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another "adult" that cant handle the truth and puts his head in the sand
I hope you keep it there till you suffocate
Obama's speech on race
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I hope you keep it there till you suffocate
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To POOKIE and VERMY and all the other whacked out LIB LOONS
that screamed at ME when I said that BAM shoulda resigned the "Church", and you all screamed and said
WHY??????????????
Now your BOY, said he woulda resigned had Wright not done so
1- He stayed for 20 years, resigning now is just politics
2- Wright hasnt resigned as of yet
3- The new "Pastor" is ON RECORD as saying he supports what Wright said 100%
4- When will BAM resign?
Obama would have left if Wright stayed
WASHINGTON - White House hopeful Barack Obama suggests he would have left his Chicago church had his longtime pastor, whose fiery anti-American comments about U.S. foreign policy and race relations threatened Obama’s campaign, not stepped down.
"Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn’t have felt comfortable staying at the church," Obama said Thursday during a taping of the ABC talk show, "The View." The interview will be broadcast Friday…
Obama said Wednesday he has spoken with Wright, who retired from Trinity United Church of Christ last month but remains as a senior pastor.
Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama’s rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, broke her silence on the matter Tuesday, saying she would have parted company with a pastor who spoke about the country the way Wright has…
Er, Mr. Wright has only (abruptly) announced his intention to retire at the end of May 2008. He has not yet retired.
But never mind such petty details.
It’s fun to watch Mr. Obama’s fabled judgment at work.
that screamed at ME when I said that BAM shoulda resigned the "Church", and you all screamed and said
WHY??????????????
Now your BOY, said he woulda resigned had Wright not done so
1- He stayed for 20 years, resigning now is just politics
2- Wright hasnt resigned as of yet
3- The new "Pastor" is ON RECORD as saying he supports what Wright said 100%
4- When will BAM resign?
Obama would have left if Wright stayed
WASHINGTON - White House hopeful Barack Obama suggests he would have left his Chicago church had his longtime pastor, whose fiery anti-American comments about U.S. foreign policy and race relations threatened Obama’s campaign, not stepped down.
"Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn’t have felt comfortable staying at the church," Obama said Thursday during a taping of the ABC talk show, "The View." The interview will be broadcast Friday…
Obama said Wednesday he has spoken with Wright, who retired from Trinity United Church of Christ last month but remains as a senior pastor.
Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama’s rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, broke her silence on the matter Tuesday, saying she would have parted company with a pastor who spoke about the country the way Wright has…
Er, Mr. Wright has only (abruptly) announced his intention to retire at the end of May 2008. He has not yet retired.
But never mind such petty details.
It’s fun to watch Mr. Obama’s fabled judgment at work.
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Longer than that.
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I caught him on the View today. It didn't change my opinion any but he is an excellent speaker I like listening to him talk.
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there are many excellent speakers
maybe he should go on speaking tours
maybe he should go on speaking tours
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there are many excellent speakers
maybe he should go on speaking tours
Isn't that what he is doing now?
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You fools actually pretend to believe BAM distanced himself from Wright
When the exact opposite is the truth
BUT YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH
as evidenced by all the IGGY's you have of ME
BARACK OBAMA
Which of the Following Did Obama Hear and Not Hear?
Obama's latest spin on Jeremiah Wright, offered on The View, is thoroughly unconvincing.
Obama says he didn't hear "some" of the comments that caused controversy. It would be helpful if Obama gave us a sense of which ones he had heard and let slide, and which ones prompted his (previously unexpressed) conclusion that if Wright didn't retire, he would leave the church.
Obama keeps insisting that what we've seen of Wright are the equivalent of the five dumbest things anyone has ever said. Putting aside whether these comments are more accurately described as hateful, malicious, or another term beyond "dumb", there's more than five, and they appear fairly regularly in Wright's career. It's hard to believe that they represent an uncharacteristic, unthinking expression after a particularly tough day.
"God d—- America."
"Chickens come home to roost."
"U.S. of KKK A."
"Garlic noses."
"The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color."
He called Secretary Rice "Condamnesia" and "Condoskeeza."
"In this country, racism is as natural as motherhood, apple pie, and the fourth of July. Many black people have been deluded into thinking that our BMWs, Lexuses, Porsches, Benzes, titles, heavily mortgaged condos and living environments can influence people who are fundamentally immoral."
"Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body."
"We invaded Grenada for no other reason than to get Maurice Bishop [a Grenada revolutionary who seized power in 1979], invaded Panama because Noriega would not dance to our tune any more. We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers."
His pelvic thrusting from the pulpit while declaring that Bill Clinton was "ridin' dirty" with Monica Lewinsky...
There is the church bulletin reprinting a column by a Hamas official arguing that Israel has no right to exist and treats Palestinians worse than the Nazis treated the Jews, the declaration that 9/11 was a wake-up call "for white America", the declaration that the surge policy was "sending 21,500 more American troops to their death", that U.S. troops destroyed the city of Fallujah, that the war on terror is a scam...
There are also long ago actions Obama undoubtedly knew of, such as traveling with Louis Farrakhan to meet with Libyan dictator Muammar Ghaddafi.
One of my readers, Tom, note:
So he is allowed plausible deniability by saying he didn’t hear this or wasn’t there when that was said. But this ignores the fact that parishioners in a house of worship do talk with one another outside of worship. Our local parish priest was caught up in a financial/sex scandal and the phones among the congregation were busy for weeks as they all discussed the latest news, views, etc. In less sensational times, we often discuss the latest sermon if it was not worthy in its content, positive or negative.
Therein lies my frustration, no one is calling Obama on this and allowing him to using timing and presence as a defense. The secular Left doesn’t attend services and refuses to understand that a parishioner can know about a sermon, etc. even if they weren’t in the audience at the time.
Yes, Obama can’t possibly be held responsible for know every utterance of Wright if he was not present at the time. However, for him to say he did not know generally of some of the more controversial items is not credible as it suggests one of two things: 1) Obama never communicates with his fellow parishioners outside of church (not implausible) or 2) Obama regularly speaks with others but none of those folks found any offense in what Wright said.
