Desert Eagle

[curious2c]

I've been watching some desert eagles near where I work. They're amazing in that they can maneuver so well in windy conditions. I think that they're Golden Eagles, but I'm not certain. I've tried to capture them on film, but haven't had the right kind of circumstances show up to allow good shots.




Oh... you meant Desert Eagle Handguns... heh heh heh. Mybad.




I've shot several, liking the .50, but the .44 felt really good in my hand too. Considering things, I'd like to own one myself.

 

[y=mx+b]

I personally have the 45-70 revolver on my wish list.

 

[foodsnob]

Anyone have any experience with them? I just read the wiki and was kind of fascinated. Comments?

50 cal side arm, right?

I saw one in a John Candy movie once. According to the movie, they aren't legal in all 50 states. That's all I got.

 

[curious2c]

I personally have the 45-70 revolver on my wish list.

Shot one of those too... didn't like the way it twisted in my hands, and though intimidating... a tad bit expensive. Still, well built. I think the one I shot was made by Cassual. Can't remember. Dude that had it had wrists like hams. Huge arms, forearms, hands and the gun looked small in them.

 

[bronzeage]

Ive handled one but did not have the chance to fire it...I can only say that from my experience that the feel of the gun frame its self is terribly cumbersome. Im not short on muscle either, but the weight of the gun (its around 11 pounds) at arms length makes it neither fast nor comfortable. As were speaking of the chassy weight... recoil control is not the issue. Testimony has said that the recoil is not that bad (the .454 casull kicks harder). Tracking your target from left to right..however if you have a thinking aggressor he will close the distance moving from the right to the left which makes it harder to control. The guns appeal is intimidation factor to your aggressor thats all.

I think you hit it on the head with that one. If the basic utility of a handgun is either to kill or prevent from being killed, I would want one which was easy to handle and accurate.

I don't think anyone ever looked at an opponent and said, "I better not shoot him, he has a bigger gun then me."

 

[kevintn]

The weight and cost per round are deterrents in my opinion.

 

[popcorn2721]

50 cal side arm, right?

I saw one in a John Candy movie once. According to the movie, they aren't legal in all 50 states. That's all I got.

right...not legal in IL

Ya gotta love gun shows though... go outa state and you can see a shit load of really neat hardware.

 

[stickwork]

Anyone have any experience with them? I just read the wiki and was kind of fascinated. Comments?

Probably an excellent choice to have around the house. Neighbors' kids will love. If you have kids then they'll find the key to your trigger lock - if you have one.

And they stop home invaders - because when you're dead, you've no home to be invaded.

 

[unregistered]

 

[popcorn2721]

Don't waste your time or your money.

I think they were 1100 new back when they first came out...after checking gun broker, it looks like they are going for around 1200 now. For that price one could do much, much better IMHO. Personally, Im diggin on this little baby here...I dont own her which is why Im talking about it on here but, you cannot go wrong with an H&K.
http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/100644000/100644807/pix3765783515.jpg

 

[stickwork]

I think they were 1100 new back when they first came out...after checking gun broker, it looks like they are going for around 1200 now. For that price one could do much, much better IMHO. Personally, Im diggin on this little baby here...I dont own her which is why Im talking about it on here but, you cannot go wrong with an H&K.
http://san1.atlanta.gbhinc.com/GB/100644000/100644807/pix3765783515.jpg

Get em out of a trunk. Numbers filed off.

 

[Collette]

If I'm spending that kind of money, it's going to Kimber.

 

[The Heretic]

I love this stuff. Who, exactly, was it, who sat down one day and said, "Hmmm. .338 of an inch is perfect! .339 is just a little too much, and .337 doesn't quite have the oomph I need, but man, that .338, damn. That's the ideal diameter of a bullet, baby."

.223 is just right for a military weapon. Those extra .003 of an inch made all the difference.

7.62 mm...

etc.

What the fuck is wrong with whole numbers? Ish's favorite gun is a 7mm. Wouldn't a 7.00000002 mm be better?

Cartridge and firearm manufacturers cast about for the better sounding cartridge name all the time. They do try for round numbers. For example, the bullet diameter of the .38 Special is actually 0.357 to 0.358 inches approximately - hence the .357 Magnum. The 9MM is 0.355 inches approximately. The .44 Magnum is 0.429 inches approximately. The .45 ACP is .451 to .452 approximately, whereas the .45 Colt is .451 to .454 inches approximately.

