Do you support the burning of the Koran on 9/11?

[off2bed]

Seems to me there's a massive business opportunity in opening anger management clinics in the Muslim world.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

This one's for Killy...

Imagining Islam
Wishful thinking will not bring success or security.

If only the fantasy were true: If only there actually were a dominant, pro-American, echt moderate Islam, an ideology so dedicated to human rights, so sternly set against savagery, that acts of terrorism were, by definition, “un-Islamic activity.” Imagine an Islam that, far from a liability, proved an asset (indeed, an indispensable asset) in combating the threat against us. Imagine that we could accurately call the threat mere “extremism” — no “Islamic” (or even “Islamist”) modifier being necessary because the “extremists” truly were a tiny, aberrant band, fraudulently “hijacking” a great religion.

If the fantasy were true, who among us would not be proud to mark the annual observance of September 11 by breaking ground on a $100 million Islamic center cum mosque at the site of the most horrific attack in American history? In the nine years since the atrocities that claimed the lives of nearly 3,000 Americans at the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and a field in Shanksville, Pa., such an Islam — if it really existed — would have spearheaded the defeat of America’s enemies.

Such an Islam, over nine long years, would have risen up and made itself heard. It would have identified by name and condemned with moral outrage the imposters purporting to act in its name. It would have honored America’s sacrifice of blood and treasure in the liberation of oppressed Muslim peoples. It would have said “thank you” to our troops. It would have joined America, without ambiguity or hesitation, in crushing terror networks and dismantling the regimes that abet them. It would not have needed trillion-dollar American investments to forge democracies; it would naturally have adopted democracy on its own.

What excruciating truths have we yet failed to grasp on this ninth anniversary of 9/11? The first is that such an Islam does not exist. The second is that, despite this fact, American foreign and domestic policy continues to proceed as though it does exist — and as though it were the only real Islam. That is, nine years after Islamists made their commitment to our destruction as unmistakable as possible, nine years after the non-occurrence of all the wonderful things that would certainly have happened if the Islam of our dreams were the Islam of our reality, our national-security strategy is still steeped in fiction.

Self-delusion is a convenient policy. It resists defining missions with anything but the most detached, politically correct loftiness. Serial attacks by readily identifiable enemies seamlessly become a nebulous “war on terror,” then a “long struggle against violent extremism,” then an “overseas contingency operation.” If you stubbornly avoid saying whom you’re fighting and why, pretty soon no one remembers — the better to define down success — don’t say victory. So we gradually slide from “You’re with us or you’re with the terrorists,” to “draining the swamps,” to “the forward march of freedom,” to the creation of “democracies” that are reliable American “allies in the war on terror,” to “democracy-lite, and please pass the sharia,” to “shoot for stability,” to “Why not negotiate with the Taliban? Look how well the engagement with Iran is going.”

We may succeed in kidding ourselves, but our enemies aren’t fooled. By 9/11, Iran had been braying “Death to America!” and matching word with deed for over 20 years. The mullahs heard all the “You’re with us or with the terrorists” banter, but they also saw it followed up with a policy of entreaty, appeasement, and capitulation. So they did what any jihadist taking our measure would do: They spent the ensuing nine years helping other jihadists kill Americans. The only difference now is that they’re about to be a jihadist nuclear power — a status they must have known was a shoo-in once the chorus of American politicians began pronouncing it “unacceptable.”

In the two new “democracies” we’ve built, sharia reigns, as it was bound to do when the State Department wrote it into the new constitutions — Islam being one of our purported weapons against terrorism. One result is that homosexuals and religious minorities are brutally persecuted.

In Iraq, where half the public still sees attacks on U.S. troops as legitimate, democratic elections are now contests in which candidates vie to show who is most anti-American. To the new Iraq, Iran is the most important ally. Indeed, if war broke out with Iran tomorrow, American forces in Iraq would be barred from launching attacks against Tehran. We’ve pledged not to use our costly military presence in Iraq against any other country — the only country for which the Shiite government would waive that prohibition is Israel.

Meantime, in Afghanistan, the U.S.-backed Karzai government is desperately seeking a deal with the Taliban — the Islamist terrorists the State Department refuses to designate as terrorists. As the Wall Street Journal reports, the Afghan government even convened a conference of clerics to enact a resolution calling for more exacting enforcement of sharia, the Taliban’s key demand. In response, the Taliban have stepped up the pace of bombings and assassinations. They are convinced, as Karzai is convinced, that President Obama will begin pulling out next year, just as he said he would. We imagine a cozy life with a “moderate” Taliban; the actual Taliban intend on ruling with remorseless sharia.

