Why are they so many American Jews here?

[Netzach]

There's this great divide between "The South" and "The Deep South," too. I guess, geographically, you could say WV is "The South," but I don't really think so. I also don't count VA as "The South," either, so maybe I'm not the right person to ask.

"The Deep South" is, like, GA, AL, MS, the southern part of TN, and maybe parts of LA and AR. (Don't know too much about LA and AR, so I can't say much about them, sorry.) Even in the Deep South, there are cultural differences, mostly between the upcountry (of the Appalachian foothills) and the lowcountry (of the flatter land to the south). I can listen to people's accents and tell you WHERE in AL they're from. Creepy.

I, personally, grew up on the line between upcountry and lowcountry and have all the obnoxious, rednecky traits of both. I'm a cultural mess.

I can see VA and northern MD falling off maybe, sort of, I guess I just have a hard time seeing WV fall off the map of "The South."

 

[Netzach]

(nonsequitur, other than possible stereotype) I'm trying to get to Richmond in April, why is an orbitz package like 650? I could go to London.

 

[WriterDom]

WV?

How is that Yankee?

Explain to the totally unenlightened.

Because West Virginia broke away and became a state in 1863 and joined the Union.

No you can't fucking have Virginia.
Just because you stole Robert E. Lee's plantation doesn't mean you get his entire state! Later he did get some money out of congress for it.

 

[Netzach]

Because West Virginia broke away and became a state in 1863 and joined the Union.

No you can't fucking have Virginia.
Just because you stole Robert E. Lee's plantation doesn't mean you get his entire state! Later he did get some money out of congress for it.

Ok ok, everyone seems to want to get rid of it whenever it comes up. Like it's really DC.

I dunno. H is MD and defines himself as Southern because if 80 percent of your childhood comfort food involves bacon fat and an onion to start, that's his criteria.

I say this as someone whose childhood comfort food starts with chicken fat and an onion.

 

[Noor]

Arguing as a means towards understanding carries on the traditions of Hillel and Shammai and is an intergal part of the midrash

Parts of the south have a long history of Jewish residents, to quote wiki regarding SC:
"There is a long history of Jews in Charleston, South Carolina. The charter of the Carolina Colony, drawn up by John Locke in 1669, granted liberty of conscience to all settlers, expressly mentioning "Jews, heathens, and dissenters."

 

[Netzach]

Arguing as a means towards understanding carries on the traditions of Hillel and Shammai and is an intergal part of the midrash

Parts of the south have a long history of Jewish residents, to quote wiki regarding SC:
"There is a long history of Jews in Charleston, South Carolina. The charter of the Carolina Colony, drawn up by John Locke in 1669, granted liberty of conscience to all settlers, expressly mentioning "Jews, heathens, and dissenters."

It's true. I know a bunch of Jewish Southerners (Nashville, Nashville counts, still, right?) who are kind of bored by the NYC centric nature of the assumed identity.

 

[WriterDom]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowest-income_counties_in_the_United_States

South Dakota must be a miserable place. 5 of the top 7 poorest counties. Indian country I guess. I'd take West Virginia first.

HBO or PBS, someone, did I thing on West Virginia and holy fuck it's pretty bad in some areas.

 

[Netzach]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowest-income_counties_in_the_United_States

South Dakota must be a miserable place. 5 of the top 7 poorest counties. Indian country I guess. I'd take West Virginia first.

HBO or PBS, someone, did I thing on West Virginia and holy fuck it's pretty bad in some areas.

SD - It's pretty grim, with intermittent beautiful stuff. If there's a Midwestern (Great Lakes) county on that list, it's almost guaranteed to be primarily Native people.

 

[graceanne]

(nonsequitur, other than possible stereotype) I'm trying to get to Richmond in April, why is an orbitz package like 650? I could go to London.

Holy Cow!

 

[JMohegan]

No you can't fucking have Virginia.

Ahh, but it's so damn bluuuuuuuuue now, WD! Two Senators and an electoral college check in the D column.

* cue fireworks and sounds of unadulterated joy expressed through screaming *

Pardon me for gloating. I worked damn hard to make it so.

 

[JMohegan]

Why does everyone think of WV as such this shithole kind of place? I mean, yeah, grinding poverty for sure, but as far as natural beauty not even PA has as much.

Aside from Harper's Ferry, I've never been.

My current view of the state is driven by polling stats and by clips/brief interviews with the populace, seen in Politico links or on television. Not fair, surely, but jarring nevertheless.

 

[00Syd]

hee hee - but I know where




hey - it just crossed my mind that I have at least one Jewish pair of panties

Want another

 

[Shankara20]

Want another

you know damn good and well the answer to that question

 

[BiBunny]

It's true. I know a bunch of Jewish Southerners (Nashville, Nashville counts, still, right?) who are kind of bored by the NYC centric nature of the assumed identity.

Yes, yes, Nashville still counts.

 

[00Syd]

you know damn good and well the answer to that question

PM me an address, promise me some photos, and their yours I'm always willing yo help out a friend, that's how big my heart is

 

[Shankara20]

PM me an address, promise me some photos, and their yours I'm always willing yo help out a friend, that's how big my heart is

I'm already standing by my mail box

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Part of me is already standing by my mail box

Fixed that for ya.