Most 7MM rifle projectiles are actually 7.2 millimeters - it just sounds better to use the simple 7MM. The 7.62 MM is 7.62MM because that is .30 caliber - actually .308 to .309 inches. Then there is the British .30 caliber which is called .303 Enfield which is actually .311 inches in diameter - the difference? The .303 is the diameter of the rifle bore measured between the lands whereas the bullet diameter is usually very close or identical to the diameter of the barrel measured from the bottom of the groove to the bottom of another groove.

The .338 Magnum is actually .339 inches - but .338 sounds better.

The name is an approximate indicator, but not always reliable. If you are creating a new cartridge based on an old cartridge, you tweak it a little - hence you get the .454 Cassull which is basically a .45 Colt Magnum.

Also, the tolerance allows for various differences. There is so much of a difference in the .45 Colt not only because it is an old cartridge but because lead projectiles can be a larger diameter than jacketed bullets because they can squeeze down more when fired.

The .223 Remington is called the .223 Remington because there was already a .222 Remington Magnum and for various reasons I won't go into here they wanted a slightly different cartridge and name - although the two are almost identical in dimensions and the first Armalites (AR-15/AR-16) that were the prototypes for the M16 were chambered for the .222 Remington Magnum.

As for the actual sizes chose - many have to do with ballistics calculations with regards to the optimal bullet mass vs. the diameter. The 6MM to 7MM diameter projectiles (approximate size) are thought to be very ballistically ideal for the mass of the projectiles desired. So they are very popular. There was a British study which I am a fan of that came to the conclusion that the ideal Assault Rifle cartridge would fire a 6 to 6.5 MM projectile with approx. 100 to 130 grains of mass at approx. 2300 to 2700 feet per second. This study was done about 50 years ago and we still haven't adopted its conclusions (which a lot of experts have stated were correct) because it is not worth it to the military to rechamber our rifles. A lot of people have provided cartridges and rifles based on this study.

The Soviets basically copied the USA - they went to their own .22 caliber cartridge for their Kalashnikovs when their 7.62x39 cartridge was almost ideal. If they had chosen a 6MM cartridge instead they would have had the almost perfect assault rifle.

 

[The Heretic]

Ive handled one but did not have the chance to fire it...I can only say that from my experience that the feel of the gun frame its self is terribly cumbersome. Im not short on muscle either, but the weight of the gun (its around 11 pounds) at arms length makes it neither fast nor comfortable.

Depending on the cartridge chambered for, they are around 4 pounds, not eleven.

 

[Peregrinator]

50 cal side arm, right?

I saw one in a John Candy movie once. According to the movie, they aren't legal in all 50 states. That's all I got.

Yeah, and in "Snatch."

There are a bunch of people out there experimenting with cartridges, loadings, and bullet weights.

The .223 is a child of the 'bench rest' crowd. A group that started out as eastern folk that shot ground hogs that were tearing up their pastures. A low recoil, highly accurate cartridge with high fangibility.

The .338 is an off shoot of the ole 8mm Mauser. Belted case with a higher powder capacity.

The numbers are used to differintiate one cartridge from another. Sometimes for marketing, sometimes for safety. For example, there is no difference in bore specifications between the .280 and the 7mm.

Ishmael

Cartridge and firearm manufacturers cast about for the better sounding cartridge name all the time. They do try for round numbers. For example, the bullet diameter of the .38 Special is actually 0.357 to 0.358 inches approximately - hence the .357 Magnum. The 9MM is 0.355 inches approximately. The .44 Magnum is 0.429 inches approximately. The .45 ACP is .451 to .452 approximately, whereas the .45 Colt is .451 to .454 inches approximately.

Most 7MM rifle projectiles are actually 7.2 millimeters - it just sounds better to use the simple 7MM. The 7.62 MM is 7.62MM because that is .30 caliber - actually .308 to .309 inches. Then there is the British .30 caliber which is called .303 Enfield which is actually .311 inches in diameter - the difference? The .303 is the diameter of the rifle bore measured between the lands whereas the bullet diameter is usually very close or identical to the diameter of the barrel measured from the bottom of the groove to the bottom of another groove.

The .338 Magnum is actually .339 inches - but .338 sounds better.

The name is an approximate indicator, but not always reliable. If you are creating a new cartridge based on an old cartridge, you tweak it a little - hence you get the .454 Cassull which is basically a .45 Colt Magnum.

Also, the tolerance allows for various differences. There is so much of a difference in the .45 Colt not only because it is an old cartridge but because lead projectiles can be a larger diameter than jacketed bullets because they can squeeze down more when fired.

The .223 Remington is called the .223 Remington because there was already a .222 Remington Magnum and for various reasons I won't go into here they wanted a slightly different cartridge and name - although the two are almost identical in dimensions and the first Armalites (AR-15/AR-16) that were the prototypes for the M16 were chambered for the .222 Remington Magnum.

