Does the birth control debate...

[ChinaBandit]

The Catholic Church makes the issue of conscious choice absurd though. They teach that recreational sex even within marriage is wrong and sinful. The expectation for married couples who deeply love each other and are attracted to one another... to abstain while also not ever masturbating makes no sense. Saying that sex is a conscious choice and people should just say no even within marriage shows ignorance of so many things.

Catholic faith may not appeal to many but that doesn't mean it is illegit for those who wish to practice according to their own beliefs. As a religious organization, the church should not be forced to embrace something that is against those beliefs. Violation of religious freedom is a valid position on this issue.

 

[phrodeau]

Catholic faith may not appeal to many but that doesn't mean it is illegit for those who wish to practice according to their own beliefs. As a religious organization, the church should not be forced to embrace something that is against those beliefs. Violation of religious freedom is a valid position on this issue.

They can stop providing insurance coverage altogether. That's their option.

 

[mercury14]

Catholic faith may not appeal to many but that doesn't mean it is illegit for those who wish to practice according to their own beliefs. As a religious organization, the church should not be forced to embrace something that is against those beliefs. Violation of religious freedom is a valid position on this issue.

It's simply no employer's business what prescription a woman gets from her doctor, period. Birth control pills are used for a ton of reasons other than birth control and no employer has any right at all to tamper with their employee's private medical care.

Listen, the Church does not think birth control pills are sinful because inanimate objects can't sin. They can teach all they want about how 99.9% of MARITAL sex is immoral and try to talk their flock into believing the same But that teaching requires absolutely no tampering with a woman's medical appointments.

After all, they have no problem going about their religion while providing male employees 100% coverage for vasectomies.

 

[CHNOPS]

i'll say it.

the rest of the western world thinks you're fucking insane, suffering some bible induced retardation, with little or no respect for the rights of the individual (whilst screaming at the top of your lungs that you're the freest and the bestest).

but, as individuals, some of you are super neato cool

That was nice of you to fit me in at the end there.

 

[ChinaBandit]

It's simply no employer's business what prescription a woman gets from her doctor, period. Birth control pills are used for a ton of reasons other than birth control and no employer has any right at all to tamper with their employee's private medical care.

Listen, the Church does not think birth control pills are sinful because inanimate objects can't sin. They can teach all they want about how 99.9% of MARITAL sex is immoral and try to talk their flock into believing the same But that teaching requires absolutely no tampering with a woman's medical appointments.

After all, they have no problem going about their religion while providing male employees 100% coverage for vasectomies.

I'm not going to disagree beyond this, and that is your employer constantly tampers with your health care as they juggle providers, co-payments, what's covered under dental, and so on. There is no escaping your employers ever ending search to pay less and, by default, offer less. So, I am stuck with shitty mental health care or great out-of-pocket expense.

 

[Peregrinator]

Ah yes, mental health parity. It was opposed by Republicans for 20 years (even in the face of overwhelming support from Americans!) but they were finally defeated. Obama's new health care law is fixing it. You still have 22 months though

Finally!

 

[mercury14]

Finally!

So you're going to stop acting like that now?

 

[Peregrinator]

I'm not going to disagree beyond this, and that is your employer constantly tampers with your health care as they juggle providers, co-payments, what's covered under dental, and so on. There is no escaping your employers ever ending search to pay less and, by default, offer less. So, I am stuck with shitty mental health care or great out-of-pocket expense.

This is an example of what's been wrong with the system all along. It's not doctors or other health professionals making decisions for patients. It's corporate profits.

 

[Peregrinator]

So you're going to stop acting like that now?

You can't make me take my meds!

 

[mercury14]

I'm not going to disagree beyond this, and that is your employer constantly tampers with your health care as they juggle providers, co-payments, what's covered under dental, and so on. There is no escaping your employers ever ending search to pay less and, by default, offer less. So, I am stuck with shitty mental health care or great out-of-pocket expense.

Your employer doesn't interfere within the context of a personal session based upon the owner's religious beliefs.

 

[ChinaBandit]

I just took a clonazepam (about $3.00 per pill), hopefully I'll feel better about all this in 20 minutes...

 

[mercury14]

Besides, your employer doesn't change your doctor. They change your insurance provider. And the law makes it very clear that insurance providers have every right to tamper with your prescription drug coverage.