Beyond that, Obama is a little insulting when he accuses others of being too quick to judge Wright, or suggests those of us who are not enamored of Wright "haven't seen this broader aspect of him." How much more do we have to see? How much more benefit of the doubt is Wright owed? How many bits of data do we have to accumulate before we can conclude, "this guy isn't a good guy"?
Was Don Imus owed more or less benefit of the doubt? Trent Lott? Bill Cunningham?
When the exact opposite is the truth
BUT YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH
as evidenced by all the IGGY's you have of ME
BARACK OBAMA
Which of the Following Did Obama Hear and Not Hear?
Obama's latest spin on Jeremiah Wright, offered on The View, is thoroughly unconvincing.
Obama says he didn't hear "some" of the comments that caused controversy. It would be helpful if Obama gave us a sense of which ones he had heard and let slide, and which ones prompted his (previously unexpressed) conclusion that if Wright didn't retire, he would leave the church.
Obama keeps insisting that what we've seen of Wright are the equivalent of the five dumbest things anyone has ever said. Putting aside whether these comments are more accurately described as hateful, malicious, or another term beyond "dumb", there's more than five, and they appear fairly regularly in Wright's career. It's hard to believe that they represent an uncharacteristic, unthinking expression after a particularly tough day.
"God d—- America."
"Chickens come home to roost."
"U.S. of KKK A."
"Garlic noses."
"The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color."
He called Secretary Rice "Condamnesia" and "Condoskeeza."
"In this country, racism is as natural as motherhood, apple pie, and the fourth of July. Many black people have been deluded into thinking that our BMWs, Lexuses, Porsches, Benzes, titles, heavily mortgaged condos and living environments can influence people who are fundamentally immoral."
"Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body."
"We invaded Grenada for no other reason than to get Maurice Bishop [a Grenada revolutionary who seized power in 1979], invaded Panama because Noriega would not dance to our tune any more. We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers."
His pelvic thrusting from the pulpit while declaring that Bill Clinton was "ridin' dirty" with Monica Lewinsky...
There is the church bulletin reprinting a column by a Hamas official arguing that Israel has no right to exist and treats Palestinians worse than the Nazis treated the Jews, the declaration that 9/11 was a wake-up call "for white America", the declaration that the surge policy was "sending 21,500 more American troops to their death", that U.S. troops destroyed the city of Fallujah, that the war on terror is a scam...
There are also long ago actions Obama undoubtedly knew of, such as traveling with Louis Farrakhan to meet with Libyan dictator Muammar Ghaddafi.
One of my readers, Tom, note:
So he is allowed plausible deniability by saying he didn’t hear this or wasn’t there when that was said. But this ignores the fact that parishioners in a house of worship do talk with one another outside of worship. Our local parish priest was caught up in a financial/sex scandal and the phones among the congregation were busy for weeks as they all discussed the latest news, views, etc. In less sensational times, we often discuss the latest sermon if it was not worthy in its content, positive or negative.Therein lies my frustration, no one is calling Obama on this and allowing him to using timing and presence as a defense. The secular Left doesn’t attend services and refuses to understand that a parishioner can know about a sermon, etc. even if they weren’t in the audience at the time.
Yes, Obama can’t possibly be held responsible for know every utterance of Wright if he was not present at the time. However, for him to say he did not know generally of some of the more controversial items is not credible as it suggests one of two things: 1) Obama never communicates with his fellow parishioners outside of church (not implausible) or 2) Obama regularly speaks with others but none of those folks found any offense in what Wright said.
Beyond that, Obama is a little insulting when he accuses others of being too quick to judge Wright, or suggests those of us who are not enamored of Wright "haven't seen this broader aspect of him." How much more do we have to see? How much more benefit of the doubt is Wright owed? How many bits of data do we have to accumulate before we can conclude, "this guy isn't a good guy"?
Was Don Imus owed more or less benefit of the doubt? Trent Lott? Bill Cunningham?
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Liveblogging Obama on the View
Just tuned in to Obama.
"Keep in mind, he's preaching three times every Sunday for thirty years. I'm not vetting my party. I didn't have my research team pull every sermon he's given for the past thirty times."
"The statements that he made were rightly offensive. They were less offensive in terms of race than in terms of their view of the country."
Obama calls Wright a "brilliant man caught in a time warp." Says it "doesn't excuse but explains" Wright's comments.
"If you guys went there on a Sunday, you would feel right at home."
Barbara Walters: "Had the reverend not retired would you have left the church?"
Obama: "Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying at the church."
It looks like he was ready to say more, but *sigh* Hasselbeck interrupts. She mentions some of the quotes — US of KKK A, "chickens coming home to roost" after 9/11.
Obama stares at her as if he is trying to understand something very foreign to him.
"The particular ones you mentioned, I hadn't. What you've been seeing is a snippet of a man...What if somebody compiled the five stupidest things you ever said, and put them on a thirty second loop, and ran them for two weeks straight? ... I didn't purchase all the DVDs, and I didn't read all the church bulletins."
Obama says that when he said in his DNC speech, "there is no white America or black America", it was aspirational, not that there weren't serious problems in terms of race in America.
"I talked to [Wright] after this episode. I think he's saddened by what's happened. I feel badly that he has been characterized in just this one way. But he was my pastor. I think people overstate this idea of mentor or spiritual adviser. He was my pastor."
Obama tells a tale of Wright advising an black woman who was having doubts about marrying a white man to go through with the wedding, to not let racial differences to get in the way of love.
Just tuned in to Obama.
"Keep in mind, he's preaching three times every Sunday for thirty years. I'm not vetting my party. I didn't have my research team pull every sermon he's given for the past thirty times."
"The statements that he made were rightly offensive. They were less offensive in terms of race than in terms of their view of the country."
Obama calls Wright a "brilliant man caught in a time warp." Says it "doesn't excuse but explains" Wright's comments.
"If you guys went there on a Sunday, you would feel right at home."
Barbara Walters: "Had the reverend not retired would you have left the church?"
Obama: "Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying at the church."
It looks like he was ready to say more, but *sigh* Hasselbeck interrupts. She mentions some of the quotes — US of KKK A, "chickens coming home to roost" after 9/11.
