For Discussion: BBW's and Fat Attraction

[Luna_Wolf72]

Being overweight carries only about the same mortality risk as being normal weight. Obesity is a risk and being underweight is a risk (only 5kg underweight is a significant risk). Here is a study: http://www.nature.com/oby/journal/v14/n12/full/oby2006269a.html The risks are exaggerated in the media because it is socially unacceptable to be overweight and the whole thing has become a moral panic but I seriously doubt Lance is bright enough to recognise this; this whole thread is just another opportunity for him to bully the women on the site and it seems like he has decided to go for the more vulnerable group. Kudo Lance, you become a bigger turd each day.

For the others who might actually be interested and not just being a bully like the forementioned, here is a good article:http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2009/07/americas-moral-panic-over-obesity/22397/

*goes off to read*

Well put Blunty. This whole thread is just lance being a mean spirited bully.

And frankly, I just wondered who judges obesity or BBW's?

Like I pointed out~by those lists that give best height/weight ratio...I am pushing damn near 30 pounds over...

and yet~I am a size 5/6 with 34 D breasts and a phat ass. I look like hundreds of other short, well shaped, Black women. How am I supposed to believe that obesity is such a big deal when I am considered overweight?

 

[English Lady]

*goes off to read*



And frankly, I just wondered who judges obesity or BBW's?

Like I pointed out~by those lists that give best height/weight ratio...I am pushing damn near 30 pounds over...

and yet~I am a size 5/6 with 34 D breasts and a phat ass. I look like hundreds of other short, well shaped, Black women. How am I supposed to believe that obesity is such a big deal when I am considered overweight?

Crazy isn't it? The whole BMI thing is flawed, really. It can class professional athletes as overweight!

I think we have to know what is good for our body shapes. Some people are naturally padded a certain way, certainly doesn't make them obese or unhealthy.

I think the focus needs to be changed to healthier eating and healthier lifestyles as it doesn't matter what shape you are you can fall into bad habits so easily when you're surrounded by processed junk foods.

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

Crazy isn't it? The whole BMI thing is flawed, really. It can class professional athletes as overweight!

I think we have to know what is good for our body shapes. Some people are naturally padded a certain way, certainly doesn't make them obese or unhealthy.

I think the focus needs to be changed to healthier eating and healthier lifestyles as it doesn't matter what shape you are you can fall into bad habits so easily when you're surrounded by processed junk foods.

I think my problem is that one can not judge obesity by comparing one's self to what is considered the norm. I have my mum's build with a black ass. She was white~busty, hippy, and pretty well muscled under all those curves. That's what I have with the addition of my pop's backside. I am not meant to weigh 105-112 pounds~which is the target weight of anyone at 5 foot nothing like me, depending on frame size. Last time I got that small (113 in 2003) I ended up in the hospital. My doctor set my target weight at 125 to 130. Healthy for me...but still carrying extra weight by those stupid lists.

If a person is active and able to move about on their own and trying to fix whatever flaws they see in themselves~who has the right to point out that they are obese or even overweight? And why does it even fucking matter?

 

[vrosej10]

I think my problem is that one can not judge obesity by comparing one's self to what is considered the norm. Genetically, I have my mum's build with a black ass. She was white~busty, hippy, and pretty well muscled under all those curves. That's what I have with the addition of my pop's backside. I am not meant to weigh 105-112 pounds~which is the target weight of anyone at 5 foot nothing like me, depending on frame size. Last time I got that small (113 in 2003) I ended up in the hospital. My doctor set my target weight at 125 to 130. Healthy for me...but still carrying extra weight by those stupid lists.

If a person is active and able to move about on their own and trying to fix whatever flaws they see in themselves~who has the right to point out that they are obese or even overweight? And why does it even fucking matter?

Exactly. i wouldn't worry about the butt. Butt fat has a generally protective effect on health. I don't think BMI is a particularly good scale. When I had the lapbanding first done I halved my body weight and looked like a skeleton wearing a baggy skin suit but according to my bmi I was overweight marginally. What was telling was that the measure for being overweight had been lowered the month before I hit this weight, so the difference for me from being normal weight and overweight, was time.

I think actual illness should be the judge of whether your weight is unhealthy. I am not a great example because I am but I think I am that unfortunate individual who just hits all the stats. My husband is 40kg overweight. He has little arthritis (he's almost seventy so some would be expected), his blood pressure and cholesterol is fine and he never gets sick. We both walk everywhere and eat as well as we can afford to.

