Obama's speech on race

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[HB1965]

We can pick fly shit out of pepper on this all day. it boils down to perception, I think a lot of folks have the same perception I do. If a Republican candidate had spent twenty years in a church run by an anti-American racist, I can't help but expect that you would question his beliefs.

It does boil down to perception.

McCain can turn on long held beliefs that the Religious Right is divisive and evil to giving commencement speech's at Falwell's school and accepting the endorsement of a number of whack job pastors then I perceive him to be a double talking moron.

 

[Pookie]

I'm talking about the Reverend. Those remarks of his were taken over time, enough for you to decide I would think.

So am I. He's said quite a bit over so many years. I'll have to see quite a bit more to put things in context than the sound bites I've heard. What I've heard is not acceptable. Obama has rejected those things. If you're going to argue that is all there is to this man, I'll have to see more to agree. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. But demonize away. McCain's gonna need all the help he can get.

 

[GingerBlossom]

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[Lost Cause]

One thing I like about B H O

http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/windowslivewritersmokeemifyougotem-12634obama-smoking2.png

 

[Wok]

http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/windowslivewritersmokeemifyougotem-12634obama-smoking2.png

Marlboros?

 

[busybody..]

Virginia Slims


He is Bi

 

[Wok]

Virginia Slims


He is Bi

Hey, as long as it gives a nicotine rush I am all for it be it straight, bi or gay smokes.

 

[MeeMie]

Can't be any clearer that he lied.



Direct quote on March 14, 2008
On My Faith and My Church
Barack Obama

"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign."

Direct quote on March 14, 2008
During Major Garret interview
Barack Obama
"None of these statements were ones that I had heard myself personally in the pews. One of them I had heard about after I had started running for president, and I put out a statement at that time condemning them. The other statements were ones that that I just heard about while we were -- when they started being run on FOX and some of the other stations. And so they weren't things that I was familiar with."



Direct quote on March 18, 2008

On Racism and Politics
Barack Obama

"Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course.
Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."

If there's any confusion (denial) about statements Obama claims he never heard while sitting in the pew are the same that "started being run on FOX and some other stations, see the previously quoted excerpts from Jim Davis article, a freelance correspondent for Newsmax, attended services along with Obama.

In his sermon that day, Wright tore into America, referring to the “United States of White America” and lacing his sermon with expletives as Obama listened. Hearing Wright’s attacks on his own country, Obama had the opportunity to walk out, but Davis said the senator sat in his pew and nodded in agreement.

That was in fact the subject matter of the recent video aired on FOX.

 

[MeeMie]

Excuse me, I am discussing this issue with Vetteman, an honorable man I disagree with, not with some slimy racist puke.

Excuse yourself, this is a public discussion board, not a discussion between you and another person. Rather immature name-calling, which is so typical when an opposing view is voiced.

 

[busybody..]

Excuse yourself, this is a public discussion board, not a discussion between you and another person. Rather immature name-calling, which is so typical when an opposing view is voiced.

Deal with it

QueerShitty, aka, DISEASED DICK DANGLER calls everyone a RACIST who doesnt HATE America

 

[Faneros]

Excuse yourself, this is a public discussion board, not a discussion between you and another person. Rather immature name-calling, which is so typical when an opposing view is voiced.

you are a racist puke....

 

[busybody..]

you are a racist puke....

why?

 

[JustSkye]

Beating a dead horse still...

I admired his speech. I don't see either Hillary or McCain getting their asses up there and addressing the country for anything they've done or said.

Holy fuck.

 

[Faneros]

why?

Cause Queersetti said so

 

[Queersetti]

I went back and checked his remarks to Major Garrett:

Obama: None of these statements were ones that I had heard myself personally in the pews. One of them I had heard about after I had started running for president, and I put out a statement at that time condemning them.

The other statements were ones that that I just heard about while we were -- when they started being run on FOX and some of the other stations. And so they weren't things that I was familiar with.