 

[mercury14]

This is an example of what's been wrong with the system all along. It's not doctors or other health professionals making decisions for patients. It's corporate profits.

You can add bishops to that list if they have their way.

 

[Peregrinator]

You can add bishops to that list if they have their way.

In a way, I'm more sympathetic to the bishops. If I had real, deep, religious conviction that something was a sin, I'd work against it also. I have zero respect for people having to be sick or inconvenienced because some shareholder's profits are more important.

 

[mercury14]

In a way, I'm more sympathetic to the bishops. If I had real, deep, religious conviction that something was a sin, I'd work against it also. I have zero respect for people having to be sick or inconvenienced because some shareholder's profits are more important.

Commie.

 

[Ishmael]

In a way, I'm more sympathetic to the bishops. If I had real, deep, religious conviction that something was a sin, I'd work against it also. I have zero respect for people having to be sick or inconvenienced because some shareholder's profits are more important.

Another idiot joins the chorus. Who pays? It's really that simple, who pays?

Ishmael

 

[blunt_trauma]

i wonder how much maternity leave costs.

 

[unregistered]

 

[Peregrinator]

Blark! Moneymoneymoneymoneymoneymoney! Blarkblarkblark!

Ishmael

There's no higher good, is there, Ish? If it means you have to pay a couple extra pennies, you're agin it. That's obvious.

Me. I pay. You. You pay. The choir boy who responded to you above about being in love with a wall. He pays.

I have zero issue with paying taxes in order to obtain or maintain a healthy citizenry. I have a huge issue with having some accountant at an insurance company decide anything at all to do with my health care. I happen to think that good overall health is good for the republic. It's kinda like national defense that way. Would you also defund the CDC along with all the other useless government agencies, so we can have the profit motive be in charge of epidemiology as well?

 

[Ishmael]

i wonder how much maternity leave costs.

Another bad idea that should be done away with.

Ishmael

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I avoid criticizing Americans as much as possible. Canadians and Americans are close cousins and have enjoyed a mutually beneficial friendship.

But I have to admit that there are some discussions that happen in the US that don't happen here.

We understand that abortion is a hot button issue. We aren't immune to it.
But birth control? That's not controversial. We teach it in schools.

What we don't teach in schools is Creationism. Or Intelligent Design.
And we have more guns per capita than the US (look it up), but they are all long guns. We generally don't own fully automatic rifles or handguns, because the former ruins the venison, and the latter lets the venison get away.

Canadians eat shit. Its what they do. Canada is a 3rd World Socialist daycare for grownups and retreat for terrorists.

 

[ChinaBandit]

Besides, your employer doesn't change your doctor. They change your insurance provider. And the law makes it very clear that insurance providers have every right to tamper with your prescription drug coverage.

If your employer moves to an insurance company operating in circle fashion you can be forced to change physicians or pay the differential out-of-pocket.

 

[Ishmael]

There's no higher good, is there, Ish? If it means you have to pay a couple extra pennies, you're agin it. That's obvious.

Me. I pay. You. You pay. The choir boy who responded to you above about being in love with a wall. He pays.

I have zero issue with paying taxes in order to obtain or maintain a healthy citizenry. I have a huge issue with having some accountant at an insurance company decide anything at all to do with my health care. I happen to think that good overall health is good for the republic. It's kinda like national defense that way. Would you also defund the CDC along with all the other useless government agencies, so we can have the profit motive be in charge of epidemiology as well?

It's not pennies idiot. Apparently you can neither count, nor learn from history/observation. Pardon for the redundant question, of course you can't, you've shown no history of learning much at all. Great at 'suck up' though.

You happen to think very little, actually not much at all. Oh, you read shit, but you don't think, you parrot. You're shallower than Walden's Pond. Interesting that hadn't Thoreau gone to jail none of us would have ever been subjected to reading that tripe. But he did have one thing right, "No man should be subjected to taxation for that which he is morally objected to." EVER.

I'm not really interested in your 'moral relativism', nor your financial relativism either. Both of which are on the path of indenturing my progeny forever. I should write a new monograph to companion Snyder's "A Nation of Cowards", it will be entitled, "A Nation of Slaves."

Ishmael

 

[butters]

 

[mark197205]

Another bad idea that should be done away with.

Ishmael

How dare those uppity women expect to be treated fairly!