Obama stares at her as if he is trying to understand something very foreign to him.
"The particular ones you mentioned, I hadn't. What you've been seeing is a snippet of a man...What if somebody compiled the five stupidest things you ever said, and put them on a thirty second loop, and ran them for two weeks straight? ... I didn't purchase all the DVDs, and I didn't read all the church bulletins."
Obama says that when he said in his DNC speech, "there is no white America or black America", it was aspirational, not that there weren't serious problems in terms of race in America.
"I talked to [Wright] after this episode. I think he's saddened by what's happened. I feel badly that he has been characterized in just this one way. But he was my pastor. I think people overstate this idea of mentor or spiritual adviser. He was my pastor."
Obama tells a tale of Wright advising an black woman who was having doubts about marrying a white man to go through with the wedding, to not let racial differences to get in the way of love.
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By now its obvious to EVERYONE, Dumz included that ClitBITCH is as big a liar as is ClitMAN!
The two of them cant ever tell the truth when a LIE will do them more good, (in the short term)
You TURDS have yet to realize
BAM is almost as big a LIAR as are the Clits!
The two of them cant ever tell the truth when a LIE will do them more good, (in the short term)
You TURDS have yet to realize
BAM is almost as big a LIAR as are the Clits!
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Good to be a KNEE GROW
For all the RACISM
You get a $1.6 million home
Obama’s Former Pastor Getting $1.6M Home in Retirement
by FOXNews.com
Thursday, March 27, 2008
By Jeff Goldblatt
This was supposed to be the week that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. returned to the pulpit to preach for the first time since his anti-American sermons generated nationwide outrage and drew condemnation from his longtime parishioner, Barack Obama.
But, citing security concerns, Wright canceled his speaking engagements in Florida and Texas. A spokeswoman at his former church in Chicago said his schedule is pending.
A two-week FOX News investigation, however, has uncovered where Wright will be spending a good deal of his time in retirement, and it is a far cry from the impoverished Chicago streets where the preacher led his ministry for 36 years.
FOX News has uncovered documents that indicate Wright is about to move to a 10,340-square-foot, four-bedroom home in suburban Chicago, currently under construction in a gated community…
According to documents obtained from the Cook County Register of Deeds, Wright purchased two empty lots in Tinley Park, Ill., from Chicago restaurant chain owner Kenny Lewis for $345,000 in 2004.
Documents show Wright sold the property to his church, Trinity United, in December 2006, with the proceeds going to a living trust shared with his wife, Ramah.
The sale price for the land was just under $308,000, about $40,000 less than Wright’s original purchase two years earlier.
Public records of the sale show Trinity initially obtained a $10 million bank loan to purchase the property and build a new house on the land.
But further investigation with tax and real estate attorneys showed that the church had actually secured a $1.6 million mortgage for the home purchase, and attached a $10 million line of credit, for reasons unspecified in the paperwork.
There is apparently nothing wrong with that, according to non-profit tax expert Jack Siegel of Charity Governance Consulting, who examined public documents FOX News obtained from the Cook County Register of Deeds and the Village of Tinley Park.
“At least looking at it from a public document standpoint, there’s clearly not a problem that jumps out or some sort of wrongdoing,” Siegel said.
Siegel characterizes the transaction as unusual, however, because of the way Wright sold the property to Trinity and the way the deal was financed, with the attached $10 million line of credit.
Because churches are classified as private businesses, Trinity isn’t required to reveal its intended use for the line of credit. Nor, because it’s a non-profit entity, is it required to provide that information to the IRS…
“This is about how these kinds of churches work,” notes Walsh. “These pastors who made big successful churches are real valuable commodities. Is it morally wrong? Well, Protestants don’t have the idea that their religious leaders should live modestly or aesthetically. We’re not talking Buddhist monks or Catholic priests here. There’s no tradition that says they have to live poor.” …
Still more proof that Mr. Wright is just a Farrakhan wannabe.
There’s no tradition that says they have to live poor.”
Oh, really?
Well, it’s not like this weird cult has anything to do with Christianity.
For all the RACISM
You get a $1.6 million home
Obama’s Former Pastor Getting $1.6M Home in Retirement
by FOXNews.com
Thursday, March 27, 2008
By Jeff Goldblatt
This was supposed to be the week that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. returned to the pulpit to preach for the first time since his anti-American sermons generated nationwide outrage and drew condemnation from his longtime parishioner, Barack Obama.
But, citing security concerns, Wright canceled his speaking engagements in Florida and Texas. A spokeswoman at his former church in Chicago said his schedule is pending.
A two-week FOX News investigation, however, has uncovered where Wright will be spending a good deal of his time in retirement, and it is a far cry from the impoverished Chicago streets where the preacher led his ministry for 36 years.
FOX News has uncovered documents that indicate Wright is about to move to a 10,340-square-foot, four-bedroom home in suburban Chicago, currently under construction in a gated community…
According to documents obtained from the Cook County Register of Deeds, Wright purchased two empty lots in Tinley Park, Ill., from Chicago restaurant chain owner Kenny Lewis for $345,000 in 2004.
Documents show Wright sold the property to his church, Trinity United, in December 2006, with the proceeds going to a living trust shared with his wife, Ramah.
The sale price for the land was just under $308,000, about $40,000 less than Wright’s original purchase two years earlier.
Public records of the sale show Trinity initially obtained a $10 million bank loan to purchase the property and build a new house on the land.
But further investigation with tax and real estate attorneys showed that the church had actually secured a $1.6 million mortgage for the home purchase, and attached a $10 million line of credit, for reasons unspecified in the paperwork.
There is apparently nothing wrong with that, according to non-profit tax expert Jack Siegel of Charity Governance Consulting, who examined public documents FOX News obtained from the Cook County Register of Deeds and the Village of Tinley Park.
“At least looking at it from a public document standpoint, there’s clearly not a problem that jumps out or some sort of wrongdoing,” Siegel said.
Siegel characterizes the transaction as unusual, however, because of the way Wright sold the property to Trinity and the way the deal was financed, with the attached $10 million line of credit.