At home, even as al-Qaeda continues its efforts to reprise 9/11, a network of Islamist organizations — coordinated by the Muslim Brotherhood and financially backed by our friends, the Saudis — proceeds with what it calls its “grand jihad” to eliminate and destroy Western civilization by sabotage. This is not a secret. The Brotherhood’s internal memoranda were seized by the FBI. They boldly announce these claims in black and white. Two years ago, the Justice Department aptly labeled the constituent organizations — including the Islamic Society of North America and the Council on American Islamic Relations — as unindicted co-conspirators in a terrorism-financing case in which several of their partners were convicted of funneling millions of dollars to Hamas. Today, those Islamist organizations are right back in business, with an open door to “engaging” government policymakers, as if nothing ever happened. In our imagination, they’re moderates, too.

One thing never intrudes on our make-believe world: the real 9/11. Before it was Ground Zero, the World Trade Center was a real place, where flesh-and-blood Americans were slaughtered — some of them leaping over 70 stories to their grisly demise because it seemed more merciful than immolation in the fires that raged within. We try not to think about that much anymore, except for a fleeting moment or two every September 11. We just imagine it can never happen again. After all, we’ve got Islam in our corner.

Andrew C. McCarthy
NRO

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Richard Cohen of the Washington Post has discovered an Egyptian anti-Semite. Unfortunately, the object of Cohen's ire has been dead for over four decades. Yes, Cohen, who once labeled Israel a "historical mistake," has taken to the pages of the Washington Post to chastise a martyred cadaver. Indeed, Cohen castigates The Economist for its review of Sayyid Qutb's biography, which celebrates Sayyid's contributions to contemporary Islamic political "reform" while ignoring the bigotry for which he is equally famous. Cohen's column makes you wonder where he and the American press corps have been for the last fifty years. Qutb and the Muslim Brotherhood (al Ikwan) have already been taken to the woodshed by Cohen's betters: the likes of Paul Johnson, Bernard Lewis, and Paul Berman. Cohen also suggests that the line between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism is starting to get thin. Do you think, Dick?

There are precious few columns in the Post or other dailies about contemporary home-grown anti-Semitism and hate speech like that of Louis Farrakhan (aka Louis Walcott) of the Nation of Islam and Malik Zulu Shabazz (aka Paris Lewis) of the New Black Panthers. Indeed, Cohen could audit Farrakhan's hate speech on one of his many visits to Howard University right there in Washington, D.C. In case anyone missed it, the old Panthers, who were once garden-variety black nationalists, have been hijacked by another malignant strain of Islam. Most of the "new" cats are radical Muslims.

But the most egregious negligence of the press on all things Islamic is their failure to track the bloom of foreign Muslim study programs, cultural centers, mosques, and related organizations in the West -- especially those on American university campuses. Indeed, one of the more notable Saudi-funded institutes thrives, again, in Cohen's backyard at Georgetown University.

The Alwaleed Bin-Talal Center for Christian-Muslim Understanding is funded by "Prince" Alwaleed, whose autocratic family, the house of al Saud, mandates Wahhabism as the state religion of Saudi Arabia. Alwaleed owns three palaces, the world's largest yacht, and the world's largest private airplane. He was educated in U.S. schools, yet he still practices polygamy. Alwaleed's lifestyle and similar Saud family excesses help make countrymen like Osama bin Laden possible.

A Freedom House study of Wahhabi publications used in American mosques concluded that the Saudi brand of Islampposed all nonbelievers, advocated hatred of all other religions, and blamed "democracy" for the pathologies of the 20th century. Wahhabis also control the Islamic shrines at Mecca and Medina, sacred to Muslims of all stripes yet off-limits to nonbelievers, infidels, and dar al harb (literally "the house of war").

There are no Jewish or Christian centers of "understanding" in Saudi Arabia. Cohen and most of his journalistic colleagues have been remarkably incurious about the ideology, funding, and objectives of a host of Islamic propagandists, most of whom originate in the Arab world. Many scholars suggest that Saudi Arabia alone may have spent as much as "87 billion dollars" to date to spread "theofacism."

