The hydrogen economy, how do we get there?

[MechaBlade]

You contribute nothing. That makes you nothing.

Ishmael

Your thread has been jacked and given a purpose.

It's for the best.

 

[Ishmael]

Your thread has been jacked and given a purpose.

It's for the best.

One always has to deal with idiots. Do you have anything meaningful to contribute? Or are you just sucking up bandwidth to no useful purpose?

Ishmael

 

[MechaBlade]

One always has to deal with idiots. Do you have anything meaningful to contribute? Or are you just sucking up bandwidth to no useful purpose?

Ishmael

Can't it be both?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

You contribute nothing. That makes you nothing.

Ishmael

Fucking hilarious.

You start a thread telling everyone how hydrogen is the preferred alternative, then want everyone else to figure out how production is feasible. So you can sit back and *chuckle* in that "I'm all knowing" fashion while you bash every answer you get.

Who the fuck decided that hydrogen is the answer? It's your baby, you started the thread. You tell us how to make it work wise ass.

Personally electric vehicles are the way to go IMO, Zero emissions. Don't ask me to validate your stupid ass argument re: hydrogen.

You were pegged somewhere around post #13, and I pegged you long ago. You don't want debate, you don't want answers. You want to pooh pooh on any idea that's tossed out that disagrees with what you have determined as the "right answer". You aren't interested in teaching, communication or enlightenment. Just wise-ass cracks and to flaunt your self aggrandizing notion that you're the smartest person ever.

You're the joke Ishmael, the only one that doesn't see it.. is you.

 

[Ishmael]

Can't it be both?

Not really.

Ishmael

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

One always has to deal with idiots. Do you have anything meaningful to contribute? Or are you just sucking up bandwidth to no useful purpose?

Ishmael

The biggest idiots I've met are always the one's hopping about bitching and whining about how they have to put up with all of the idiots around.

You fall neatly into that category Ishmael, fortunately for you, there are a couple others around to lick your boots and carry your water. I'm sure names don't need to be mentioned.

 

[marshalt]

Dudes, how much friggin' coal would we have to burn to power all those electric cars?

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Dudes, how much friggin' coal would we have to burn to power all those electric cars?

Yes, coal is the only way to produce electricity.
Two rocks is the only way to make fire.
Smoke signals are the only way to communicate over long distances.

 

[Peregrinator]

Dudes, how much friggin' coal would we have to burn to power all those electric cars?

Here's what the website says:

Don't electric vehicles actually just move pollution to another location? And therefore don't EVs still use oil?

No. Electric power generation in the USA does not use oil. Coal, hydro, nuclear, solar, and natural gas are typical sources for generating electricity. Power generation plants, even coal burning ones, are inherently more efficient and less polluting than vehicles due to economies of scale and the ability to more efficiently remove pollutants from a smaller number of much larger fixed locations.

Also, an electric car is far more efficient than a gasoline car, so the amount of pollution generated by producing the electricity to drive an EV a given distance is much less than the pollution from the gasoline to drive an internal combustion car the same distance.

You can read more in our Energy Efficiency section.

 

[marshalt]

Yes, coal is the only way to produce electricity.
Two rocks is the only way to make fire.
Smoke signals are the only way to communicate over long distances.

Yeah, that's how like most of the engery is produced...

 

[Ishmael]

Fucking hilarious.

You start a thread telling everyone how hydrogen is the preferred alternative, then want everyone else to figure out how production is feasible. So you can sit back and *chuckle* in that "I'm all knowing" fashion while you bash every answer you get.

Who the fuck decided that hydrogen is the answer? It's your baby, you started the thread. You tell us how to make it work wise ass.

Personally electric vehicles are the way to go IMO, Zero emissions. Don't ask me to validate your stupid ass argument re: hydrogen.

You were pegged somewhere around post #13, and I pegged you long ago. You don't want debate, you don't want answers. You want to pooh pooh on any idea that's tossed out that disagrees with what you have determined as the "right answer". You aren't interested in teaching, communication or enlightenment. Just wise-ass cracks and to flaunt your self aggrandizing notion that you're the smartest person ever.

You're the joke Ishmael, the only one that doesn't see it.. is you.

Don't get it, do you tard?

It is a prefered fuel. I'd like to see us get there. But it's not without it's problems.

You can either address the problems, or you can continue to make ad hominem attacks.

Me? I don't care. You're the one that ends up looking like an ignorant asshole. Like your really dumb ZPE reply.

You don't want to address the problems, you want to attack me for addressing the problems. What a leader.

Ishmael

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Don't get it, do you tard?

It is a prefered fuel. I'd like to see us get there. But it's not without it's problems.

You can either address the problems, or you can continue to make ad hominem attacks.

Me? I don't care. You're the one that ends up looking like an ignorant asshole. Like your really dumb ZPE reply.

You don't want to address the problems, you want to attack me for addressing the problems. What a leader.

Ishmael

You haven't addressed shit, just shot down any attempt at discussion that strayed from your preconceived notion of "What's the right answer according to Ishmael." This is a recurring theme with just about every thread that you start out with a question.

You aren't interested in discussion or answers, unless it's the answer you have already determined to be correct. Fuck you and your sanctimonious bullshit.

Hydrogen isn't the answer. The world is already suffering shortages of potable water due to pollution and drought. Now the answer is to convert what fresh water we do have into hydrogen to replace petroleum? Perhaps your idea to combat rising sea levels is to convert sea water in huge quantities into hydrogen? The only way we have presently to produce hydrogen in sufficient quantities is to power electrolysis via nuclear generators, the other options (solar, wind, hydro) aren't nearly as efficient..