Because churches are classified as private businesses, Trinity isn’t required to reveal its intended use for the line of credit. Nor, because it’s a non-profit entity, is it required to provide that information to the IRS…
“This is about how these kinds of churches work,” notes Walsh. “These pastors who made big successful churches are real valuable commodities. Is it morally wrong? Well, Protestants don’t have the idea that their religious leaders should live modestly or aesthetically. We’re not talking Buddhist monks or Catholic priests here. There’s no tradition that says they have to live poor.” …
Still more proof that Mr. Wright is just a Farrakhan wannabe.
There’s no tradition that says they have to live poor.”
Oh, really?
Well, it’s not like this weird cult has anything to do with Christianity.
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The KNEE GROW
a liar and a typical politician
Dems 2008: Can Obama disown Rev. Wright? Yes, he can! [Karl]
On today’s episode of the ABC talk show The View, Barack Obama does the modified limited hang-out on his spiritual advisor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright:
Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn’t have felt comfortable staying at the church.
There is no evidence that Wright ever acknowledged that his comments were “inappropriate,” though that is an absurdly mild description of Wright’s comments. Moreover, it seems like just last week that Obama gave a major speech in which he said that he could no more disown Wright than he could disown the black community. Indeed, it seems like only Tuesday that Team Obama was blasting Hillary Clinton’s comment that you choose what church you want to attend. Those statements appear to be no longer operative.
People like TNR’s Marty Peretz are probably wondering why they did not get the memo before praising Obama for sticking by Wright. Then again, Obama’s apologists should have known that Obama and Wright already had an understanding that Obama might have to distance himself from Wright.
While Pew and others ran polls which purported to show that Obama had “weathered the storm” over Wright, the internals of such polls consistently suggested that Obama had not put the issue behind him. Michael Barone noticed the erosion in state-by-state polls also.
Obama’s decision to wade back into the issue on The View suggests that his internal polling was not favorable or that he feared that people like Mickey Kaus will continue to point out that Obama was in fact drawn to the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago because of Wright’s blaming ”white greed” for the world’s sins, that his answers to questions about Wright and Trinity have been inconsistent at best, and so on.
So Obama makes his second run at the problem on The View — a show with the intellectual depth of a small soap dish – confident that serious questions on the topic will not be asked. Should such questions ever get asked, Obama will likely point to The View to claim he answered them.
a liar and a typical politician
Dems 2008: Can Obama disown Rev. Wright? Yes, he can! [Karl]
On today’s episode of the ABC talk show The View, Barack Obama does the modified limited hang-out on his spiritual advisor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright:
Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn’t have felt comfortable staying at the church.
There is no evidence that Wright ever acknowledged that his comments were “inappropriate,” though that is an absurdly mild description of Wright’s comments. Moreover, it seems like just last week that Obama gave a major speech in which he said that he could no more disown Wright than he could disown the black community. Indeed, it seems like only Tuesday that Team Obama was blasting Hillary Clinton’s comment that you choose what church you want to attend. Those statements appear to be no longer operative.
People like TNR’s Marty Peretz are probably wondering why they did not get the memo before praising Obama for sticking by Wright. Then again, Obama’s apologists should have known that Obama and Wright already had an understanding that Obama might have to distance himself from Wright.
While Pew and others ran polls which purported to show that Obama had “weathered the storm” over Wright, the internals of such polls consistently suggested that Obama had not put the issue behind him. Michael Barone noticed the erosion in state-by-state polls also.
Obama’s decision to wade back into the issue on The View suggests that his internal polling was not favorable or that he feared that people like Mickey Kaus will continue to point out that Obama was in fact drawn to the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago because of Wright’s blaming ”white greed” for the world’s sins, that his answers to questions about Wright and Trinity have been inconsistent at best, and so on.
So Obama makes his second run at the problem on The View — a show with the intellectual depth of a small soap dish – confident that serious questions on the topic will not be asked. Should such questions ever get asked, Obama will likely point to The View to claim he answered them.
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He wrote it.
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How do you know?
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The Jeremiah Wright situation doesn't seem to have hurt Obama as much as you'd like, bizzy.
Maybe America isn't as racist a nation as you'd like?
Maybe America isn't as racist a nation as you'd like?
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so you think that America will hate BAM and Wright cause they are KNEE GROWS?
maybe its YOU that are RACIST!
maybe we will just hate em cause they are NUTZ
and BTW, BAMS disaporval rating hits an all time high, above 50% for the first time ever
the KNEE GROW is lucky he is running against someone even more ODIOUS
THE PUSSY
maybe its YOU that are RACIST!
maybe we will just hate em cause they are NUTZ
and BTW, BAMS disaporval rating hits an all time high, above 50% for the first time ever
the KNEE GROW is lucky he is running against someone even more ODIOUS
THE PUSSY
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Would somebody do the calculus?
Is "the brilliant" (and I do mean brilliant) Rev. Wright's current purported $1.6 million 10,000 sq. ft. mansion (cum elevator and butler's pantry) under construction in a gated Chicago community a better reflection of his hated black "middle classism," or is the Obamas' $1.65 million stately domicile more indicative of Michelle's former lack of pride in America?
Perhaps kindred populist John Edwards of two Americas and 30,000 sq.ft fame can adjudicate.
Is "the brilliant" (and I do mean brilliant) Rev. Wright's current purported $1.6 million 10,000 sq. ft. mansion (cum elevator and butler's pantry) under construction in a gated Chicago community a better reflection of his hated black "middle classism," or is the Obamas' $1.65 million stately domicile more indicative of Michelle's former lack of pride in America?
Perhaps kindred populist John Edwards of two Americas and 30,000 sq.ft fame can adjudicate.
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The KNEE GROWS are a Canver in our midsts and must be dealt with
Watching the parade of apologists for Rev. Wright’s hatred—“garlic noses”; “KKK of A;” “God Damn America;” “Condamnesia;” the U.S. deserved 9/11; America is no different from al-Qaeda; we caused the AIDs virus; Israel is a “dirty word” and sought an Arab and black ethnic bomb, etc—is, well, depressing. Instead of offering distance from Wright, far too many African-American professors and pastors interviewed on the cable stations the last few nights instead praised his brilliance and inspiration.
