AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH: Al is missing

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Some are saying Al Gore is buried beneath Global Warming ashes. Some are saying the resemblance to the ashes that buried Pompei is uncanny. Will archaeologists discover Al 2000 years from now, frozen in time wiping his ass out behind the house inside his green crapper?

 

[sr71plt]

You guys try too hard. Weather is an event; climate is a process. I'm not chicken little about global warming, but I don't stick my head in the sand in the face of it either.

 

[redgiantuk]

a bit of snow and everyone in the green quarter is a dipshit and everythings going to be hunkydorey.
Forget if climate change is man made or not, were going to run out of a hell of a lot of stuff over the coming century. Don't worry though, most of us will be dead. fuck the kids. (not literally obviosuly)

 

[PoppingTom]

JBJ, I think you need a good fuck to think of other things than democrats bashing all the time.

 

[TE999]

Some are saying Al Gore is buried beneath Global Warming ashes. Some are saying the resemblance to the ashes that buried Pompei is uncanny. Will archaeologists discover Al 2000 years from now, frozen in time wiping his ass out behind the house inside his green crapper?

Don't forget bullshit dries out after a while...Uncle Al will be dust in the wind.

 

[Huckleman2000]

The Daily Show does this so much better than I could.

 

[manyeyedhydra]

a bit of snow and everyone in the green quarter is a dipshit and everythings going to be hunkydorey.
Forget if climate change is man made or not, were going to run out of a hell of a lot of stuff over the coming century. Don't worry though, most of us will be dead. fuck the kids. (not literally obviosuly)

The kids'll be fine. They can eat each other.

 

[JackLuis]

Nobody ever said that Climate Change was only about heat. The earth's orbital position and size makes heat distribution a complex process, add sun spots and solar flares to the calculus and who the fuck can forecast more than 10 days in advance?

If our winters get colder and our summers hotter, average temps might stay roughly the same, but our plains states won't be as productive. And Canadian production will decrease.

All those Paki's, Chinese, and Indians will have to eat, something.

 

[Handley_Page]

The Daily Show does this so much better than I could.

would you care to put that on YouTube, please ?
I cannot get the images over here.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Nobody ever said that Climate Change was only about heat. The earth's orbital position and size makes heat distribution a complex process, add sun spots and solar flares to the calculus and who the fuck can forecast more than 10 days in advance?

If our winters get colder and our summers hotter, average temps might stay roughly the same, but our plains states won't be as productive. And Canadian production will decrease.

All those Paki's, Chinese, and Indians will have to eat, something.

MIGHT BE ANY COMBINATION OR PERMUTATION OF THE TWO, HUH?

 

[JackLuis]

MIGHT BE ANY COMBINATION OR PERMUTATION OF THE TWO, HUH?

Could be JB.

More likely that the controversy will last as long as people can make a living on it.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Could be JB.

More likely that the controversy will last as long as people can make a living on it.

God or the wolves are always stampeding the herd.

 

[JackLuis]

A weather man reacts.

Was looking for "Snowpocalypse" but couldn't find it.

 

[penandpaper]

Jesus Christ! Does anyone read read here (at leat those that dispute the facts)? Global warming is about, and has always been about global warming and global cooling. The two exist side-by-side.

Why does it take the jester of the group to explain to you and Ami about this?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Jesus Christ! Does anyone read read here (at leat those that dispute the facts)? Global warming is about, and has always been about global warming and global cooling. The two exist side-by-side.

Why does it take the jester of the group to explain to you and Ami about this?

What?

The two do not exist side-by-side. One follows the other.

 

[PoppingTom]

Why does it take the jester of the group to explain to you and Ami about this?

Imagine, they know the truth, they know that Global warming, with all of its effects, is real. Do you think this would change anything in their minds?

It's much easier, even for an over 50 years old, to make jokes about it, as he expect to be dead when changes take effect.

The two do not exist side-by-side. One follows the other.

There is a movie called "The day after tomorrow", which explains the whole thing with cooling and heating.

But hey, it's Hollywood made, and with a German director, so it CAN'T be true.

I know America from movies enough to know, there will always be people doing party until the big bang.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Do the Usual Suspects bother to look out the window? Its 26 degrees around Tampa this AM.

Usual Suspects believe everything perfessers say. It bears repeating: Back in the 70s the perfessers said that all queers are officially whackerdoodles. They said we were poised to enter a new Ice Age. They said all kinds of crazy shit.

 

[trysail]

The BBC interviews Professor Phil Jones.

Phil Jones is director of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA), which has been at the centre of the row over hacked e-mails. The BBC's environment analyst Roger Harrabin put questions to Professor Jones, including several gathered from climate sceptics.


Full interview:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8511670.stm

A - Do you agree that according to the global temperature record used by the IPCC, the rates of global warming from 1860-1880, 1910-1940 and 1975-1998 were identical?

Phil Jones: An initial point to make is that in the responses to these questions I've assumed that when you talk about the global temperature record, you mean the record that combines the estimates from land regions with those from the marine regions of the world. CRU produces the land component, with the Met Office Hadley Centre producing the marine component.

Temperature data for the period 1860-1880 are more uncertain, because of sparser coverage, than for later periods in the 20th Century. The 1860-1880 period is also only 21 years in length. As for the two periods 1910-40 and 1975-1998 the warming rates are not statistically significantly different (see numbers below).

I have also included the trend over the period 1975 to 2009, which has a very similar trend to the period 1975-1998.

