Slut as a lifestyle.

[richard_daily]

heh heh heh

I wonder...that statement really makes think. It's odd that TMWFM and I don't go out very often, yet If he snaps his fingers I'm there on my knees. I'd do anything sexually with and for this man. I adore him to pieces and I don't care "what he does for me".

That's the nature of your relationship...

In your case, it sounds like you have different people to fulfill different things that you want.

I've been there, and have had a great time doing it...

It does tend to be a lot of management though... at least if you're handling a small harem of subs. I'm not sure what it's like on the other side.

 

[redheadedtxn]

That's the nature of your relationship...

In your case, it sounds like you have different people to fulfill different things that you want.

I've been there, and have had a great time doing it...

It does tend to be a lot of management though... at least if you're handling a small harem of subs. I'm not sure what it's like on the other side.

TMWFM only has me. I know this to be fact.

Time management, man, I can't imagine dealing with more than one sub.

 

[richard_daily]

TMWFM only has me. I know this to be fact.

Time management, man, I can't imagine dealing with more than one sub.

It's a lot of fucking work!

I think I deserve a medal.


Or at least a bunch of blowjobs.

 

[Saint Peter]

I'm not wearing those spike heels you like while I mow.

Wear something sensible.

The dog plays for keeps in the backyard.

 

[evesdream]

I know a bit more about it than you would imagine.

If you hated yourself when you were doing it was not the right job for you and maybe you were in a situation where you figured that out. Doesn't mean you have it figured out for every other woman.

No. Sex is wonderful and fun and sometimes boring and safe and sometimes edgy and freaky and all kinds of awesome.

I'm a bit confused about your conflation of slavery and waitressing.

I was referring to your completely bizarre statements about employment and victim hood. Despite what you say about sex being wonderful and weird, you still compare sex workers to victimized waitresses (your words). You're still not making sense.

Yes I agree, pick any industry, employees might have power, but they don't have all of the control. You were talking about victim hood though. That's the confusing part.

Yes. I joined Lit when I was 5. Don't tell Laurel and Manu.

Aw, super cute!

 

[Fabala]

If you hated yourself when you were doing it was not the right job for you and maybe you were in a situation where you figured that out. Doesn't mean you have it figured out for every other woman.

I'm sorry, where did I say anything about hate? I have never hated myself.

I've also never confused "work" with "control".

I was referring to your completely bizarre statements about employment and victim hood. Despite what you say about sex being wonderful and weird, you still compare sex workers to victimized waitresses (your words). You're still not making sense.

Then you're very dim.

Service = service.

I do not care if someone is servicing others with sex or mowing the lawn or changing the oil in the car. They are still getting paid to perform a service and are necessarily marginalized in the process.

And no matter how much that grease monkey (since you're obviously irritated by my use of waitresses as an example) loves to tinker with cars in the garage, or how much devotion he shows to his perfectly maintained bored out 55 Chevy, when he's working? It's still just a job. He doesn't give a shit about your individual car any more than you give a shit about him as a human being.

He performs the service and wanders off to wash his hands while you pay and leave without ever thinking of him again til your oil needs changed.

Again. Since you clearly missed it the other billion times. I do not have a single moral or ethical issue with someone getting paid for sex. It's the "I hold all the cards" that just seems so silly. I want to know if she'd feel the same sense of "control" and "card holding" if she was a waitress or a mechanic or a maid.

Yes I agree, pick any industry, employees might have power, but they don't have all of the control. You were talking about victim hood though. That's the confusing part.

I was responding to her statement that in the past she's been a victim, but now somehow, she's in control. And her implication that the control she believes she has is related to the fact that she now gets paid for what - previously - had made her a victim.

If that's not what she meant, fine. But it's sure what it sounded like. And it's silly.

 

[Saint Peter]

The next time you need your brakes done it is going to cost you a cock sucking. Maybe even a cock sucking with a finger in my ass if it needs extra parts.

 

[redheadedtxn]

It's a lot of fucking work!

I think I deserve a medal.


Or at least a bunch of blowjobs.

You would be fun to blow

I'm sorry, where did I say anything about hate? I have never hated myself.

I've also never confused "work" with "control".




Then you're very dim.

Service = service.

I do not care if someone is servicing others with sex or mowing the lawn or changing the oil in the car. They are still getting paid to perform a service and are necessarily marginalized in the process.

And no matter how much that grease monkey (since you're obviously irritated by my use of waitresses as an example) loves to tinker with cars in the garage, or how much devotion he shows to his perfectly maintained bored out 55 Chevy, when he's working? It's still just a job. He doesn't give a shit about your individual car any more than you give a shit about him as a human being.

