Wal-Mart: Rolling back decency

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"Not every confrontation that a gay person experiences in their life is based on their orientation. But sometimes it is very difficult to see any other possible explanation.

Take the experience that Joe Paolucci, Thomas Hitchcock, and their special need twins had recently with Wal-Mart.

Employees at the Niles, MI Wal-Mart store accused Paolucci of shoplifting some Bic lighters. Although he produced the receipt, they refused to back down, insisting that the two men go to a “detention room”. The employees, using vulgarities and hostility, frightened their special needs kids. (South Bend Tribune)

Paolucci said that while he and Hitchcock were attempting to calm down the boys, the employees ordered them to enter a “detention room” for questioning. Fearful of what might happen behind closed doors, he and Hitchcock refused to enter and asked to speak to a manager.

“Some guy came up and said, ‘I’m the manager,’ then turned around and left,” Hitchcock said.

Paolucci said he and Hitchcock then asked store personnel to call police. Within minutes, deputies from the Berrien County Sheriff’s Department’s Niles Township Patrol arrived, pleasing Paolucci who said he thought a few questions and a review of the store’s videotapes and computer records would quickly resolve the matter.

He said he was shocked when he was immediately handcuffed, without a question being asked, and placed in the back seat of a squad car. Hitchcock wasn’t handcuffed but also was placed in the back seat of a second squad car.

The twins, despite the protests of Paolucci and Hitchcock, were turned over to the store’s security personnel, who took them into the “detention room” or what police referred to as a security room.

A review of the security tapes proved that Paolucci and Hitchcock had done no wrong. So the store management profusely apologized and expressed their remose, right? No. They did not.

The two said they expected an apology and were surprised once again when personnel from the store walked up to the squad cars with the twins and read from a statement that Paolucci and Hitchcock had been banned by the store chain for life. Rather than shoplifting, the reason they were given was “being uncooperative.”

By the time they were read the statement, Paolucci and Hitchcock said, the twins had told them that the security staff had allegedly threatened them in the security room and had made disparaging remarks about Paolucci and Hitchcock’s lifestyle. Paolucci and Hitchcock said they asked police to take statements from the boys but the officers refused, telling the couple they’d have to contact Child Protective Services.

Wal-Mart even refused to replace frozen items that had now thawed due to their unprovoked misuse of their customers. Nor did the situation end at the harassment of the couple at the store.

Paolucci said the boys have suffered a type of post-traumatic stress disorder since the experience. Both wet their beds, although one has stopped, and both have had nightmares about one security employee in particular, he said.

“They’re terrified, horrified. We’ve had to change their medication twice,” he said.

And what does Wal-Mart corporate have to say?

Paolucci and Hitchcock e-mailed The Tribune a copy of a letter from a law firm representing Wal-Mart seeking 10 times the retail price of the items the store still claims were shoplifted by Paolucci. The letter states the matter will be dropped if Paolucci submits the $158.40 payment.

Now this is not the first time that Wal-Mart has been perceived as hostile to gay Americans. In 2007, HRC advised against giving our business to Wal-Mart, and just in April of this year, the CEO signed his name to a petition to ban gay couples from adopting.

Wal-Mart doesn’t care about my opinion. And there’s little I can do to impact their decision to treat gay customers with hostility.

But perhaps there are those, even in Niles, MI, who will decide that this situation is just one too many. That they cannot give their custom to bad neighbors. That it may be worth an extra nickle and a further drive to frequent the stores that do not abuse customers solely because they “disapprove of their lifestyle” and who admit it and apologize when they are wrong.

All I can do is spread the word."

My roommate just showed me this article and it has seriously enraged me to the point that I've decided I will not shop at Wal-Mart any longer. I've shopped there for years, I even scoffed at people who boycott Wal-Mart because of their business practices, but this.... This blatant disregard to humanity and flagrant indecency toward those gentlemen and their children has given my conscience the giant shove it needed to lead me to other retailers for my needs. I hope the good people of this forum read this and consider their own relationship with Wal-Mart.
 
Yeah, saw that story...if it was just the local store I wouldn't care, but given that corporate is also up to no good, I don't like it.
 
Yes, I think that is the thing that drove me to my decision. If the corporation can tolerate and even support that sort of behavior they're definitely not someplace I'm going to support with my hard earned fagdollars.
 
That's a much better term than purple money...I think I will start using that!
 
Something just doesn't seem right with this whole story. For instance, how did they know the guys were gay? It isn't like we have a giant zit on our faces. When I was googling there was one comment that said the original problem was that the bic lighter didn't scan. Then at some point the guys started yelling at the staff. I'm not saying gays should be treated unfairly. I just wish there were more corroborating witnesses to explain what happened.
 
Sounds like this needs to spread around and a boycott enacted.

I'm not going to Walmart again - ever.
 
Just like racism , then homophobia is still alive and kicking just more covert now a days. But it is still there , so yeah it is time to boycott those homophobic companies, firms you fucking name it. But Joe Schmoe and and Joanna with the same surname does get give not a shit. They buy there whether it is this or that. Cause to them it is cheap, so that is the reason why the big people always survive.