At best, there was a feeble ‘you just don’t get it’ about the venting and wink-and-nod culture of the black church. But the net message from the African-American liberal establishment, at least I fear, seems to be something like the following: ‘Wright is not going to offer an apology and we aren’t embarrassed about his ranting, which is not ranting at all, but rather historical and biblical exegesis which we endorse. And the problem is yours, not ours, since we expect exemption—given the history of race in this country—from your so-called norms of public discourse.’
This is what the triangulation of Obama has helped to unleash: most Americans will now doubt the moral authority of the African-American intellectual and religious community not just to question the questionable racial remarks of a Bill Clinton, Ed Rendell, or Geraldine Ferraro, but also the Wright-like crudity of a Don Imus or a Michael Richards. Context is now king.
This disastrous regression in race relations is the natural dividend of liberal identity politics, most recently brought to the fore by the wife of the first “black President”, the first “transracial” black Presidential candidate, and the “prophet” and “healer” Reverend Wright.
Barack Obama is on his way to a McGovern candidacy.
Watching the parade of apologists for Rev. Wright’s hatred—“garlic noses”; “KKK of A;” “God Damn America;” “Condamnesia;” the U.S. deserved 9/11; America is no different from al-Qaeda; we caused the AIDs virus; Israel is a “dirty word” and sought an Arab and black ethnic bomb, etc—is, well, depressing. Instead of offering distance from Wright, far too many African-American professors and pastors interviewed on the cable stations the last few nights instead praised his brilliance and inspiration.
At best, there was a feeble ‘you just don’t get it’ about the venting and wink-and-nod culture of the black church. But the net message from the African-American liberal establishment, at least I fear, seems to be something like the following: ‘Wright is not going to offer an apology and we aren’t embarrassed about his ranting, which is not ranting at all, but rather historical and biblical exegesis which we endorse. And the problem is yours, not ours, since we expect exemption—given the history of race in this country—from your so-called norms of public discourse.’
This is what the triangulation of Obama has helped to unleash: most Americans will now doubt the moral authority of the African-American intellectual and religious community not just to question the questionable racial remarks of a Bill Clinton, Ed Rendell, or Geraldine Ferraro, but also the Wright-like crudity of a Don Imus or a Michael Richards. Context is now king.
This disastrous regression in race relations is the natural dividend of liberal identity politics, most recently brought to the fore by the wife of the first “black President”, the first “transracial” black Presidential candidate, and the “prophet” and “healer” Reverend Wright.
Barack Obama is on his way to a McGovern candidacy.
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How's Rudy's campaign going, btw?
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Barack Obama defines his role:
Obama described Wright as a "brilliant man who was still stuck in a time warp."
"View" co-host Elisabeth Hasslebeck expressed concern that Obama's choice of pastor may show a lack of judgment.
The candidate explained, "Part of what my role in my politics is to get people who don't normally listen to each other to talk to each other, who [say] crazy things, who are offended by each other, for me to understand them and to maybe help them understand each other."
This shtick isn't helping. The headline on this story is "Obama: America Doesn't Get Rev. Wright." Really? More talk like that, and the issue will be whether it's Obama who doesn't get America. "People who don't normally listen" to Jeremiah Wright (and certainly not for 20 years) get him and his racist "liberation theology" very quickly. They have no desire to be brought together to "understand" him, and they won't take kindly to a presidential candidate whose way of wiggling off the hook of his own poor choices is to suggest they're just as crazy as his loon of a pastor.
I would wager that, privately or otherwise, a significant sliver of the electorate agrees with this:
It strikes me that Barack Obama is uniquely unfit to be President.
It strikes me that Barack Obama is uniquely unfit to be President.
Obama described Wright as a "brilliant man who was still stuck in a time warp."
"View" co-host Elisabeth Hasslebeck expressed concern that Obama's choice of pastor may show a lack of judgment.
The candidate explained, "Part of what my role in my politics is to get people who don't normally listen to each other to talk to each other, who [say] crazy things, who are offended by each other, for me to understand them and to maybe help them understand each other."
This shtick isn't helping. The headline on this story is "Obama: America Doesn't Get Rev. Wright." Really? More talk like that, and the issue will be whether it's Obama who doesn't get America. "People who don't normally listen" to Jeremiah Wright (and certainly not for 20 years) get him and his racist "liberation theology" very quickly. They have no desire to be brought together to "understand" him, and they won't take kindly to a presidential candidate whose way of wiggling off the hook of his own poor choices is to suggest they're just as crazy as his loon of a pastor.
I would wager that, privately or otherwise, a significant sliver of the electorate agrees with this:
It strikes me that Barack Obama is uniquely unfit to be President.
It strikes me that Barack Obama is uniquely unfit to be President.
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He isnt running
Do you think our HATRED of Wright and severe dislike for BAM's "explanations" are cause they are black
NO!
Cause they are KNEE GROWS
and by now, you should know the difference
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I think it's cynical politics intended to exploit racial resentments.
And I think you're a douche.
And I think you're a douche.
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I think you DONT get the shit Wright spewed
So those that HATE D Duke etc are what the?
This, BTW, from a "man" that will be soon in a $1.6 million home, 10,000 sq feet, with servents quarters
"The Worm I' the Bud"
There has been a lot of discussion about what Barack Obama knew about Jeremiah Wright's anti-American, racist beliefs, and when he knew it. It turns out, though, that there is no mystery at all: Obama's own autobiography, Dreams of My Father, answers the question. In Dreams of My Father, Obama describes the very first time he attended Trinity and heard Wright preach. What was Wright's theme? A racist attack on white people. I heard this on Hugh Hewitt's radio show today:
It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere ... That's the world! On which hope sits.
Obama describes himself being moved to tears by this sophomoric analysis of the world's problems. By his own account, Obama wasn't repelled by Wright's racism, it was the very quality that drew Obama to Wright's church!
It strikes me that Barack Obama is uniquely unfit to be President, or, for that matter, to serve in the Senate.
So those that HATE D Duke etc are what the?