No surprise, then, when John Esposito, the noisy Catholic director of the Alwaleed Center, was quick to come to the defense of the Ground Zero mosque -- beating even President Obama to the punch. Twenty million Saudi petro-dollars did not come to Georgetown University without political obligations or ideological strings.

It's difficult to know what Catholic hierarchies believe they have in common with Islamist elites.

Take Turkey as an illustration. The Turks have long been held up as an example of Islamic "moderation," yet starting with the Armenian genocide (1915), official state policy has sought to eliminate all vestiges of ecumenicism in what was arguably the oldest Christian diocese in the world. The only seminary in Turkey has been closed now by Ankara fiat, and without clergy, the Christian congregation has been reduced to marginal numbers. The Eastern Rite Orthodox patriarch in Istanbul has sought a dialogue with the Islamist regime in Ankara for years -- to no avail. Anatolian Christianity is being exterminated in slow motion. Even in the so-called "moderate" Muslim world, tolerance is a one-way street.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/09/the_shifting_paradigm_of_islam.html

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I shall never forget that very sad morning in September nine years ago, when Arab-Muslims committed their Manhattan and Washington, D.C. Gazwa, leaving about three thousand innocent people murdered. "Gazwa" is an Arab term used to indicate a successful attack upon the enemy or an invasion of enemy territory.

In the weeks following this horrible tragedy, I began to examine my Egyptian roots, which I had denied from the time I left Egypt for Rome in 1968 until the moment of this attack. Having assimilated into the Italian lifestyle and culture, I took the Italian language as my new first tongue and never looked back, only making occasional visits to my family in Cairo.

There was a reason I left Cairo beyond my choice of university to study architecture, and after Mohammad Atta, an Egyptian Arab-Muslim, slammed a jet into the world trade towers, I decided to fully explore this reason. I could no longer ignore the memories I had buried so long ago and what I had witnessed as a young boy growing up as a minority Copt subject to Islamic rule. I might say that in the aftermath of September 11, I took on a new resolve to remember my own personal history and face the oppression and persecution of my people, for I realized this was the best way to better understand the progress made by Arab Muslims toward their goal of conquering and subjugating the Kafir (non-Muslim population). I pored over ancient and contemporary Arabic texts in my original language, studying the behavior of Arabs throughout history and the development of Islam, to discover more about the land I grew up in and the politics which dominated my country.

The tragedy of the Christian Copts in Egypt as an oppressed and persecuted population inside their own country -- stripped of their identity and living under fear and intimidation for their faith, prohibited from real participation in government and all other important sectors of society -- all began with the violence of a Gazwa in the year 651.

Islamic-Arab aggression began with the first year of the Islamic calendar of Hegira and repeated itself once again in New York City in 2001. For 1,400 years, the people of Arab-occupied countries have suffered a rewrite of their own histories, their identities erased for the purpose of satisfying Arab-Muslim occupation and supremacy.

Looking back upon the weeks following this tragedy, I try to recall which leaders from the Arab-Muslim world reacted honorably in response to the horrible tragedy. No remarks of condolences were said, and no declarations of war against terrorism were stated by any one of the Arab state leaders or any imam within any mosque across the world. Instead, we witnessed unchecked celebrations in the streets by Arab Muslims while the American people were grief-stricken and shocked. Muslims living in America mostly either remained silent on this issue or celebrated as well.

After the 9/11 tragedy, Arab-Muslim media were reporting the success of bin Laden against the Kafirs in America. This same media, along with some Western media, spread rumors that the tragedy was planned and achieved through an inside job done by the FBI. Meanwhile, in this same timeframe, President Bush took a prompt from his Saudi Arabian associates and, based upon abrogated verses from Qur'an, declared Islam a religion of peace!

Statements like this from America's leaders, including some recently made by President Obama, have helped pave the way for us to receive the final emblem of triumph from the Arab Muslim over the American way, namely the Cordoba initiative, an Islamic Center to be built on hallowed American ground.

As an Egyptian-born Copt, I have a decided advantage over my American friends in that I have grown up in clear view of the unfolding Islamic agenda, as well as been victimized by it. The director of the Center for Islamic Study, Bill Warner, poses a question to Americans in one of his recent articles, titled "Do you have any Armenian, Serbian or Coptic friends?" He goes on to note that these individuals could be the key to understanding the progress of Islam in America and give the proper answers to those who question the opposition to building a mosque at ground zero.