 

[blunt_trauma]

fat arses are ok, healthwise.
it's fat tummies that carry the greater risk.

this guy:
http://shanekavanagh.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/body-builder.jpg
exceptionally low body fat,
but the height/weight chart would have him at morbidly obese.
my nephew? you can count every rib on his muscle butted frame,
but, after weighing him, the school sent home a letter to say he was overweight. his doctor just laughed. as did i.
you need your body fat percentages calculated.
callipers & gadgets & shit!

 

[December]

Well put Blunty. This whole thread is just lance being a mean spirited bully.

We have a weiner!

 

[Saint Peter]

I want a sandwich.

 

[fair_warning]

Where the fat girls are:

Rank Countries Amount
# 1 United States: 30.6%
# 2 Mexico: 24.2%
# 3 United Kingdom: 23%
# 4 Slovakia: 22.4%
# 5 Greece: 21.9%
# 6 Australia: 21.7%
# 7 New Zealand: 20.9%
# 8 Hungary: 18.8%
# 9 Luxembourg: 18.4%
# 10 Czech Republic: 14.8%

I'm guessing there would be a link between these rankings and the number of fast food outlets...

 

[fair_warning]

I want a sandwich.

With triple cheese and bacon.

 

[December]

I want a sandwich.

Me frickin' too! I had a root canal the day before yesterday, I want something to eat that isn't mushy and soupy!

 

[Lancecastor]

It is natural and to be expected that some fat women will line up with various excuses for being fat.

Neither this thread, nor the fact that Lance started it...is an excuse for being fat.

In the developed world, finding fat women attractive is considered abnormal.

It's a fetish.

Oprah is a good example.

She's been weight-appropriate at various times, but given all the psychological damage she suffered as a child, is it any wonder she feels better hiding behind her fat?

http://gal.darkervision.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/fat-wagon_l.jpg

 

[Lancecastor]

Oprah & Michele Obama are doing some good work to fight the disease of obesity in women and teens.

Oprah's Fat Intervention

There is an epidemic affecting the health of America's children.

It isn't smoking or drug abuse—it's obesity.

"This could be the first generation of children to not outlive their parents," Oprah says.

Sixteen teenagers share their struggles with weight in hopes of finding the cause. "We wanted to challenge them to take part in a grueling eight-hour intervention where they confront the reasons why they're overweight," Oprah says.

Jessica is 14 years old and has gained 30 to 40 pounds in the past year. "I'm upset about my weight, and I want to do something about it," Jessica says. "I'm sad that I can't accept myself the way I am."

Raven isn't happy with her body and says she gets teased even though people don't know what else is happening in her life. "My mom had brain surgery in December a week before my birthday, and it's kind of stressful because I have to take more responsibilities now," she says.

Christian notices all the thin girls in her school who have boyfriends and seem popular. "Why can't I be like them? Why can't I have a boyfriend like they can?" she says. "Why can't somebody see my inner beauty and not pay attention to my outside?"

Jillian says that she doesn't remember herself not overweight and is thinking about having gastric bypass surgery. "It's a risky surgery, but there's a chance that I'm going to die from being overweight too," she says.

Stephanie L. is in her senior year and won't go to dances because she's embarrassed about her weight. "School basically is pretty much hell," Stephanie says. "I mean, a lot of kids make fun of me. I'm used to it by now, but it still hurts. No matter how used to it you are, it always hurts."

 

[Saint Peter]

I bet Oprah is a wild woman in the sack.

 

[vrosej10]

It is natural and to be expected that some fat women will line up with various excuses for being fat.

Neither this thread, nor the fact that Lance started it...is an excuse for being fat.

In the developed world, finding fat women attractive is considered abnormal.

It's a fetish.

Oprah is a good example.

She's been weight-appropriate at various times, but given all the psychological damage she suffered as a child, is it any wonder she feels better hiding behind her fat?

http://gal.darkervision.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/fat-wagon_l.jpg

What's your excuse for being a misogynistic arsehole? Did some evil woman mistreat you? All this stuff sounds like the whining pleas for attention of little Lance; basically you act like you think if you are enough of a jerk, it will somehow make you special....

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

So the actual thought behind this thread was to discuss a fetish that you find unhealthy . This, in turn, allows you to query and ponder why any person would allow themselves to be fuel for those particular fetishists? So discussions of healthy versus unhealthy regardless of weight are moot?

OK.

 

[Liar]

you need your body fat percentages calculated.

Or really, you don't. Health by numbers will make you sick worrying.