He performs the service and wanders off to wash his hands while you pay and leave without ever thinking of him again til your oil needs changed.

Again. Since you clearly missed it the other billion times. I do not have a single moral or ethical issue with someone getting paid for sex. It's the "I hold all the cards" that just seems so silly. I want to know if she'd feel the same sense of "control" and "card holding" if she was a waitress or a mechanic or a maid.



I was responding to her statement that in the past she's been a victim, but now somehow, she's in control. And her implication that the control she believes she has is related to the fact that she now gets paid for what - previously - had made her a victim.

If that's not what she meant, fine. But it's sure what it sounded like. And it's silly.

(in my best scooby-doo voice) Huh?

Listen, if it wasn't right for you, then it wasn't right for you. I don't hold any judgment of that. I don't judge people who work in slaughterhouses murdering defenseless animals so that Fat America can consume animal flesh.

I'm clearly not a victim in any way.

Everyone has been a victim at one time or another, for one reason or another.

I like what I like, I don't expect everyone else to like what I like, nor would I ever be bold enough to make a blanket psychoanalysis on Every Woman based on some experience I had.

 

[richard_daily]

I'm sorry, where did I say anything about hate? I have never hated myself.

I've also never confused "work" with "control".




Then you're very dim.

Service = service.

I do not care if someone is servicing others with sex or mowing the lawn or changing the oil in the car. They are still getting paid to perform a service and are necessarily marginalized in the process.

And no matter how much that grease monkey (since you're obviously irritated by my use of waitresses as an example) loves to tinker with cars in the garage, or how much devotion he shows to his perfectly maintained bored out 55 Chevy, when he's working? It's still just a job. He doesn't give a shit about your individual car any more than you give a shit about him as a human being.

He performs the service and wanders off to wash his hands while you pay and leave without ever thinking of him again til your oil needs changed.

Again. Since you clearly missed it the other billion times. I do not have a single moral or ethical issue with someone getting paid for sex. It's the "I hold all the cards" that just seems so silly. I want to know if she'd feel the same sense of "control" and "card holding" if she was a waitress or a mechanic or a maid.



I was responding to her statement that in the past she's been a victim, but now somehow, she's in control. And her implication that the control she believes she has is related to the fact that she now gets paid for what - previously - had made her a victim.

If that's not what she meant, fine. But it's sure what it sounded like. And it's silly.

So the moral of this story is; "be nice to your mechanic".

 

[redheadedtxn]

So the moral of this story is; "be nice to your mechanic".

I thought it was blow your mechanic

 

[Fabala]

I don't judge people who work in slaughterhouses murdering defenseless animals so that Fat America can consume animal flesh.

Yeah, because that doesn't sound judgmental at all.

 

[Fabala]

And for the record, I was not judging YOU personally. I was simply questioning your "Hold all the cards" statement.

Still am.

 

[richard_daily]

Yeah, because that doesn't sound judgmental at all.

Having strong opinions, and judging people can be two seperate things.

 

[Fabala]

Having strong opinions, and judging people can be two seperate things.

Should be two separate things.

 

[redheadedtxn]

And for the record, I was not judging YOU personally. I was simply questioning your "Hold all the cards" statement.

Still am.

I do it if I want, or I say no. What's to not understand?

 

[redheadedtxn]

Having strong opinions, and judging people can be two seperate things.

mmmmm hmmmm.....

 

[evesdream]

Again. Since you clearly missed it the other billion times. I do not have a single moral or ethical issue with someone getting paid for sex. It's the "I hold all the cards" that just seems so silly. I want to know if she'd feel the same sense of "control" and "card holding" if she was a waitress or a mechanic or a maid.

You wouldn't know it from your loaded statements in this thread.

I don't care if people get paid to have sex with people who ultimately don't give a shit about them. At least they're getting something tangible out of it. Plenty of people have dysfunctional fucked up sex lives and get nothing in return.

I was responding to her statement that in the past she's been a victim, but now somehow, she's in control. And her implication that the control she believes she has is related to the fact that she now gets paid for what - previously - had made her a victim.

If that's not what she meant, fine. But it's sure what it sounded like. And it's silly.

Now you're just backpedaling from your original sweeping statement

Sex industry = previous victims who've convinced themselves they've risen above victimhood because now they get paid to be victims.

 

[richard_daily]

Should be two separate things.

Stating one's strong opinions, doesn't mean that you are passing judgement. In the statement Red made, "Fat America" is probably the only thing that could be seen as any sort of judgement on anyone, but it's fairly general.

For me, I say things on here that some may take as passing judgement in that way about... christians for example.

However, I've worked at christian soup kitchens in the past, and I don't ever pass judgement on someone because they are christian, I would only pass judgement on someone based on their actions and them as an individual.