This, BTW, from a "man" that will be soon in a $1.6 million home, 10,000 sq feet, with servents quarters
"The Worm I' the Bud"
There has been a lot of discussion about what Barack Obama knew about Jeremiah Wright's anti-American, racist beliefs, and when he knew it. It turns out, though, that there is no mystery at all: Obama's own autobiography, Dreams of My Father, answers the question. In Dreams of My Father, Obama describes the very first time he attended Trinity and heard Wright preach. What was Wright's theme? A racist attack on white people. I heard this on Hugh Hewitt's radio show today:
It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks' greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere ... That's the world! On which hope sits.
Obama describes himself being moved to tears by this sophomoric analysis of the world's problems. By his own account, Obama wasn't repelled by Wright's racism, it was the very quality that drew Obama to Wright's church!
It strikes me that Barack Obama is uniquely unfit to be President, or, for that matter, to serve in the Senate.
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March 27, 2008 5:00 PM
I just finished reading two books of Rev Jeremiah Wright's sermons. So what did I find?
Shortly after the controversy broke I looked to see what kind of evidence Wright had placed for us between covers. Not a great deal, as it turns out. There are several books with his name on them in one form or another, to which he appears to have contributed an introduction or some such, but none he's actually written and just these two that I could find that are collections of his sermons.
They are 1993's What Makes You So Strong? Sermons of Joy and Strength from Jeremiah A Wright Jr, and 1995's Good News! Sermons of Hope for Today's Families. Both are published by Judson Press, the publishing arm of the American Baptist Church (as distinct from the Southern Baptist church; the American Baptist Church is moderate-to-liberal in orientation).
Those seeking more evidence of Wright's venom (as if we didn't have enough) will be disappointed. Indeed the 18 sermons collected herein don't have the kind of provocative hate in them that we've seen in some YouTube clips. There are passages where he talks, sometimes bluntly, about the black race's unique burden in America, and America's cruel treatment of black people over history. But all that of course is true. And in general, the passages like this don't dwell on the history for its own sake, or for the purpose of bringing his audience to a boil about America. The ill-treatment is usually stated as a given that the parishioners will know and agree with already. From there, he tends to move on to optimistic messages, urging his listeners to put their faith in Jesus and stay on course.
The best example of this is the sermon that lends its title to the first volume I cited above:
What makes you so strong, black man? How is it that 370 years of slavery, segregation, racism, Jim Crow laws, and second-class citizenship cannot wipe out the memory of Imhotep, Aesop, Akhenaton, and Thutmose II? What makes you so strong, black man?
How is it that after all this country has done to you, you can still produce a Paul Robeson, a Thurgood Marshall, a Malcolm X, a Martin King, and a Ron McNair? What makes you so strong, black man?
This country has tried castration and lynching, miseducation and brainwashing. They have taught you to hate yourself and to look at yourself through the awfully tainted eyeglasses of white Eurocentric lies, and yet you keep breaking out of the prisons they put you in. You break out in a WEB DuBois and a Booker T Washington. You break out in a Louis Farrakhan and a Mickey Leland; you break in a Judge Thurgood Marshall and a Pops Staples; you break out in a Luther Vandross, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Harold Washington, or a Doug Wilder. What makes you so strong, black man?
The sermon goes on in similar language about black women, citing similar role models and leaders. It then shifts into scriptural analysis as Wright brings in the story of Samson, arguing that his enemies "mistook the symbol of his strength" (his hair) for "the source of his strength" (his faith). Wright concludes by answering his own question: "Our strength comes from the Spirit of God ... Jesus promised that he would give the Spirit to you. He has never failed on any of his promises. This is what makes us so strong."
I wanted to quote this at some length and describe it fully because I explicitly did not want to yank one inflammatory phrase out of context. You can see how, for example, the three words "white Eurocentric lies" in a headline or the lead paragraph of a news story could potentially be explosive. In context, they may not be words that most white people will like hearing, but at least one can see a fuller picture of what he was getting at. Likewise, while I'm certainly not crazy about the fact that he mentions Farrakhan in the same breath as many African Americans who managed to rise to prominence in this country without throwing paranoid, anti-Semitic stink bombs into the culture, one can see from his full list of models that most are mainstream.
Two themes that to my reading rang across these pages were a straightforward one about hope, which Barack Obama has adopted; and a slightly more complex one reminding his parishioners to remain humble before God, and in some sense to stay mindful of the traditions of the black church, no matter how high they rise in secular life. This second point seems a preoccupation of Wright's. It makes me think that as his church grew, it attracted more and more doctors and lawyers and professors and so on, who brought with them a more sedate style of worship. A sermon called "When you forget who you are" starts with the story of Esther, who was born with the name Hadassah but was taken into captivity, renamed Esther, and transformed into a sort of high-class call girl who gave in to the temptations of sweet perfumes and so on and forgot where she came from (I'm no Biblical scholar, so I have no idea whether this is accurate). This reminds Wright of some of his parishioners:
If you were to go back to your church tomorrow and ask your folk to give up their Louis Vuitton or Coach ... that blade is so deep inside of us that most of us don't see ourselves as Africans living in diaspora.
When Esther got to the point that she could practice Babylonian customs more than they did, she forgot who she was. The first issue in the text is this: You can play a role only so long and pretend only so long. If you keep on doing it, you're going to take on that role and forget who you are.
Other sermons have little or nothing to do with race. One, "Unexpected blessings," is about just that - happy surprises in life and how we manage them - and would go down well at a Lutheran service in North Dakota. Another, "Ain't nobody right but us," explicitly argues against the kind of division he's preached in other sermons:
The next time you're tempted to say, "Ain't nobody right but us," remember that differences aren't necessarily synonymous with deficiencies. Remember that you can't build yourself up by tearing somebody else down. Remember that in the Lord we don't have competitors. We have companions.
I'm not much of a believer, so most of this is Greek to me, as they say. I can interpret these only as political texts. Seen in that light, a few of them - no more, really, than probably four out of the 18 I read - have a bit of an edge to them. The long passage I quoted first, about the 370 years of oppression, is representative of the most provocative language I came across in the books. Others will interpret that language differently, but I don't find it very threatening or unusual. Remember that we're not talking about a politician here who's seeking to take hold of the levers of power, we're talking about a black minister of a black congregation, by definition an outsider-critic.