If we're going to build nuclear plants anyway, which we should have done long ago, then why not bypass the electrolysis step altogether and use that electricity directly to power vehicles? Using the power generated to produce hydrogen to power vehicles that could be powered solely by electricity is foolhardy and a needless step in the wrong direction.

 

[Ishmael]

You haven't addressed shit, just shot down any attempt at discussion that strayed from your preconceived notion of "What's the right answer according to Ishmael." This is a recurring theme with just about every thread that you start out with a question.

You aren't interested in discussion or answers, unless it's the answer you have already determined to be correct. Fuck you and your sanctimonious bullshit.

Hydrogen isn't the answer, unless we figure out how to harvest hydrogen3 from the surface of the moon in mind numbing quantities and get it back earthside. The world is already suffering shortages of potable water due to pollution and drought. Now the answer is to convert what fresh water we do have into hydrogen to replace petroleum? Perhaps your idea to combat rising sea levels is to convert sea water in huge quantities into hydrogen? The only way we have presently to produce hydrogen in sufficient quantities is to power electrolysis via nuclear generators, the other options (solar, wind, hydro) aren't nearly as efficient..

If we're going to build nuclear plants anyway, which we should have done long ago, then why not bypass the electrolysis step altogether and use that electricity directly to power vehicles? Using the power generated to produce hydrogen to power vehicles that could be powered solely by electricity is foolhardy and a needless step in the wrong direction.

Nothing like a surrender from the terminally ill.

Ishmeal

 

[Ally C]

answer: walk

 

[Ishmael]

answer: walk

Ishmael

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Nothing like a surrender from the terminally ill.

Ishmeal

Oh go fuck yourself you mentally ill moron.

You don't have clue one about what you're going on about with regards to me or my views.

C'mon now, tell me how I've been against __________ forever, and how I'm responsible for the lack of __________ that could have saved the world from a devastating shortage of ___________ if only I hadn't stood in the way.

Stupid fucker, you know exactly Jack and shit. and Jack left fucking town.
By the way dumb ass, you mispelled you own name.

Now I know where LT's got Assmeal from.

 

[Ally C]

Subsidize the fuck out of research and production. Use money gained by removing all subsidies and tax breaks from petro fuel production, and charge the true cost of land used for drilling, exploration, etc. Do not prejudice against energy companies who do both; let them pay for petro stuff, and give them huge breaks for hydrogen development and production. Let their accountants figure out how to balance it to make it profitable.

Who needs a tax break at home, if foreign governments are pretty much giving away their nation's birthright? A slight tangent: events in Bolivia over the last few years spring to mind (it's conveniently coincidental that today is Labor Day).

I'm no expert on accountancy but, even if all of the above measures were enforced, they would still be dealing with astronomical sums. The only difference would be that the wealth would be more evenly distributed (health warning: that's not the same as saying that it would be fairly distributed), and the question that started this thread would be answered one way or another sooner rather than later.

 

[Ishmael]

Oh go fuck yourself you mentally ill moron.

You don't have clue one about what you're going on about with regards to me or my views.

C'mon now, tell me how I've been against __________ forever, and how I'm responsible for the lack of __________ that could have saved the world from a devastating shortage of ___________ if only I hadn't stood in the way.

Stupid fucker, you know exactly Jack and shit. and Jack left fucking town.
By the way dumb ass, you mispelled you own name.

Now I know where LT's got Assmeal from.

And we now know where UD is derived from.

Ishmael

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

And we now know where UD is derived from.

Ishmael

*laughing harder*

Really now? Enlighten us Ishmael, spread your wealth of knowledge.
I've just got to hear this line of idiocy.

 

[Ishmael]

*laughing harder*

Really now? Enlighten us Ishmael, spread your wealth of knowledge.
I've just got to hear this line of idiocy.

Why? If I'm going to spend knowledge it seems to me it should be spread on fertile ground, not wasted.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

Hydrogen is a prefered fuel for mobil transportation. It's 33% more efficient in the ICE than gasoline. But the problems of getting there are legion.

What are the problems? What are the possible solutions?

Ishmael

Radical Islam and the Democrats are winning the war, the oil is about to be shut off and with it any dreams of a technology-driven future. We have deer, ammo, and food. On the upside; it will force us into Algore's vision of a brighter, cleaner future.

Ever hear of Adam Haslett (You are not a Stranger Here.)? His notes to his biographer sound a lot like you; no I am not insane, you people are boring as hell and I have the patents to prove it...

 

[Ishmael]

Radical Islam and the Democrats are winning the war, the oil is about to be shut off and with it any dreams of a technology-driven future. We have deer, ammo, and food. On the upside; it will force us into Algore's vision of a brighter, cleaner future.

Ever hear of Adam Haslett (You are not a Stranger Here.)? His notes to his biographer sound a lot like you; no I am not insane, you people are boring as hell and I have the patents to prove it...

If it comes down to me or you, you're going to die unless we agree to a treaty.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

[voice=John Galt]

You want "The Motor?" GET OUT OF MY WAY!

[/voice]

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

If it comes down to me or you, you're going to die unless we agree to a treaty.

Ishmael

I'll be able to smell you tryin' to sneak up on me...



And I shoot like Lee Harvey, Oswald.

 

[Ishmael]

I'll be able to smell you tryin' to sneak up on me...



And I shoot like Lee Harvey, Oswald.

Yeah, right redskin.

Tell you what, you scout, I'll shoot. I'll call you Betty and you can call me Al.

Ishmael