “under the bus” during Egypt’s 2011 revolution.

Speaking to Fox News host Greta Van Susteren on Wednesday, the former Pennsylvania senator warned that the president had not done enough to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.

Santorum just proved his credentials as a man who will say anything to get elected, but he may be dumb enough to believe it.

 

[Wrong Element]

Isn't it a little strange for someone who has endorsed one of the current major party candidates to simultaneously call for a third party?

Huntsman may be angling for the Americans Elect nomination.

 

[1sickbastard]

Campaing finance reform and term limits, while sorely needed, won't creat an environment needed to sustain a viable multi-party system beyond the two party system we have.

This is a systemic flaw, caused by the 'winner take all' method of awarding electoral victories. A state votes 49% for a particular presidential candiate, why should that candidate take ALL of the electoral votes?
Same thing on a distirct level, which is the important level to make a third party viable

 

[John Doe]

Isn't it a little strange for someone who has endorsed one of the current major party candidates to simultaneously call for a third party?

Huntsman may be angling for the Americans Elect nomination.

LATEST NEWS: Huntsman on the two parties: "This duopoly is tired and we're stuck in a rut"

Five.

 

[Liar]

Campaing finance reform and term limits, while sorely needed, won't creat an environment needed to sustain a viable multi-party system beyond the two party system we have.

This is a systemic flaw, caused by the 'winner take all' method of awarding electoral victories. A state votes 49% for a particular presidential candiate, why should that candidate take ALL of the electoral votes?
Same thing on a distirct level, which is the important level to make a third party viable

District level as you say, and congress is the big problem imo. You have the same system there. Every state and district choose their one representative and two senators in winner-takes-all. In times of polarization in politics, it rewards and deepens polarization. And so on.

Especially since voter turnout is relatively low. You end up with candidates banking on that if they energize their base they'll win. And their base elects not someone to represent the district, but to represent them. The minority opinion is never represented.

The whole sytstem made sense I guess when geographic location was a thing that mattered. But today, we see representatives not representing the local interrests of Florida 27 or New York 12 or whatever, but engaging in national ideology trench warfare. Amd maybe they should. But then the composition of that legislative body should be representative of the national popular opinion. Which it definitely isn't.

Would make the "third party" idea moot. You'd have a third, fourth and fifth party let into the play pen.

 

[1sickbastard]

District level as you say, and congress is the big problem imo. You have the same system there. Every state and district choose their one representative and two senators in winner-takes-all. In times of polarization in politics, it rewards and deepens polarization. And so on.

Especially since voter turnout is relatively low. You end up with candidates banking on that if they energize their base they'll win. And their base elects not someone to represent the district, but to represent them. The minority opinion is never represented.

The whole sytstem made sense I guess when geographic location was a thing that mattered. But today, we see representatives not representing the local interrests of Florida 27 or New York 12 or whatever, but engaging in national ideology trench warfare. Amd maybe they should. But then the composition of that legislative body should be representative of the national popular opinion. Which it definitely isn't.

Would make the "third party" idea moot. You'd have a third, fourth and fifth party let into the play pen.

All true, and we would end up with true multi-party system instead of a two party system. But one of the interesting side effects it that it would encourage the more radical elements to spliter off into their own parties. And the major parties would have a clearer focus, as opposed to being all things to all people on their particular side of the spectrum.
Toss is term limits and campaing finance reform, and we'd clear up the current mess, replacing it with an entirely new mess.

BUt I'd be willing to give it a shot.

 

[Liar]

All true, and we would end up with true multi-party system instead of a two party system. But one of the interesting side effects it that it would encourage the more radical elements to spliter off into their own parties. And the major parties would have a clearer focus, as opposed to being all things to all people on their particular side of the spectrum.
Toss is term limits and campaing finance reform, and we'd clear up the current mess, replacing it with an entirely new mess.

BUt I'd be willing to give it a shot.

The thing about democracy, beloveds, is that it is not neat, orderly, or quiet. It requires a certain relish for confusion.
-Molly Ivins

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

When irrelevant pols bleat for 3rd parties it means theyre irrelevant.

 

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[richard_daily]

What's hilarious, is the "not-republicans" ishmale and veteman are criticizing someone who is promoting something that would be in line with what they profess to believe... of course, what they profess is complete bullshit, which should be pretty clear by this point.

 

[VoteForMe]

If I run as a third party candidate can I have a third term? That seems fair, dudn't it?

 

[unregistered]

 

[unregistered]

 

[TexasWife25]

I'm old enough to remember the debacle of Ross Perot and his third party failure son. It gave us the notorious fuck up Bill Clinton. In this environment a third party vote is a vote for Obama.

You dont like the idea of a 3rd party candidate? Or you dont like the idea, in this specific election?

Also, I think a 3rd party candidate would be HUGELY detrimental to Obama. He is already on thin ice with independent voters. A moderate 3rd party candidate, if he plays his cards right, would really be pulling Obama voters more then those who normally vote Republican.

 

[unregistered]

 

[VoteForMe]

Iggy Rob's alt.

Is that one of those dot com things?

 

[Liar]

I'm old enough to remember the debacle of Ross Perot and his third party failure son. It gave us the notorious fuck up Bill Clinton. In this environment a third party vote is a vote for Obama.

That's because the system is not designed for third parties. It must be coupled with a revamped election process.

You had Perot siphoning off Republican votes, just like you had Nader doing the same on the left a few years later. Different voting mechanics, for instance multiple rounds until you have a 50%+ winner, would solve that.

A logistic nightmare in a big country. But who said democracy should be easy?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Does Hunstman want a new third party to the right or to the left of the Pubs? Probably the latter, I should think; but only the former has any chance of happening, at least as a result of an exodus from the GOP.

 

[VoteForMe]

Does Hunstman want a new third party to the right or to the left of the Pubs? Probably the latter, I should think; but only the former has any chance of happening, at least as a result of an exodus from the GOP.

Can't we all just get along. Remember after they hit the towers we were all just one big party? That was cool. I got to stand on top of the pile.