Once I saw them, I had to be very clear about the fact that these are not statements that I'm comfortable with. I reject them completely. They are not ones that reflect my values or my ideals or Michelle's. And that, had I heard them, had I been sitting in the church at the time that they were spoken, I would have been absolutely clear to Reverend Wright that I didn't find those acceptable. Obviously.

GARRETT: So, quick yes or no. If had you heard them in person you would have quit?

OBAMA: If I had heard them repeated, I would have quit. I mean, obviously, understand that -- understand that, you know, this is somebody who is like an uncle. If you have -- to me. He's somebody who helped me find Christ. And somebody who always talked to me in very powerful ways about relationship to God and our obligations to the poor.

Today he said:

I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy. For some, nagging questions remain. Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely – just as I’m sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests, or rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/obama_talks_to_major_garrett_o.html

I'll give you this Q, the above isn't enough to support an accusation that he lied, but I have to say that only the very naive will believe that Obama does not know the true philosophy of his mentor, and that philosophy is decidedly anti-American, and racist. The concern is how much of it he subscribes to after being steeped in it for twenty years.

We can pick fly shit out of pepper on this all day. it boils down to perception, I think a lot of folks have the same perception I do. If a Republican candidate had spent twenty years in a church run by an anti-American racist, I can't help but expect that you would question his beliefs.

I consider that fair comment. But I would point out that the last several Republican candidates have subscribed to what I think can fairly be considered rather extreme religious views, and the public discourse was such that it was not considered acceptable to question what they believed.

 

[JustSkye]

I consider that fair comment. But I would point out that the last several Republican candidates have subscribed to what I think can fairly be considered rather extreme religious views, and the public discourse was such that it was not considered acceptable to question what they believed.

And yet we have none of those chasing Mr.Obama adressing that. Imagine that.

 

[HB1965]

Beating a dead horse still...

I admired his speech. I don't see either Hillary or McCain getting their asses up there and addressing the country for anything they've done or said.

Holy fuck.

Excellent point

 

[Karen Kraft]

Man from Kenya, woman from Kansas. KK, eh?

I just KNEW he was talkin to me. Good thing he stopped before he got to the third "K"

All Say !!!!

 

[Slowlane]

I haven't read this thread, but I have heard the ministers words and read BHO's speech. If possible, BHO sinks even further in my opinion. If he cannot stand up and decry the words of a man who says, "God damn the US" he under no circumstances has the right to be President of that country. Would he have been as lenient had the man called his wife a whore? I would take exception to either or both. Otherwise I should be neither husband nor president.

 

[ccnyman]

Excellent point

Actually, wasn't it because Obama did not do or say anything that he had to make the speech now?

 

[HB1965]

I haven't read this thread, but I have heard the ministers words and read BHO's speech. If possible, BHO sinks even further in my opinion. If he cannot stand up and decry the words of a man who says, "God damn the US" he under no circumstances has the right to be President of that country. Would he have been as lenient had the man called his wife a whore? I would take exception to either or both. Otherwise I should be neither husband nor president.

And what part of, "I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy" did not see as "decrying" Wrights words?


And what about,"But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren’t simply controversial. They weren’t simply a religious leader’s effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country – a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

As such, Reverend Wright’s comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems – two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all."


I question your reading comprehenion ability

 

[Karen Kraft]

Actually, wasn't it because Obama did not do or say anything that he had to make the speech now?

Do people ever ask him about his exit strategy for Iraq?

Or maybe the economics of his national health care plan?

Do we really want to treat every candidate like we are on the Watergate Committee?

Really.

 

[JustSkye]

I haven't read this thread, but I have heard the ministers words and read BHO's speech. If possible, BHO sinks even further in my opinion. If he cannot stand up and decry the words of a man who says, "God damn the US" he under no circumstances has the right to be President of that country. Would he have been as lenient had the man called his wife a whore? I would take exception to either or both. Otherwise I should be neither husband nor president.

So the reverend doesn't have a right to say how he feels? Does Barack have to stand on top of the podium and call him a son of a bitch for voicing his dislikes, even though TWICE publicly addressing the reverend and what was said saying he disagreed with his views and how he felt about the US?