So, in answer to the question, the warming rates for all 4 periods are similar and not statistically significantly different from each other...

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B - Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming

Phil Jones: Yes, but only just. I also calculated the trend for the period 1995 to 2009. This trend (0.12C per decade) is positive, but not significant at the 95% significance level. The positive trend is quite close to the significance level. Achieving statistical significance in scientific terms is much more likely for longer periods, and much less likely for shorter periods.

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D - Do you agree that natural influences could have contributed significantly to the global warming observed from 1975-1998, and, if so, please could you specify each natural influence and express its radiative forcing over the period in Watts per square metre.

Phil Jones:This area is slightly outside my area of expertise. When considering changes over this period we need to consider all possible factors (so human and natural influences as well as natural internal variability of the climate system). Natural influences (from volcanoes and the Sun) over this period could have contributed to the change over this period. Volcanic influences from the two large eruptions (El Chichon in 1982 and Pinatubo in 1991) would exert a negative influence. Solar influence was about flat over this period. Combining only these two natural influences, therefore, we might have expected some cooling over this period.

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G - There is a debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) was global or not. If it were to be conclusively shown that it was a global phenomenon, would you accept that this would undermine the premise that mean surface atmospheric temperatures during the latter part of the 20th Century were unprecedented?

Phil Jones: There is much debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent or not. The MWP is most clearly expressed in parts of North America, the North Atlantic and Europe and parts of Asia. For it to be global in extent the MWP would need to be seen clearly in more records from the tropical regions and the Southern Hemisphere. There are very few palaeoclimatic records for these latter two regions.

Of course, if the MWP was shown to be global in extent and as warm or warmer than today (based on an equivalent coverage over the NH and SH) then obviously the late-20th century warmth would not be unprecedented. On the other hand, if the MWP was global, but was less warm that today, then current warmth would be unprecedented.

We know from the instrumental temperature record that the two hemispheres do not always follow one another. We cannot, therefore, make the assumption that temperatures in the global average will be similar to those in the northern hemisphere.

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N - When scientists say "the debate on climate change is over", what exactly do they mean - and what don't they mean?

Phil Jones: It would be supposition on my behalf to know whether all scientists who say the debate is over are saying that for the same reason. I don't believe the vast majority of climate scientists think this. This is not my view. There is still much that needs to be undertaken to reduce uncertainties, not just for the future, but for the instrumental (and especially the palaeoclimatic) past as well.

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[PoppingTom]

Usual Suspects believe everything perfessers say.

Well, you're a Usual Suspect, too, but in the other direction.

Enjoy the sun of Tampa until the next hurricane. I love windy weather, really.

 

[penandpaper]

All right, too harsh of a comment. And no, it's not technically side-by-side, but I would hope that anyone could understand that I meant with severe global warming comes severe global cooling.

As for them there perfessors, who would you like us to beleive? Rush? Bill? Anyone who simply sounds like they know what they're talking about? I think I'll listen to the people who say they don't care - they seem to have the best advice.

 

[trysail]

Hurricane frequencies by decade ( through '04 ) are given below. The science of hurricane prediction has been greatly furthered by one of the most prominent AGW skeptics, William Gray, Ph.D. Gray's work produced quantitative models that are fairly accurate. Hurricane frequency has always been cyclical ( note the number of named storms in the 1921-30 decade and the 1941-50 decade. From the nadir in the '71-00 decades, Gray accurately predicted a pickup in their frequency in the '00s. Input variables include El Nino.

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/hurr_list.png

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Imagine, they know the truth, they know that Global warming, with all of its effects, is real. Do you think this would change anything in their minds?

It's much easier, even for an over 50 years old, to make jokes about it, as he expect to be dead when changes take effect.



There is a movie called "The day after tomorrow", which explains the whole thing with cooling and heating.

But hey, it's Hollywood made, and with a German director, so it CAN'T be true.

I know America from movies enough to know, there will always be people doing party until the big bang.

First, never believe anything from Hollywood - unless otherwise stated everything is fiction.

Two, the big bang is what got us here in the first place.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

All right, too harsh of a comment. And no, it's not technically side-by-side, but I would hope that anyone could understand that I meant with severe global warming comes severe global cooling.

As for them there perfessors, who would you like us to beleive? Rush? Bill? Anyone who simply sounds like they know what they're talking about? I think I'll listen to the people who say they don't care - they seem to have the best advice.

so tell me what is Al a perfessor of?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Well, you're a Usual Suspect, too, but in the other direction.

Enjoy the sun of Tampa until the next hurricane. I love windy weather, really.

Hurricanes are an interest of mine and I have several books on the subject plus newspaper clippings going back to the 1700s. We had a flurry of activity in 2004-2005 but little since then.

But I know this much: The Gulf isnt rising down the street from me, and it was 26 degrees F this morning. Last summer was warm but it usually is. And Florida had much worse winters and summers a century ago. The record temp was -2F in 1899, and there was ice in the Gulf.

 

[JackLuis]

Hurricanes are an interest of mine and I have several books on the subject plus newspaper clippings going back to the 1700s. We had a flurry of activity in 2004-2005 but little since then.

But I know this much: The Gulf isnt rising down the street from me, and it was 26 degrees F this morning. Last summer was warm but it usually is. And Florida had much worse winters and summers a century ago. The record temp was -2F in 1899, and there was ice in the Gulf.

And you say it isn't getting warmer?