It was when I got off the scale, refused to measure anything and just downsized my food-and-Snickers intake and scaled up on my move-your-ass quota by the exact measurment of "whatever I'm comfortable with today", that it started to show as weight loss and better...wassitcalled...spring in my step.

 

[fair_warning]

Well in an odd way he is special...I have been around Lit (in various incarnations) lomg enough to appreciate his horrid, cruel and demeaning posts.

 

[Lancecastor]

Or really, you don't. Health by numbers will make you sick worrying.

It was when I got off the scale, refused to measure anything and just downsized my food-and-Snickers intake and scaled up on my move-your-ass quota by the exact measurment of "whatever I'm comfortable with today", that it started to show as weight loss and better...wassitcalled...spring in my step.

For some, the required discipline to break the cycle will act as an excuse/barrier...much like any addiction.

Each person who affects positive change will come to the healthy mindset necessary by their own path.

Agreed, many will resist taking the tried-and-true proven path...which is probably how they got off track in the first place.

It's like the AF men; they have been shown to be "rebellious" against societal norms of what "attraction" means.

But being attracted to unhealthy people is not normal, just as being attracted to violent people is not normal.

Unhealthy takes many guises. Fat is one such guise.

Well in an odd way he is special...I have been around Lit (in various incarnations) lomg enough to appreciate his horrid, cruel and demeaning posts.

I think what makes me "special" is I'm not willing to play along with the way other men here fawn over women...any women...in order to encourage them to post nude pictures of themselves or engage in cybersex.

I think such behavior is demeaning to women.

Likewise, pretending that being obese is "okay" is abusive to women.

Speaking the truth is not abuse; it is not bullying, it is not hate.

Coloring helpful concern as "bad" in order to have fat women strip on a web site...is however, sick.

 

[Liar]

In the developed world, finding fat women attractive is considered abnormal.

It's a fetish.

You're supposed to find whatever is considered healthy to be attractive. What is healthy is a matter of confusion, when human society changes the living conditions faster than human brains by means of natural selection can keep up.

 

[vrosej10]

So the actual thought behind this thread was to discuss a fetish that you find unhealthy . This, in turn, allows you to query and ponder why any person would allow themselves to be fuel for those particular fetishists? So discussions of healthy versus unhealthy regardless of weight are moot?

OK.

No, no. That stuff is the good stuff that resulted from Lance's evil intent.

Or really, you don't. Health by numbers will make you sick worrying.

It was when I got off the scale, refused to measure anything and just downsized my food-and-Snickers intake and scaled up on my move-your-ass quota by the exact measurment of "whatever I'm comfortable with today", that it started to show as weight loss and better...wassitcalled...spring in my step.

Good for you. I reckon that's the way it is supposed to work.

 

[JuanVato]

BBW's...

Yes, I find some "plus sized women" attractive.

I haved dated size 2's to size 14's and the most attractive traits of all women is...(wait for it)...personality and attitude.

I would much rather have fun with a vivacious and positive thinking BBW, than date a miserable, constantly complaining waif.

I do find myself looking at women in the "Athena" groups during some of my races and wondering if they know how hot they look.

 

[vrosej10]

Well in an odd way he is special...I have been around Lit (in various incarnations) lomg enough to appreciate his horrid, cruel and demeaning posts.

But only in a 'special ed' kind of special.

 

[Lancecastor]

But only in a 'special ed' kind of special.

I don't know who "made" you so fat that you developed Diabetes, high Cholesterol and the resulting joint problems that go with your girth.

But it wasn't Me.

Try looking in the mirror instead of abusing people for the way you have mismanaged your health.

Yes, I find some "plus sized women" attractive.

I haved dated size 2's to size 14's and the most attractive traits of all women is...(wait for it)...personality and attitude.

I would much rather have fun with a vivacious and positive thinking BBW, than date a miserable, constantly complaining waif.

I do find myself looking at women in the "Athena" groups during some of my races and wondering if they know how hot they look.

Finding women of various sizes attractive based upon their personality is normal, so you don't fall into the AF category we are discussing here.

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

Ok. Well thanks for the articles, vrj. At least I learned something I didn`t know before.

 

[vrosej10]

I don't know who "made" you so fat that you developed Diabetes, high Cholesterol and the resulting joint problems that go with your girth.

But it wasn't Me.

Try looking in the mirror instead of abusing people for the way you have mismanaged your health.

I'd like to know who fucked you up so bad that you hate women so much? I might give you the same advise.