 

[Shankara20]

Fixed that for ya.

exactly

 

[Homburg]

True, she is a hottie potawtie.

Even hotter in person (much like another Jewish girl or three that I've met from lit)

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That's why I said this thread's funny. You're going "Oh my god, look at all these Jews!" and I'm going "Southerners galore, holy shit!"

Lots of southerners are stuck in Bible Belt towns with no real access to kink-friendly social circles. The net becomes a good social outlet.

And very few people in those light blue states, LEATS of all those in WV, would consider WV southern. My aunt S would positively slap somebody if they suggested it. Admittedly, she's a transplant from PA, but she's lived in WV longer than she ever did PA.

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hey - it just crossed my mind that I have at least one Jewish pair of panties

I have a few myself. Of course the ones I have are generally not in any condition to wear as they were usually removed with a knife...

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Why does everyone think of WV as such this shithole kind of place? I mean, yeah, grinding poverty for sure, but as far as natural beauty not even PA has as much.

There are some really frighteningly shitty places in WV, and the economy is horrid. Goodness it's pretty though. Wow.

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There's this great divide between "The South" and "The Deep South," too. I guess, geographically, you could say WV is "The South," but I don't really think so. I also don't count VA as "The South," either, so maybe I'm not the right person to ask.

The history books would likely have something to say with you about VA and the South. Moreover, I can drive 40 minutes *north* of where I am and find deep south rednecks that would put the worst to shame. No neck is redder than a Guinea crabber.

 

[Etoile]

I'm not a Jewish American, I'm Jewish-American. YMMV.

 

[JMohegan]

And very few people in those light blue states, LEATS of all those in WV, would consider WV southern. My aunt S would positively slap somebody if they suggested it. Admittedly, she's a transplant from PA, but she's lived in WV longer than she ever did PA.

What makes a place southern? I'm interested to know what this means to southerners, from a cultural perspective.

Knowing little about the culture itself, I perceive "southern" in largely political terms. If a state is physically located in the south, and most of its counties went for Huckabee over McCain in the primary, or if an alarmingly big chunk of the citizenry thinks Palin's just superfantastic, or if white democrats & white independents voted for Obama in significantly lower percentages than those demographics voted for Obama in the country as a whole in November, that's "southern" to me. And why I don't think of Miami or Research Triangle Park or Northern VA as southern - geography notwithstanding.

 

[Recidiva]

Northern Virginia is actually mid-Atlantic. I hear you about Northern Florida, but I've been to both Miami and Richmond and its just sooo not the same.

Quit trying to pawn off W VA! Tell you what - why don't we just lump it in with Ohio and PA and make it a rust belt state.

Not even Yankees celebrate a transfer to NJ.

I grew up in a beautiful spot in NJ.

I swear, Saturday Night Live has a lot to answer for.

My mom grew up in Baton Rouge and loves New Jersey. So there.

I'm going to go Cry, Beloved State.

 

[the captians wench]

That's why I said this thread's funny. You're going "Oh my god, look at all these Jews!" and I'm going "Southerners galore, holy shit!"

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa78/johnmohegan/regions.jpg

I always knew Ohio was a midwest state, but never understood it. We just don't seem west enough in my mind. Tho we are too west to be the east coast, and too north to be a southern state. But you have to admit, West Virgina and Kentucky and a few others are pretty north.

But then again, I always sucked at geography. Especially in that area where all the states are square.

 

[JMohegan]

I grew up in a beautiful spot in NJ.

I swear, Saturday Night Live has a lot to answer for.

My mom grew up in Baton Rouge and loves New Jersey. So there.

I'm going to go Cry, Beloved State.

The Turnpike has a lot to answer for! What were they thinking, routing most visitors through the swamp and the stench and the sludge?

The Princeton area is lovely, and parts of northern Jersey are absolutely gorgeous.

The shopping areas in the 'burbs of Manhattan are totally not my thing, but for mall fans I could see nirvana.

I'm straining to comment politely about Newark. Best I can come up with is to offer sympathy for the fact that it exists in the shadow of the greatest city on earth.

 

[Recidiva]

The Turnpike has a lot to answer for! What were they thinking, routing most visitors through the swamp and the stench and the sludge?

The Princeton area is lovely, and parts of northern Jersey are absolutely gorgeous.

The shopping areas in the 'burbs of Manhattan are totally not my thing, but for mall fans I could see nirvana.

I'm straining to comment politely about Newark. Best I can come up with is to offer sympathy for the fact that it exists in the shadow of the greatest city on earth.

No, Newark sucks. But every body has an armpit and an asshole. Take your pick.

But Princeton (where my dad worked) and Morristown (where I grew up) areas are gorgeous. And "The Garden State" isn't an ironic name.

I shall now make a personally observed and heartfelt complaint:

"Nobody feels bad ragging on NJ! We're the only oppressed people remaining!"

Why is it okay, people?! WHY!?!