Preponderantly, the message of these 18 sermons is positive. This is especially so in the second book, Good News!, which collects a series of sermons on the family Wright delivered in succession over a few weeks in the early 1990s. The eight sermons in this volume proclaim "good news" for, respectively: married folks, single folks, good parents, blended families (he means here not racially blended per se, but families brought together by re-marriages and so on), bad kids, good fathers, bad fathers and homosexuals. The pattern of these sermons is the same: he lays out concerns, some of them specific to black people and some more universal, about the group he's discussing, and he concludes citing scripture that is meant to give good fathers or bad kids or what have you some lessons to draw from.
The only time I was actually moved reading these sermons came while reading the sermon on gay people:
I have been the ministerial outcast among many of my colleagues for some fifteen years because I refuse to believe that my God loves only some of his world. My Bible does not say, "For God so loved some of the world--or most of the world - that he gave his only begotten Son that any heterosexual who believes in him..." My Bible says all the world and whosoever - not those I like. Whosoever - not those who are like me. Whosoever. I refuse to limit my God, to lock God into my cultural understandings because culture is fickle. And culture is often wrong. Culture was wrong about slavery. Culture was wrong about women. Culture was wrong about Africans and Indians, and culture was wrong about Christ. I refuse to limit my God, to lock God into little cultural prisons, no matter how comfortable those prisons may feel.
He goes on to say emphatically that some people are born gay. He tells a ghastly and moving story about a young lesbian who came to see him to tell him about how she was brutally gang-raped; when her mother came to visit her in the hospital, her mother comforted her to some extent but "she wouldn't touch me because I'm a lesbian." Wright was in deep sympathy with the woman.
This may not win over middle America, but it strikes me as pretty strong and admirable tonic for a black congregation in the early 1990s. Alas, there are more than a few people in the Episcopal Church in which I was confirmed who could learn a thing or two from Wright on this subject.
I do not draw too many conclusions from my little exercise. It's only 18 sermons, he's surely delivered thousands. For all I know, the publishers chose the 18 most presentable ones, or his editor struck out offensive language. Obviously, nothing in here excuses his worse rhetoric. It's inconceivable to me that a man of the cloth could use a phrase like "garlic noses" referring to ancient Romans, as Newsday reported yesterday.
The only conclusion I draw, I suppose, is that I have now seen some evidence of the other side of the man. If it's true - and we don't know, but if - that 98% of his sermons were like these, then I can see why his defenders argue that the picture that's emerged of him is distorted.
I suppose I would also say this. In the larger American culture, conservatives over the last 25 years have been very successful in determining how we talk about race. One of their signal victories has been that anything smacking of "victimology," as it's called, is to be avoided and denounced in mainstream discussions. Any mention of slavery , for example, is inevitably greeted by some number of whites with: "Oh, that again? Please get over it already."
Well, for reasons that most white people either don't or don't care to understand, a lot of black people aren't over it. Every generation of black youngsters has to learn about this country's history, and every generation of black parents has to explain it. People like Wright are there to guide parents and children through that process. A politician must avoid these subjects, but a black minister must address them, and it seems to me must address them regularly. Nothing excuses hate speech - and, Lord, would it be too much to ask of your servant Jeremiah that he show a little remorse for his wilder comments?. But the minister will sometimes address these matters in ways that will make white people uncomfortable. That's a racial bridge we'll probably never cross, President Obama or no.
linkie
March 27, 2008 5:00 PM
I just finished reading two books of Rev Jeremiah Wright's sermons. So what did I find?
Shortly after the controversy broke I looked to see what kind of evidence Wright had placed for us between covers. Not a great deal, as it turns out. There are several books with his name on them in one form or another, to which he appears to have contributed an introduction or some such, but none he's actually written and just these two that I could find that are collections of his sermons.
They are 1993's What Makes You So Strong? Sermons of Joy and Strength from Jeremiah A Wright Jr, and 1995's Good News! Sermons of Hope for Today's Families. Both are published by Judson Press, the publishing arm of the American Baptist Church (as distinct from the Southern Baptist church; the American Baptist Church is moderate-to-liberal in orientation).
Those seeking more evidence of Wright's venom (as if we didn't have enough) will be disappointed. Indeed the 18 sermons collected herein don't have the kind of provocative hate in them that we've seen in some YouTube clips. There are passages where he talks, sometimes bluntly, about the black race's unique burden in America, and America's cruel treatment of black people over history. But all that of course is true. And in general, the passages like this don't dwell on the history for its own sake, or for the purpose of bringing his audience to a boil about America. The ill-treatment is usually stated as a given that the parishioners will know and agree with already. From there, he tends to move on to optimistic messages, urging his listeners to put their faith in Jesus and stay on course.
The best example of this is the sermon that lends its title to the first volume I cited above:
What makes you so strong, black man? How is it that 370 years of slavery, segregation, racism, Jim Crow laws, and second-class citizenship cannot wipe out the memory of Imhotep, Aesop, Akhenaton, and Thutmose II? What makes you so strong, black man?
How is it that after all this country has done to you, you can still produce a Paul Robeson, a Thurgood Marshall, a Malcolm X, a Martin King, and a Ron McNair? What makes you so strong, black man?
This country has tried castration and lynching, miseducation and brainwashing. They have taught you to hate yourself and to look at yourself through the awfully tainted eyeglasses of white Eurocentric lies, and yet you keep breaking out of the prisons they put you in. You break out in a WEB DuBois and a Booker T Washington. You break out in a Louis Farrakhan and a Mickey Leland; you break in a Judge Thurgood Marshall and a Pops Staples; you break out in a Luther Vandross, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Harold Washington, or a Doug Wilder. What makes you so strong, black man?
The sermon goes on in similar language about black women, citing similar role models and leaders. It then shifts into scriptural analysis as Wright brings in the story of Samson, arguing that his enemies "mistook the symbol of his strength" (his hair) for "the source of his strength" (his faith). Wright concludes by answering his own question: "Our strength comes from the Spirit of God ... Jesus promised that he would give the Spirit to you. He has never failed on any of his promises. This is what makes us so strong."
