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You're doing it wrong.

Instead, ask baggers to explain how libertarians aren't anarchists.

That's always good for a laugh.
 
Luke_Atmydik said:
The funny thing about this post is that vette actually believes that's what happened.
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What's even more pathetic is his attempt to use anachronistic metaphors of women in the negative as an effective diss. Somebody push grampy's wheelchair into the 21st century already! :D
 
vetteman said:
As I recall, I blew your second question right out of the fucking saddle; you however, having so much of your life invested in the impossibility of the existence of real socialists in our government, while conducting a concerted strategy to deny your own efforts to support policies that give it strength, you continue to fail to acknowledge that I gave you a membership list of 70 members of Congress belonging to the Democratic Socialists Of America.

These are member of congress who call themselves socialists, but who have apparently have been deemed by you to be too stupid to know what real socialists are. :rolleyes:
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No, you didn't. The OP clearly says "define socialism and then identify people serving in govt who are socialists according to that definition. Without having posted a definition, your post relies on the person's own definition. If that's a reasonable argument, then I'm a free market conservative. I don't think it's impossible; I think it's likely. But for some reason, you need to assume that this thread is intended to either imply that there are no socialists in the government or somehow prove that I'm not a socialist. 1) There are, and 2) I'm not, by any definition I've yet seen.

Vette, please define socialism.


And stop acting like a child. I've acknowledged the post at least twice. This will be three times:

Vette posted a link in this very thread to a list of 70 congress critters who are members of a coalition which was in part formed by socialists.

Okay, little fella? Need a Kleenex?
SeanH said:
I made more money in 1999 in six weeks than I have in any year since writing Y2K patches for legacy COBOL systems. When's the next millenium?
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Cobol...the most vaguely obscene-sounding language of all.
 
rosco rathbone said:
You're doing it wrong.

Instead, ask baggers to explain how libertarians aren't anarchists.

That's always good for a laugh.
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It's funny for exactly as long as incoherent sputtering and hair-pulling is funny. Did you notice AJ entirely failing to look in the mirror earlier?
 
Frisco_Slug_Esq said:
Here's something I have noticed with the I'm not a Socialist crowd here.

They hate big business, they think it rips people off (A_J, you know business will not pass on the savings from the FairTax.org to the consumer, they're "greedy."), and then they turn around and point out how well they are doing in stocks...

Are they then making profit off the rip-off artists?

Unindicted co-conspirators?
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A_J's corollary #3, “The New Age Liberal maintains contradictory positions comfortably compartmentalized.”
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[shrug] There is no hypocrisy in it. A socialist has as much right as anyone else to be greedy. A socialist is simply someone who wants to -- and might or might not (probably not, nowadays) be actually working to -- replace the existing socioeconomic system with one the socialist hopes would be more just and egalitarian. Meanwhile, a socialist has to live in the here-and-now society just like you do, and might as well do as well as he/she can out of the game; if there is a socioeconomic pyramid, better to be at the top than the bottom -- regardless of whether you approve of the existence of the pyramid. Socialist doctrine, no less than Adam Smith or John Stuart Mill, assumes self-interested economic behavior on everyone's part anyway; the Revolution is merely self-interested behavior in the collective. No, George Soros is no hypocrite. (If he is a socialist -- I'm not sure on that point.)
 
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amicus said:
off2bed said:
The late, great Patrick McGoohan, of The Prisoner. Seen them all multiple times. It's more true today than ever, only we're all Prisoners now. Be seeing you.[/QUOTE]

~~~

Thank you...the show was before its' time, esoteric and cutting edge, and yes, the theme was and is universal....smiles....be seeing you, too....:rose:

ami
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Errmmm . . . that's one point of view . . . Here's another.

The series ran 17 episodes, and mixed James Bond-type thriller elements with a half-baked allegory on The Role of the Individual in Mass Society. The show is confusing partly because there was a struggle between McGoohan and story editor George Markstein for creative control. Markstein wanted to keep the show fairly rational, while McGoohan preferred to indulge his penchant for two-bit surrealism. Markstein finally quit and McGoohan wrote and directed the last two episodes himself, with bizarre results.

The plot of the finale defies quick summary, but the drift of it is that the Village's head honchos are so impressed by McGoohan's indomitable will that they want to make him boss (or something like that — nothing in this show is very clear). A long hallucinatory sequence in the Village's underground HQ transpires in which Beatles tunes, the song "Dem Dry Bones," and a gallery of geeks in white cloaks and face masks are prominently featured. Finally McGoohan is taken to see Number One. He pulls off Number One's mask to reveal an ape mask, which he also pulls off, only to find that Number One is … McGoohan himself.

While McGoohan-as-Number-One escapes, McGoohan-as-Number-Six finds his way to the control room, where he triggers a missile countdown. Panic breaks out among the Villagers. McGoohan and several confederates escape in what looks like a big moving van. Just as they get past the gates a rocket blasts off out of the center of the Village containing who knows what and heading God knows where, while the Village itself is abandoned (I guess). McGoohan and friends then drive to London, where he resumes residence in the apartment from which he'd originally been kidnapped.

And that, incredibly enough, is it. No explanations, no nothing. Baffled viewers jammed the switchboards when the show was first aired and wrote irate letters to the newspapers. Critics and even people involved in the show's production agreed that the last episode had gotten completely out of hand, although ironically the widespread bewilderment it created helped the show attain the underground status it enjoys today. People have tried to tell me the whole thing is some sort of allegory for the 60s, but you couldn't prove it by me. The series is available in videocassette (and now on DVD) if you want to check it out for yourself.
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jeninflorida said:
Omg... you are little children still trying to convince yourselves that Socialism is a good thing? Some day, maybe you nuts can wear big boy pants

thanks for trying, NEXT
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ummmm.. he's talking about a tv show and off2bed's complete misunderstanding of it

and this thread has never been about wether its bad or good.. but trying to get people off thier butts and figure out what is... instead of throwing out random talking points


kind of like what you just did
 
jeninflorida said:
Omg... you are little children still trying to convince yourselves that Socialism is a good thing? Some day, maybe you nuts can wear big boy pants

thanks for trying, NEXT
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Holy shit you're back! :eek:

Where's JenAltArmy when you really need her/him/it? :D
 
IrezumiKiss said:
Holy shit you're back! :eek:

Where's JenAltArmy when you really need her/him/it? :D
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between work and writing, very little free time.....I know you missed feeding time at the zoo :)

JenAltArmy is not me. I don't have the free time to play with you kids
 
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but this is what it means, when we have a socialist government

hand over your cell phone, when the cops pull you over...NUTS

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20055431-1.html#ixzz1KCednoAS

Peregrinator said:
–noun
1.
a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2.
procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3.
(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism
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richard_daily said:
they let you trick out of kmart? They must be getting desperate.
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if you mean blue light special, yes! we have discounts, sure its not the five finger discount program you normally enjoy....but hey, you got to do what you have to do, as you enjoy that social crack program, right? ;)
 
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