That said; I'll make fun of christianity all day long. I don't see it as passing judgement.

I think there's a little bit of a gray area there, but I really don't think it's passing judgement to be strongly convicted about something, unless you're saying along the lines of "people who eat meat should be ____"

I don't know.. I guess it may be semantics, but I see a difference.

 

[Fabala]

You wouldn't know it from your loaded statements in this thread.

Ok.

Now you're just backpedaling from your original sweeping statement

I feel no need to backpedal from my opinion that people who work in the sex industry have almost without exception been victims of sexual exploitation in the past and continue to exploit themselves (victimize themselves) in exchange for cash as if that negates the exploitation.

I find it interesting and a little baffling that it's difficult for you to understand that an employee (one who is paid for a service) is not in charge of their boss.

 

[Fabala]

Stating one's strong opinions, doesn't mean that you are passing judgement.

I agree. Though it's interesting to me that my stating of MY strong opinion is being seen as being judgmental.

In the statement Red made, "Fat America" is probably the only thing that could be seen as any sort of judgement on anyone, but it's fairly general.

I thought the "murdering of defenseless animals" was more judgmental. Mostly because it's so emotional sounding.

I don't ever pass judgement on someone because they are christian, I would only pass judgement on someone based on their actions and them as an individual.

That said; I'll make fun of christianity all day long. I don't see it as passing judgement.

It's still passing judgment - on the Religion (industry) of Christianity, not the individual people within the whole. However, you COULD say that most people who turn to religion do so to fill a hole in their lives that was created by events they could not control. And you'd be pretty close to right, and not at all judgmental.

I think there's a little bit of a gray area there, but I really don't think it's passing judgement to be strongly convicted about something, unless you're saying along the lines of "people who eat meat should be ____"

I don't know.. I guess it may be semantics, but I see a difference.

Schematics.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Fabala:

Red's not doing it for the money. She's doing it for her pleasure. The money is incidental. She's taking it because 1) it's being given and 2) it's a plus. As long as she can keep saying yes or no to the whens, wheres and hows, she's in control of her world.

A prostitute cannot say the same thing. That money has to be there or her pimp will whoop that ass and not in a good S&M sort of way.

The men's pleasure in this is already understood. Also, there is a level of intimacy and sharing here that comes from something familiar and longterm. Everyone concerned has their own space and when they come to meet within a shared space, this is what they do together. Then pleasure is meted, satisfaction is created, everyone goes back to their own spaces when needed to do their own thing until the next time.

 

[richard_daily]

I agree. Though it's interesting to me that my stating of MY strong opinion is being seen as being judgmental.

I didn't accuse you of that.

I thought the "murdering of defenseless animals" was more judgmental. Mostly because it's so emotional sounding.

It is emotional... But so is life. It doesnt' sound judgmental to me though.

It's still passing judgment - on the Religion (industry) of Christianity, not the individual people within the whole. However, you COULD say that most people who turn to religion do so to fill a hole in their lives that was created by events they could not control. And you'd be pretty close to right, and not at all judgmental.

Well, I don't have a problem with passing judgement on entities or concepts... However, now that the SCOTUS has declared many of those same entities as people, I guess I have to reconsider my position, huh?

 

[richard_daily]

You would be fun to blow

How did I manage to miss this offer???


I think that I'm getting slow in my old age.

 

[evesdream]

Ok.

I feel no need to backpedal from my opinion that people who work in the sex industry have almost without exception been victims of sexual exploitation in the past and continue to exploit themselves (victimize themselves) in exchange for cash as if that negates the exploitation.

That's the bobble that keeps popping up. It's as if you're saying only sex workers have bad days and have felt or been badly exploited at some point in their working lives. When do sex workers stop being victims in your eyes?
It's weird (in a creepy way) that their millions of experiences all seem fundamentally the same to you.

I think we both know that it isn't simple. It's so complicated and multi-textured. Why the reductionist argument?

I find it interesting and a little baffling that it's difficult for you to understand that an employee (one who is paid for a service) is not in charge of their boss.

It's baffling because I never said that. I agree with you, that employees have power, but not all of the control.


Zumi, not all prostitutes have pimps, you must know that.

 

[sufisaint]

I get that from my Master.

Anyone who has a "master" is not free...you have given it away at a cost and only in freedom can love be truly shared. I understand that is your choice I am not trying to change your mind or even judge you...but to give you a glimpse to the other side of the coin...you are living life as you are and everyone else is just a commodity...to be brokered and sold...but from my point of view life is sacred...its beyond measurement of value, every experience is an end itself not a means to something else...in that way all of life's experience can be fully explored and appreciated. Just a thought for you to consider...nothing more.