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It's a tough call, so I teach her an objectivist-orientated philosophy of government instead (capitalism, which she understands very well at this point; I borrow from her for lunch.
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It's a tough call, so I teach her an objectivist-orientated philosophy of government instead (capitalism, which she understands very well at this point; I borrow from her for lunch.
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RobDownSouth
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Good God, Ish, Manu just got the Lit Irony Meter repaired and comments like that are gonna make it a-splode all over again!
Face it, my boy, "debating politics" and "distorting history" are completely interchangeable concepts for the likes of extremists like you.
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Dooooo it. Embrace your "inner coward"!
Retreat under heavy counter-fire...."advance to the rear"!
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Final declaration, dated July 21, 1954, of the Geneva Conference
"In order to insure that sufficient progress in the restoration of peace has been made, and that all the necessary conditions obtain for free expression of the national will, general elections shall be held in July 1956, under the supervision of an international commission composed of representatives of the member states of the International Supervisory Commission referred to in the agreement on the cessation of hostilities. Consultations will be held on this subject between the competent representative authorities of the two zones from April 20, 1955, onwards."
from The Department of State Bulletin, XXXI, No. 788 (August 2, 1954), p. 164.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1954-geneva-indochina.html
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"I have never talked or corresponded with a person knowledgeable in Indochinese affairs who did not agree that had elections been held as of the time of the fighting, possibly 80 per cent of the population would have voted for the Communist Ho Chi Minh as their leader."
Source: Dwight D. Eisenhower, Mandate for Change, 1953-56 (Garden City, NY: Doubleday & Compnay, Inc., 1963), p. 372
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/vietnam/ddeho.htm
"In order to insure that sufficient progress in the restoration of peace has been made, and that all the necessary conditions obtain for free expression of the national will, general elections shall be held in July 1956, under the supervision of an international commission composed of representatives of the member states of the International Supervisory Commission referred to in the agreement on the cessation of hostilities. Consultations will be held on this subject between the competent representative authorities of the two zones from April 20, 1955, onwards."
from The Department of State Bulletin, XXXI, No. 788 (August 2, 1954), p. 164.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1954-geneva-indochina.html
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"I have never talked or corresponded with a person knowledgeable in Indochinese affairs who did not agree that had elections been held as of the time of the fighting, possibly 80 per cent of the population would have voted for the Communist Ho Chi Minh as their leader."
Source: Dwight D. Eisenhower, Mandate for Change, 1953-56 (Garden City, NY: Doubleday & Compnay, Inc., 1963), p. 372
http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/vietnam/ddeho.htm
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Free fire zones in the Vietnam conflict
The Viet Cong had to operate clandestinely because they were out gunned, and because the U.S. Air Force controlled the skies.
You said earlier that both sides committed atrocities. Do not argue with me about that 80%. Argue with President Eisenhower.
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Returning veterans, affected civilians and others have said that U.S. Military Assistance Command, Vietnam MACV, based on the assumption that all friendly forces had been cleared from the area, established a policy designating "free-fire zones" as areas in which:
* Anyone unidentified is considered an enemy combatant
* Soldiers were to shoot anyone moving around after curfew, without first making sure that they were hostile.
Since such encounters could result in the deaths of innocent civilians, it would have been a violation of the Geneva Convention to have had such a policy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-fire_zone
The Viet Cong had to operate clandestinely because they were out gunned, and because the U.S. Air Force controlled the skies.
You said earlier that both sides committed atrocities. Do not argue with me about that 80%. Argue with President Eisenhower.
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Returning veterans, affected civilians and others have said that U.S. Military Assistance Command, Vietnam MACV, based on the assumption that all friendly forces had been cleared from the area, established a policy designating "free-fire zones" as areas in which:
* Anyone unidentified is considered an enemy combatant
* Soldiers were to shoot anyone moving around after curfew, without first making sure that they were hostile.
Since such encounters could result in the deaths of innocent civilians, it would have been a violation of the Geneva Convention to have had such a policy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-fire_zone
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RobDownSouth
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You know, gramps, if you had fought half as hard for America in Vietnam as you do here fighting against America, we might've won in Vietnam.
But you didn't, and we didn't.
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I'd pay money to see and hear you say that face to face...for the record Robert McNamara and his bosses lost Vietnam
Take down that attractive young female in your AV and put up the skinny young white male you really want to use
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Eisenhower caused the war. The United States did not deserve to win. Before dying Robert McNamara acknowledged that the United States should have pulled out in 1963.
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it's like the playground in here.
here's a question. someone... ofrget who said a couple of pages back that what Obama should have done was negotiated with the Taliban. If he had done that, wouldn't he have been crucified for talking to terrorists and becoming the lap dog of Al Qaida?
not being contentious, promise, just curious.
here's a question. someone... ofrget who said a couple of pages back that what Obama should have done was negotiated with the Taliban. If he had done that, wouldn't he have been crucified for talking to terrorists and becoming the lap dog of Al Qaida?
not being contentious, promise, just curious.
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He shoulda said the hell with all of them and pulled out.
On a cost-benefit basis the money we have spent on "the war on terror" would have saved a lot more lives if it had been used for driver education programs.
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I was referring to fucking stupid personal insults which even by MY standards are beyond pathetic.
this post.....
Obama should have listened to Karzai and negotiated WITH the Taliban for peace in Kabul and on the highways instead of opting for death for our troops!
The ones he said Bush BROKE!!!
what would have been the reaction of the american right wing if he had actually done this? Somehow I don't think he would have been given any praise at all.
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I agree. I can understand WHY we went into Afghanistan, like I can understand why someone would want to kill the murderer of their child, but I think it was totally the wrong thing to do.
I think I read it's one of three countries that has never been conquered by an outside force.
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One of your country-men, learned this the hard way. His name was William Elphinstone. You should look up the thread I started.
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You're going to have to grow some harder bark to survive in here dear. That was fairly mild.
you aren't going to answer?
waiting to hear the consensus first?
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Oh, OK so he was being sarcastic. gottcha.
Does that mean you think obama should just pull out and leave them to it?