As for the actual sizes chose - many have to do with ballistics calculations with regards to the optimal bullet mass vs. the diameter. The 6MM to 7MM diameter projectiles (approximate size) are thought to be very ballistically ideal for the mass of the projectiles desired. So they are very popular. There was a British study which I am a fan of that came to the conclusion that the ideal Assault Rifle cartridge would fire a 6 to 6.5 MM projectile with approx. 100 to 130 grains of mass at approx. 2300 to 2700 feet per second. This study was done about 50 years ago and we still haven't adopted its conclusions (which a lot of experts have stated were correct) because it is not worth it to the military to rechamber our rifles. A lot of people have provided cartridges and rifles based on this study.

The Soviets basically copied the USA - they went to their own .22 caliber cartridge for their Kalashnikovs when their 7.62x39 cartridge was almost ideal. If they had chosen a 6MM cartridge instead they would have had the almost perfect assault rifle.

I figured it was a combination of conversion from one unit to another, experimentation, and marketing. I guess I was right. Still, it seems a little needlessly complicated. Thanks, though, for the info.

 

[Ishmael]

Yeah, and in "Snatch."





I figured it was a combination of conversion from one unit to another, experimentation, and marketing. I guess I was right. Still, it seems a little needlessly complicated. Thanks, though, for the info.

Let's just standerdize everything. You work out the details and I'll pressent it before congress so we can end all of this confusion.

You didn't know shit on this subject Perg. It's unlikely you ever will. Nice bait though.

Ishmael

 

[hurricane64]

Ok, for the sake of discussion, what is the utility of a Desert Eagle?

It's good for killing herons.

See Stephen King's Duma Key for examples!

And, good for killing assorted supernatural misfits.

See above literary reference for MORE examples.

 

[Peregrinator]

Let's just standerdize everything. You work out the details and I'll pressent it before congress so we can end all of this confusion.

You didn't know shit on this subject Perg. It's unlikely you ever will. Nice bait though.

Ishmael

I see you're in belligerent mode tonight. I'm more than happy to say I don't know shit about it, but you're wrong if you think I'm trying to "bait" anything or anyone. Relax a little, or go find a fight somewhere else. You won't get one from me.

 

[Peregrinator]

It's good for killing herons.

See Stephen King's Duma Key for examples!

And, good for killing assorted supernatural misfits.

See above literary reference for MORE examples.

I've been reading the zombie attack survival guide, and the author recommends a .22 rimfire sidearm, claiming that it's as good as anything else for puncturing a skull at short range, and since it's lighter, it's likely to be more accurate.

 

[hurricane64]

I've been reading the zombie attack survival guide, and the author recommends a .22 rimfire sidearm, claiming that it's as good as anything else for puncturing a skull at short range, and since it's lighter, it's likely to be more accurate.

Zombies are kind of a special case. But I'm all for .22 rounds. I have a .357 but shoot .22 rounds for leisure.

And, with Zack, it's all about accuracy.

 

[Peregrinator]

Zombies are kind of a special case. But I'm all for .22 rounds. I have a .357 but shoot .22 rounds for leisure.

And, with Zack, it's all about accuracy.

They're definitely fun for plinking. We did some training a while back at an indoor range and had to use .22 adaptors in our M4's, which was a colossal pain in the ass.

Zack?

 

[hurricane64]

They're definitely fun for plinking. We did some training a while back at an indoor range and had to use .22 adaptors in our M4's, which was a colossal pain in the ass.

Zack?

Code name for zombies.

Got it from World War Z. Same author as the Survival Guide.

 

[Peregrinator]

Code name for zombies.

Got it from World War Z. Same author as the Survival Guide.

Ah. You've obviously read more about this stuff than I have.

 

[Ishmael]

I see you're in belligerent mode tonight. I'm more than happy to say I don't know shit about it, but you're wrong if you think I'm trying to "bait" anything or anyone. Relax a little, or go find a fight somewhere else. You won't get one from me.

Well, yeah. Seein' as how you aren't going to own up to the bullshit you started, I'll take the rap.

Anything else you'd like me to own up to?

Is there any thread, in the future, you'd like me to respond to with anything approaching seriousness?

Or do you intend to continue to play both ends against the middle?

Everytime you play the 'suck up' bull shit, I'm going to call your hand.

You're really going to have to make a decision Perg. Enough is enough.

Or start another wishy-washy alt.

Ishmael

 

[John Doe]

Never fired a gun before but my first I want it to be a dessert eagle.

You're an idiot.