But still it concerns me deeply, when the man on the floor has nothing to say or do in these cases, except sue the living shit out of the big people in USA.
So what to do, what to do.
 
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There is the question of affordability, it's true. Some people shop at Wal-Mart because they can't afford to shop elsewhere. Their prices are cheap, you can't deny that. Of course they're cheap because they drive out their competitors and treat their employees like crap, but when you're struggling financially, you don't have the luxury of buying on conscience - you have to buy what you can afford.
 
There is the question of affordability, it's true. Some people shop at Wal-Mart because they can't afford to shop elsewhere. Their prices are cheap, you can't deny that. Of course they're cheap because they drive out their competitors and treat their employees like crap, but when you're struggling financially, you don't have the luxury of buying on conscience - you have to buy what you can afford.

Actually..they're not as cheap as one might think. Last Christmas, Mom and I gave out baked goods for distant family and friends. We were shopping at Walmart and realized we needed more apples for a cake we were going to bake when we got home. We stopped over at the fruit/veggie area and found a bag of Gala apples - they wanted SIX dollars for it.

We went to HEB minutes later (Texas run grocery store, they use local farmers first for produce and meats before importing)...we got the same bag, same weight..for 2.50

Most people choose Walmart because it's all in one and Walmart knows it. They've raised prices for things and don't care about their customers. I tried to get them to carry some better bread for diabetics (before idiot ex left) and they pretty much treated me like a moron.

If people will shop around...they can find better bargains than what Walmart offers. Compare flyers, clip coupons..it makes a difference and you can avoid places like Walmart!
 
Wal-Mart has apples?? I've seen frozen and non-perishable foods at Target, and I figure Wal-Mart has food too, but I didn't know they had PRODUCE.

Honestly I don't know much about the prices at WM, because I don't usually shop there - I'm more a Target fan, though they are very similar. I've generally heard that WM is cheaper than Target and other stores (except wholesalers like Costco/Sam's/BJ's) and I think for some products it probably is. Of course the quality is crap, but so is Target's...
 
I guess I'm lucky, I do our shopping at an actual grocery store. Yeah they are actually still around even, not that target or walmart want you to know that. :rolleyes:

I've gone grocery shopping in walmart before, the quality is crap, they are kinda good for soda and snacks and so forth, but actual meats or produce heck no I aint going there. Unless I got no choice. There is a target right up the street from us, across the street from the grocery store I shop at, I've checked in there, taters are good and they have good prices on coke 24 packs but overall the quality isn't really there in the food. The prices were pretty close to the grocery store, but the quality was not close.

Granted meat and produce quality relies alot on the person getting them for the store, but well target and walmart are competitive/cheaper because they order in bulk, they are all using the same company to get food products. Grocery stores far as I know order at each store, why you can find different stuff at the same store in different places.
 
Wal-Mart has apples?? I've seen frozen and non-perishable foods at Target, and I figure Wal-Mart has food too, but I didn't know they had PRODUCE.

Honestly I don't know much about the prices at WM, because I don't usually shop there - I'm more a Target fan, though they are very similar. I've generally heard that WM is cheaper than Target and other stores (except wholesalers like Costco/Sam's/BJ's) and I think for some products it probably is. Of course the quality is crap, but so is Target's...

Super Walmarts have complete grocery stores inside and most items are about 25% less than the Ingles here. I don't buy meat there because it's always high and Ingles is all the time having skinless chicken for less than half price. Some things I just won't buy at Ingles. Why should I pay 13.98 for coffee when I can get the same bag for 9.98 at Walmart?

I walk there when it's cold. One lap around the inside is 600 yards. A track is 440 yards.
 
*sigh* sad to say i work there? *bows* i apologise profusely for my employers but they give me money (which i really need) but there are definately problems with the company sometimes... i also think it has to do with where the store is located... my store's in MA and although we bitch and complain to each other we're very nice to the customes otherwise our bosses yell at us... i mean come on you going and buying stuff supports my paycheck why wouldn't i be nice and help you?.... no one gives me problems for my being a lesbian either... (although it went around the cashiers as a rumour and some of the guys were dissapointed lol) like i said i think it's partly the ideals of where you live as well as the company not policing it's stores/workers as well as it should at times...
 
*sigh* sad to say i work there? *bows* i apologise profusely for my employers but they give me money (which i really need) but there are definately problems with the company sometimes... i also think it has to do with where the store is located... my store's in MA and although we bitch and complain to each other we're very nice to the customes otherwise our bosses yell at us... i mean come on you going and buying stuff supports my paycheck why wouldn't i be nice and help you?.... no one gives me problems for my being a lesbian either... (although it went around the cashiers as a rumour and some of the guys were dissapointed lol) like i said i think it's partly the ideals of where you live as well as the company not policing it's stores/workers as well as it should at times...
Hey, nobody blames you here! Employees aren't responsibility for corporate's fuckups.
 
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