For Perg, the "Gay" gene.

[busybody..]

I have blue eyes. A recessive trait. Am I defective?...........No, its meaningless

I have an infertile friend. Is he defective?............In a way, YES!

I have a once-fertile friend who decided she never wanted kids so she had a hysterectomy to eliminate the risk. Defective?............No, But its a good thing she did that

A person who gets hit by a car, and is confined to a wheelchair is defective

Doesnt mean he is BAD or EVIL or should be done away with, like a DEFECTIVE TV,

but that person is defective

Who would EVERYONE aspire to

That person, or people who arent confined to a wheelchair?

The FACT we pretend otherwise is meaningless and just makes US feel better

 

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[busybody..]

Stands to reason, you've always been myopically knee jerk in your take on things, often leading to your perceptions going up in smoke.

Back peddling? Hardly. Actually a simple case could be made, assuming a gene existed, that creates behavior preventing procreation, is indeed a defect.

correct

No SANE person would argue that a gene that creates Downs Syndrome doesnt make that baby defective!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[firespin]

Perhaps more genetic markers would explain the difference between George Michael, Rupert Everett, Nathan Lane and Truman Capote.

 

[cjh]

"Normal" is subjective in ways that surprise me. Some deaf parents want their children to be deaf as well. Is that good or bad?

<snip>

Ballard’s stance is likely to be welcomed by other deaf organisations, including the British Deaf Association (BDA), which is campaigning to amend government legislation to allow the creation of babies with disabilities. "

To me, this seems absolutely insane.

Would gay parents want to select to have gay children?

This gets to the heart of the matter.

I'm thinking out loud. If you are deaf, your life is qualitatively different in ways that are hard, if not impossible, to change.

If you are gay, you can't procreate. But lots of people cannot or elect not to have kids. And in many places you can adopt.

You have to deal with prejudice in some quarters, but that is true for race and gender, too.

 

[overthebow]

correct

No SANE person would argue that a gene that creates Downs Syndrome doesnt make that baby defective!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, smart guy, which gene makes causes Down Syndrome?

 

[overthebow]

This gets to the heart of the matter.

I'm thinking out loud. If you are deaf, your life is qualitatively different in ways that are hard, if not impossible, to change.

If you are gay, you can't procreate. But lots of people cannot or elect not to have kids. And in many places you can adopt.

You have to deal with prejudice in some quarters, but that is true for race and gender, too.

Gay people procreate all the time.

 

[busybody..]

Okay, smart guy, which gene makes causes Down Syndrome?

I have NO CLUE, DUMMY

And it doesnt matter to what I have said!

I know that cig smoking will KILL you, but I cant tell you the medical resons why

FUCK OFF, FREAK!

 

[overthebow]

I have NO CLUE, DUMMY

And it doesnt matter to what I have said!

I know that cig smoking will KILL you, but I cant tell you the medical resons why

FUCK OFF, FREAK!

For those of you who are not BB, it is Down Syndrome, not Downs Syndrome. It is caused by a baby having 47 chromosomes, not 46. It is not a single gene error.

 

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[busybody..]

For those of you who are not BB, it is Down Syndrome, not Downs Syndrome. It is caused by a baby having 47 chromosomes, not 46. It is not a single gene error.

BFD

Who the fuck cares?

Its a defect,

thats teh POINT

and YOU are defective as well!

 

[zipman]

Looks to me as if you used it without qualification.

This post reeks of back peddling.

Not to mention a healthy dose of stupidity as well.

All par for the course for vetteman.

 

[Saint Peter]

"I am sorry, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, but the test have come back positive for the Literotica gene."

 

[busybody..]

For those of you who are not BB, it is Down Syndrome, not Downs Syndrome. It is caused by a baby having 47 chromosomes, not 46. It is not a single gene error.

Oh

PS

Sorry, I confused you with ANOTHER TURD, re my comment about Howeird Dumb!

 

[cjh]

Stands to reason, you've always been myopically knee jerk in your take on things, often leading to your perceptions going up in smoke.

Back peddling? Hardly. Actually a simple case could be made, assuming a gene existed, that creates behavior preventing procreation, is indeed a defect.

You are such an arrogant asshole. And I have yet to see a quality justifying your arrogance.

But, I am glad to see you took a stand by your prejudice. Very manly of you.

Is procreation really a necessary ability to meaningfully fit in and contribute to society?

People who can but elect not to have kids. Defective?

 

[busybody..]

Not to mention a healthy dose of stupidity as well.

All par for the course for vetteman.

JEWS advocating POLICY that will lead to DEAD JEWS is a MENTAL DEFECT as well!

 

[cjh]

Gay people procreate all the time.

Excellent point.

 

[busybody..]

Excellent point.

Are GAYZ defective or not?