The groundbreaking of the Cordoba mosque at Ground Zero will be a symbol of Arab-Muslim Gazwa of New York City, as currently projected in the Arab media, and will directly lead to the Islamization of America.

This in turn will be the beginning of the demands by Muslims for separate Shariah law and Shariah courts.

What a far-fetched conclusion, our American reader might say -- mainly because we have had no precedent for this in American culture. Shariah law compliance? Surely our Constitution will protect us from whatever this Shariah is.

The majority of those who gather in opposition to the mosque this weekend, exercising their freedom of speech, do so upon their objection to the insensitivity and disrespect toward the victims and their family members demonstrated in Imam Rauf and his financiers' stubborn determination to build it at Ground Zero, all the while conceding to Rauf his perfect right to build it.

Using America's freedom of religion for the establishment of a religion that holds steadfastly to cutting off freedom of religion and freedom of speech in both principle and practice places the religion of Islam in direct contradiction with the American way of life. American secular culture, informed with Judeo-Christian principles, is heading on a collision course with its foreign antithesis, a culture I am all too familiar with.

When I ask my American friends about the proliferation of Islam in America, the typical response is that everything will work out just fine in America because America allows room for practice of all religions and all beliefs. Some even quote their Muslim friends who are adept at refuting the skeptics. Americans have become apologists for Islam without knowing the important facts about Islamic religious beliefs and practices, particularly the practice of taqiya.

Lying is allowed, as stated in Islamic doctrine, when a believer (Muslim) is speaking to a non-believer (non-Muslim) for the purpose of achieving his goal, the advancement of Islam. When this convenient tool is utilized by a Muslim in speaking to the non-Muslim, it is especially effective in promoting acceptance of Islam.

Our democracy is at work as we exercise our freedom of speech and assemble in the streets on 9/11 this year to prevent the construction of a mosque at Ground Zero, a symbol of victory commemorating the profound material and psychological damage caused by the enemy of our nation in an attack upon us nine years ago. If the will of the people of New York City combined with the many voices around our country is able to halt this project, then not only is it a testimony to the strength of democracy in America, but, equally as important in defeating this travesty, it becomes the stumbling block to what will be the flagship used in launching the ideological forces aimed at destroying this very process.

Dr. Ashraf Ramelah is founder and president of Voice of the Copts, a human rights organization working to free the oppressed and persecuted Copts of Egypt.
www.voiceofthecopts.org

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://www.*****************.com/article/285123/christians_in_gaza_fear_for_their_lives.html?cat=9

A TRIP DOWN MEMORY LANE FOR ALL THE GB DRONES AND EUNUCHS.

 

[firespin]

Seems to me there's a massive business opportunity in opening anger management clinics in the Muslim world.

Our son stayed with a very nice Egyptian lady for in-home day care some years ago.

One time she invited us over to have dinner, and her husband was there.

Serious anger management issues. I don't think he got the idea that the TV couldn't hear him shout over it at full volume.

 

[MeeMie]

Is Florida Pastor Just Threatening Koran Burning to Prove Violence of Islam?


So far the only fires set aren't by Koran burners but angry protesters.

There has been a firestorm of coverage the past few days on Pastor Terry Jones and the Dove Outreach Center’s plans for a Koran burning on 9-11. As of right now it appears plans to torch the Muslim holy books has at least been suspended and possibly canceled.

There have been grave warnings of potential violence if the Korans are reduced to ashes.

What hasn’t gotten much attention is specific threats of terror and the actual destruction and deaths caused by Muslim protesters around the world.

And it may just be that the Florida pastor planned the Koran burning just to reveal to the world how vicious the reaction of Islamists would be around the world.

I’m not sure the pastor, whose central message has always been that Islam is evil, ever even planned to actually burn a single book. Pastor Jones may have wanted to simply prove his main message of an evil Islam to the world. He may have tipped his hand on Friday when he told the press:

“We’re pointing the finger at the wrong person. I haven’t even done anything. I think it reveals … the violence in Islam. Just the mere mentioning of it, just the threat, causes them to kill people, to protest, to say they are going to kill the president. I think it is quite obvious that what we are saying is definitely, definitely true.” – Terry Jones​

Jones was responding to violent protests in Afghanistan on Friday. In Western Afghanistan hundreds surrounded the NATO base there and soldiers had to defend the base. At least one civilian was killed and three were wounded. In Northern Afghanistan another NATO building was charged by angry Muslims and at least five protesters were wounded and three police officers were hurt. All of this violence took place after Terry Jones had announced the Koran burning was suspended. Fires also burned across the troubled nation but it wasn’t books being burnt, it was cars and buildings.