I wanted to quote this at some length and describe it fully because I explicitly did not want to yank one inflammatory phrase out of context. You can see how, for example, the three words "white Eurocentric lies" in a headline or the lead paragraph of a news story could potentially be explosive. In context, they may not be words that most white people will like hearing, but at least one can see a fuller picture of what he was getting at. Likewise, while I'm certainly not crazy about the fact that he mentions Farrakhan in the same breath as many African Americans who managed to rise to prominence in this country without throwing paranoid, anti-Semitic stink bombs into the culture, one can see from his full list of models that most are mainstream.
Two themes that to my reading rang across these pages were a straightforward one about hope, which Barack Obama has adopted; and a slightly more complex one reminding his parishioners to remain humble before God, and in some sense to stay mindful of the traditions of the black church, no matter how high they rise in secular life. This second point seems a preoccupation of Wright's. It makes me think that as his church grew, it attracted more and more doctors and lawyers and professors and so on, who brought with them a more sedate style of worship. A sermon called "When you forget who you are" starts with the story of Esther, who was born with the name Hadassah but was taken into captivity, renamed Esther, and transformed into a sort of high-class call girl who gave in to the temptations of sweet perfumes and so on and forgot where she came from (I'm no Biblical scholar, so I have no idea whether this is accurate). This reminds Wright of some of his parishioners:
If you were to go back to your church tomorrow and ask your folk to give up their Louis Vuitton or Coach ... that blade is so deep inside of us that most of us don't see ourselves as Africans living in diaspora.
When Esther got to the point that she could practice Babylonian customs more than they did, she forgot who she was. The first issue in the text is this: You can play a role only so long and pretend only so long. If you keep on doing it, you're going to take on that role and forget who you are.
Other sermons have little or nothing to do with race. One, "Unexpected blessings," is about just that - happy surprises in life and how we manage them - and would go down well at a Lutheran service in North Dakota. Another, "Ain't nobody right but us," explicitly argues against the kind of division he's preached in other sermons:
The next time you're tempted to say, "Ain't nobody right but us," remember that differences aren't necessarily synonymous with deficiencies. Remember that you can't build yourself up by tearing somebody else down. Remember that in the Lord we don't have competitors. We have companions.
I'm not much of a believer, so most of this is Greek to me, as they say. I can interpret these only as political texts. Seen in that light, a few of them - no more, really, than probably four out of the 18 I read - have a bit of an edge to them. The long passage I quoted first, about the 370 years of oppression, is representative of the most provocative language I came across in the books. Others will interpret that language differently, but I don't find it very threatening or unusual. Remember that we're not talking about a politician here who's seeking to take hold of the levers of power, we're talking about a black minister of a black congregation, by definition an outsider-critic.
Preponderantly, the message of these 18 sermons is positive. This is especially so in the second book, Good News!, which collects a series of sermons on the family Wright delivered in succession over a few weeks in the early 1990s. The eight sermons in this volume proclaim "good news" for, respectively: married folks, single folks, good parents, blended families (he means here not racially blended per se, but families brought together by re-marriages and so on), bad kids, good fathers, bad fathers and homosexuals. The pattern of these sermons is the same: he lays out concerns, some of them specific to black people and some more universal, about the group he's discussing, and he concludes citing scripture that is meant to give good fathers or bad kids or what have you some lessons to draw from.
The only time I was actually moved reading these sermons came while reading the sermon on gay people:
I have been the ministerial outcast among many of my colleagues for some fifteen years because I refuse to believe that my God loves only some of his world. My Bible does not say, "For God so loved some of the world--or most of the world - that he gave his only begotten Son that any heterosexual who believes in him..." My Bible says all the world and whosoever - not those I like. Whosoever - not those who are like me. Whosoever. I refuse to limit my God, to lock God into my cultural understandings because culture is fickle. And culture is often wrong. Culture was wrong about slavery. Culture was wrong about women. Culture was wrong about Africans and Indians, and culture was wrong about Christ. I refuse to limit my God, to lock God into little cultural prisons, no matter how comfortable those prisons may feel.
He goes on to say emphatically that some people are born gay. He tells a ghastly and moving story about a young lesbian who came to see him to tell him about how she was brutally gang-raped; when her mother came to visit her in the hospital, her mother comforted her to some extent but "she wouldn't touch me because I'm a lesbian." Wright was in deep sympathy with the woman.
This may not win over middle America, but it strikes me as pretty strong and admirable tonic for a black congregation in the early 1990s. Alas, there are more than a few people in the Episcopal Church in which I was confirmed who could learn a thing or two from Wright on this subject.
I do not draw too many conclusions from my little exercise. It's only 18 sermons, he's surely delivered thousands. For all I know, the publishers chose the 18 most presentable ones, or his editor struck out offensive language. Obviously, nothing in here excuses his worse rhetoric. It's inconceivable to me that a man of the cloth could use a phrase like "garlic noses" referring to ancient Romans, as Newsday reported yesterday.
The only conclusion I draw, I suppose, is that I have now seen some evidence of the other side of the man. If it's true - and we don't know, but if - that 98% of his sermons were like these, then I can see why his defenders argue that the picture that's emerged of him is distorted.
I suppose I would also say this. In the larger American culture, conservatives over the last 25 years have been very successful in determining how we talk about race. One of their signal victories has been that anything smacking of "victimology," as it's called, is to be avoided and denounced in mainstream discussions. Any mention of slavery , for example, is inevitably greeted by some number of whites with: "Oh, that again? Please get over it already."
Well, for reasons that most white people either don't or don't care to understand, a lot of black people aren't over it. Every generation of black youngsters has to learn about this country's history, and every generation of black parents has to explain it. People like Wright are there to guide parents and children through that process. A politician must avoid these subjects, but a black minister must address them, and it seems to me must address them regularly. Nothing excuses hate speech - and, Lord, would it be too much to ask of your servant Jeremiah that he show a little remorse for his wilder comments?. But the minister will sometimes address these matters in ways that will make white people uncomfortable. That's a racial bridge we'll probably never cross, President Obama or no.
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racial resentments.
And I think you're a douche.
I dont give a shit what you think of me
in case if you were wondering
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