Again, not DEFECTIVE in a BAD/EVIL way, Im not saying that

BUT

Are they DEFECTIVE as in outside the NORM?

(dont gimme da shit what is norm?

 

[overthebow]

Are GAYZ defective or not?

Again, not DEFECTIVE in a BAD/EVIL way, Im not saying that

BUT

Are they DEFECTIVE as in outside the NORM?

(dont gimme da shit what is norm?

http://www.cheersboston.com/pub/images/fans_norm.jpg

 

[cjh]

Are GAYZ defective or not?

Again, not DEFECTIVE in a BAD/EVIL way, Im not saying that

BUT

Are they DEFECTIVE as in outside the NORM?

(dont gimme da shit what is norm?

It's a matter of semantics, isn't it?

Does defective simply mean outside the norm, or does it suggest some inferiority?

My blue eyes are outside the norm. Is that a defect?

 

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[busybody..]

It's a matter of semantics, isn't it?

Does defective simply mean outside the norm, or does it suggest some inferiority?

My blue eyes are outside the norm. Is that a defect?

Blue eyes are outside the norm, but NO ONE considers em a defect

Yes, GAYZ are outside the norm and are defective

NOT INFERIOR, but DEFECTIVE...........I dont consider GAYZ inferior

DOWN SYNDROME is INFERIOR!

 

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It can't be any one gene. Human sexuality is far too complex to be determined by a single gene. To think so (or to think that any scientist worth their salt is seriously suggesting it) shows a woeful ignorance of human sexuality, human genetics or both.




It's not a birth defect.

Assuming it's genetic, it's an immutable trait.

Not racism. But tantamount to racism. Sort of like discrimination based on gender.

Interesting that you used the word defect. What makes it a defect as opposed to being simply a different gene?

his red neck is showing.

"Normal" is subjective in ways that surprise me. Some deaf parents want their children to be deaf as well. Is that good or bad?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article3087367.ece

"DEAF parents should be allowed to screen their embryos so they can pick a deaf child over one that has all its senses intact, according to the chief executive of the Royal National Institute for Deaf and Hard of Hearing People (RNID).

Jackie Ballard, a former Liberal Democrat MP, says that although the vast majority of deaf parents would want a child who has normal hearing, a small minority of couples would prefer to create a child who is effectively disabled, to fit in better with the family lifestyle.

Ballard’s stance is likely to be welcomed by other deaf organisations, including the British Deaf Association (BDA), which is campaigning to amend government legislation to allow the creation of babies with disabilities. "

To me, this seems absolutely insane.

Would gay parents want to select to have gay children?

the deafness thing is interesting, primarily because many D/deaf people don't think of deafness as an impairment or disability (in the sociological sense) but as a different culture. most Deaf (as opposed to deaf) people that i have met are real full on radical extremists, but whilst a lot of them are opposed to cochlear implants, only a very few of them (usually not very bright ones) are in favour of genetic screening to 'create' deaf babies. This is mostly because as they are radical, they also recognise that such screening could be used to eliminate other babies with impairments which runs contra to their anti-disablist stance. Most deaf parents don't care if the kid is hearing or not.

likewise I would imagine a few not very bright gay parents would want gay children but the vast majority of gay people I know couldn't give a fuck as long as the kid is healthy. But again, like deafness, a single gene is not responsible for being gay.

 

[where]

For those of you who are not BB, it is Down Syndrome, not Downs Syndrome. It is caused by a baby having 47 chromosomes, not 46. It is not a single gene error.

Down's syndrome is also acceptable use. just cause he can't use the possessive properly, no need to pick on him

 

[Durkheim]

because HOMOZ are defective

are they NOT?

serious question

for one thing, they cant recreate

a person with one leg is defective

a person with Downs Syndrome is defective

etc etc

Is homosexuality a "defect?" First, to address your one thing...

Homosexuals can "recreate." There are countless examples of homosexuals having children. They have both the necessary parts and genetic materials. You confuse the trait of an individual with byproduct of the relationships.

While you label having one leg or downs syndrome as 'defective' I think you mean 'disabled.' I think your terminology of 'defective' and the comparison to a broken TV would pretty much offend anyone, be they wounded soldier, caregiver (Sarah Palin), or anyone else who has had to suffer through disability. These are human beings after all.

Lastly, you may like to think that homosexuality is a 'defect', but in the end what you think does not matter. The reason some things are considered disabilities and others are not is because biomedical institution recognizes them as such. While the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual published by the American Psychiatric Association used to consider homosexuality as a mental condition that was treatable, they no longer do. In other words, being gay is not considered to be defective by medical institutions.

Regarding the ethics of genetic screening for children generally, there are relatively few conditions that are currently screened for and all are considered serious medical conditions. Because being gay is not considered to be a medical condition by the vast majority of the medical establishment screening and aborting gay children would be as likely as screening for short people and aborting them.

Durk