Afghanistan isn’t the only example of extreme violent reactions to the mere possibility of some small, so-called church burning a pile of holy books.

In England some British Muslims have promised to burn U.S. flags outside the American embassy on 9-11.

Thousands of protesters in Indonesia held signs promising Jihad if the Korans are burnt.

In Pakistan, even after the Koran burning was suspended, hundreds of angry Muslims burned American flags, called for the hanging of Terry Jones, and shouted “death to America”.



Somehow I wonder if that kook Terry Jones is smiling behind closed doors telling folks: I told you so.

A fifty person anti-Islam religious cult claiming to be a church has won the attention of the world. World leaders have contacted Jones and spoken to the media about the need for Jones to relent.

And the reaction throughout many parts of the Muslim world has been violence and promises of more violence.

And what does that violence do?

For Jones, it proves he was right all along. The promise of burning books has led to not only threats of Jihad but actual killings, fires, and hatred.

I do not think the Dove Outreach Center will end up setting a single Koran to flames. The world has worked itself into a frenzy over one crazy guy. The man represents no one but himself and his small group of confused followers. For Jones, they’ve already won.

However, the reaction Jones got of violence around the Islamic world isn’t the only sign that there is danger in the spread of fundamentalist Islam.

The terrified reaction by President Obama, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and our left-leaning media proves they don’t really believe all their propaganda that radical Islam is merely a minority and unrelated part of true Islam (or as Obama called them today: “a small group we don’t need to fear”). It is now obvious they know to attack Islam is to invite danger here and around the world.

Maybe the Left should keep that in mind the next time they attack people for thinking a mosque at Ground Zero just might be be a bad idea.

 

[firespin]

Oh, come on, cut-and-pasting flightless bird person.

Everybody knows all religions are equally bad. Just ask Zumi and Skye and such.

I'm sure plenty of Presbyterians and Buddhists have been demonstrating over (say) the ground zero mosque, and killing civilians in the process.

 

[MeeMie]

Oh, come on, cut-and-pasting flightless bird person.

Everybody knows all religions are equally bad. Just ask Zumi and Skye and such.

I'm sure plenty of Presbyterians and Buddhists have been demonstrating over (say) the ground zero mosque, and killing civilians in the process.

Didn't read the post, did you?

You missed the whole point.

 

[firespin]

Didn't read the post, did you?

You missed the whole point.

I never read anything you post, they're always too long and somebody else's writing anyway.

If somebody wanted to read http://frontpagemag.com/ they would already be doing it, right?

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Everybody knows all religions are equally bad. Just ask Zumi and Skye and such.

Yup!

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Happy 9/11 Day, motherfuckers! Praise God!

 

[firespin]

Yup!

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Happy 9/11 Day, motherfuckers! Praise God!

No trampled bodies? There should be trampled bodies. Something.

 

[MeeMie]

I never read anything you post, they're always too long and somebody else's writing anyway.

Well then, maybe you should also refrain from commenting on the post since you don't have any idea what it was about.

 

[RoryN]

Well then, maybe you should also refrain from commenting on the post since you don't have any idea what it was about.

Below is a link to a two-sentence response from you. Two fucking sentences. Could you use your own words for two fucking sentences? Nope - you ripped one off from Bob Ellis, who was quoting Glenn Beck (natch):

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?p=34867103&highlight=Meemie#post34867103

...and you tried to pass it off as your own "witty" response. Fact.

It's one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen on the GB.

 

[firespin]

Well then, maybe you should also refrain from commenting on the post since you don't have any idea what it was about.

If you believe everything people post on these board is the literal truth, you're in for some disappointments.

Try going back and re-reading my first response to your latest exercise in plagiarism with that perspective in mind.

 

[andystx]

No.


And I have said repeatedly it's not a wise choice of location even though they have the right. Just like this dickhead has the right to burn a koran while it's not a wise choice.

The difference is that they are doing it respectfully and in peace. He is doing it to start trouble and show disrespect.

There IS a difference even though you want to make it black and white.

It won't wash with me. Or any rational person.

Do you actually buy the bolded part? Or do you feel compelled to champion ideas like these in order to support your pose of retired/reformed former rabid racist?

There is no difference betweens the level of disrespect that the ground zero mosque developers and the batshit pastor are trying to excercise. The mosque builders want to stick a thumb in the eye of America. The pastor wants to stick a thumb in the eye of the muslim world. Obfuscate and bluster all you want, there are literally millions of square miles of surface area in this country where a new mosque might be peacefully built, the developers of this one want to plop one down on the only one of those millions of miles that will inspire rage.

If you want to draw a valid distinction between the two groups, I'll give you one. One of the groups is poised to spend $100+ Million dollars in order to register their disrespect while the other can probably get it done for $20-$30.

 

[MeeMie]

Try going back and re-reading my first response to your latest exercise in plagiarism with that perspective in mind.

I commented on your initial post already. It was unrelated to the article that I posted.



Here's a novel idea ...

If you aren't interested in the articles that I post, don't read them and don't comment on then since you haven't bothered to read them.

Matter of fact, if posting articles, that I find others might learn from and/or be interested in, bothers you so much, I invite you to please put me on ignore.

 

[butters]

so the man of 'god' finally got religion, did he?
Jesus wouldn't have wanted him to burn the qur'an.

why did it take him that long to figure out the message of christianity?

 

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[firespin]

I commented on your initial post already. It was unrelated to the article that I posted.



Here's a novel idea ...

If you aren't interested in the articles that I post, don't read them and don't comment on then since you haven't bothered to read them.

Matter of fact, if posting articles, that I find others might learn from and/or be interested in, bothers you so much, I invite you to please put me on ignore.

You can't be that clueless. You stole an article without attribution (again) about how Islam is violent. Well, duh. I commented that some people claim all other religions are just as violent, and cited the (non-existent) riots by Presbyterians and Buddhists. Do I need to use a sarcasm font?

 

[MeeMie]

You can't be that clueless. You stole an article without attribution (again) about how Islam is violent. Well, duh. I commented that some people claim all other religions are just as violent, and cited the (non-existent) riots by Presbyterians and Buddhists. Do I need to use a sarcasm font?

And YOU call me clueless?

The article was to point out the hypocrisy of condemning one faction while totallying disregarding the greater offender of the charge.

BTW, reposted articles are not plagerism, nor stolen.

 

[firespin]

And YOU call me clueless?

The article was to point out the hypocrisy of condemning one faction while totallying disregarding the greater offender of the charge.

BTW, reposted articles are not plagerism, nor stolen.

I do, with even more reason now.

If you read the article, almost every sentence is about how Islamists are violent. It's not about hypocrisy. You should try reading it.

"What hasn’t gotten much attention is specific threats of terror and the actual destruction and deaths caused by Muslim protesters around the world."

"Jones was responding to violent protests in Afghanistan on Friday. In Western Afghanistan hundreds surrounded the NATO base there and soldiers had to defend the base. At least one civilian was killed and three were wounded. In Northern Afghanistan another NATO building was charged by angry Muslims and at least five protesters were wounded and three police officers were hurt. All of this violence took place after Terry Jones had announced the Koran burning was suspended. Fires also burned across the troubled nation but it wasn’t books being burnt, it was cars and buildings."

You get the idea.

And, to your last point, copying works without attribution and presenting them as your own would be the definition of plagiarism. There's nothing in your post to distinguish it from how it would look as if you typed it up all by yourself.

It's also against the forum rules.

"3. Do not post /hotlink copyrighted images or articles in their entirety. Fair use laws allow some posting of copyrighted material, such as excerpts from articles and screen captures from movies, under certain circumstances. Please do a Google search under "Fair Use" if you want to understand this issue better."

 

[off2bed]

Our son stayed with a very nice Egyptian lady for in-home day care some years ago.

One time she invited us over to have dinner, and her husband was there.

Serious anger management issues. I don't think he got the idea that the TV couldn't hear him shout over it at full volume.

Reminds me of that show on, I think, History channel with the Egyptian Minister of Antiquities who's been on TV shows for years. They tried to turn this show into a drama, and the Minister turns out to be a complete asshole. I don't buy that it's a "reality" show, it all looks scripted and acted out.

 

[butters]

How do you know what Jesus would have wanted?

first of all, i don't.
he's the one who's claiming he is doing what Jesus wants; the not burning of the qur'an because it's not what jesus would want him to do is his sound-byte.

as for the message of christianity, i was brought up with it - roman catholic education, taught by nuns, church just about everyday ... so i'm well-versed in what the message of christianity purports to be.