The Edmund isn't the only Fitzgerald with troubles...
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Ishmael said:
Who is playing a game? I just want to get at the truth. Why is it so hard for you to post the link?
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Ishmael said:
i didn't realize asking for a link showed how smart i was.
again i didn't know 24 is a teen in your eyes.
Well thats a big DUH. I don't read every post on this board. I highly doubt you do as well.
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Ishmael said:
besides Ish can't you find something new to use on me? you shouldn't hold onto things that are not even a concern to anyone anymore.
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Ishmael said:
Fuck you would make one ugly woman
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Ishmael said:
wait wait....tell me the part where you think being 24 is a teen again..
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Ishmael said:
no, you need to tell me this again. It was comic gold Ish. I think your age is getting to you now. 24 a teenager hahahaha
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I was researching something else and ran across this;
Libby signed release over a year ago
You have to scroll down, WAY DOWN, to find the citation. The copy starts in the section labled, "Why didn't someone call us?"
Anyone could have found it or hundreds of articles like it.
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Libby signed release over a year ago
You have to scroll down, WAY DOWN, to find the citation. The copy starts in the section labled, "Why didn't someone call us?"
Anyone could have found it or hundreds of articles like it.
Ishmael
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kbate said:
I figured that out muy pronto.
But we're off topic.
The Libby thing is like a pinched inner tube that's ballooning in the wrong direction (media wise).
If you've ever spent any amount of time in DC you'll quickly find that it's one of the most gossipy cities in the US. They thrive on it. And the media whores most of all. If one reporter knows something, they all do.
It comes as no surprise at all that Plames name was bandied about over a year before it came to Libbys attention. The prosecution says this is of "no consequence." And in the strictest interpretation of the charges they're probably right. But the defense is going to fan that fire with everything at their disposal.
It's going to get real mean in the courtroom.
Is Pincus in jail yet? Haven't followed up on that one.
Ishmael
Truly, I have not followed the Scooter story as closely as I would like, It appears to me that most of the charges will end up null-pros., as the only evidence apparently is the defendents own recollections. Obstruction of Justice is nearly impossible to prove using such evidence. The perjury charge may have legs as at least one of his statements under oath contradicts the other.
As to the Plame outing, likely she was under Nominal State Department Cover, which is really the most basic of covers available and can be penetrated by asking the officer where they park in DC. Her outing is the least significant part of the case.
My own (non-google, and unable to back up with links) assessment is that Libby was thrown to the wolves in a political move to discredit Wilson and perhaps to politicise his statements and reports on Iraq; having his wife outed as a CIA employee ( I will not call her an agent or operative as these terms are for novelists ) simply lends credence to the supposition that Wilson was guilty of impropriety. I think this entire case goes back to Rove and was nothing more than dirty political pool which rebounded in a direction he did not anticipate. (see G.Gordon Liddy and Watergate break-in for precedent re: pawn and whipping boy for the chief of staff (or state))
As to the Plame outing, likely she was under Nominal State Department Cover, which is really the most basic of covers available and can be penetrated by asking the officer where they park in DC. Her outing is the least significant part of the case.
My own (non-google, and unable to back up with links) assessment is that Libby was thrown to the wolves in a political move to discredit Wilson and perhaps to politicise his statements and reports on Iraq; having his wife outed as a CIA employee ( I will not call her an agent or operative as these terms are for novelists ) simply lends credence to the supposition that Wilson was guilty of impropriety. I think this entire case goes back to Rove and was nothing more than dirty political pool which rebounded in a direction he did not anticipate. (see G.Gordon Liddy and Watergate break-in for precedent re: pawn and whipping boy for the chief of staff (or state))
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Rob, you're repugnant. If you had any balls you'd apologize. That was easily the most disgusting thing I've ever seen posted.
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kbate said:
I like people to back up their claims and quotes of others, especially those with a history of not being able to back things up. Also, some in this thread have been known to get things from the wrong column and such.
Some even like to generalize things to the point where it's an exaggeration too. Just sayin'
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kbate said:
Hmmm, I have a different spin on this.
Plame and Wilsons names were being bandied about DC by reporters for a year before either name was mentioned in the White House and almost a year before Wilson had his OpEd published. Why is that? Could Joe have been 'shopping' his tripe to the press over that period?
If that thought has legs, then it stands to reason that he'd have to mention his wife for no other reason that to establish his bona fides.
Now, the OpEd itself specifically mentions the Vice President as the initiator of Wilsons trip. (A little factoid later to have been found to be a lie.) So that would put the responsibility for a response squarely on Libbys desk, not Roves.
Rove may have been consulted, but this was pretty clearly Libbys play to make. And Libby did have to make a play. Wilsons OpEd was a political hit piece filled with lies. The administration had to retaliate with the truth. And they did. Those truths being that 1.) Cheney never sent Wilson nor requested he be sent. 2) It was Wilsons wife (Plame) that was the initiator of his selection for the trip. (And later we find out from the SSIC that, indeed, Iraq did approach Niger about acquiring yellow cake.)
Returning to the time line. For Rove to have been the prime mover here would be miraculous indeed. It would have to presume that Rove was aware of Wilson and Plame almost a year before their names came to light, that he knew that Wilson was going to write the OpEd piece and that he knew, before the fact, what the contents of that piece would be. I attribute no such pre-cognitive powers to Rove. He's good, but he's not that good.
If your going to look for any conspiracy in this you'd best start with Wilson.
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There is much more to the Miller jail time then just being a martyr for the rights of the press.
As you know, when a Special Counsel is given authority to investigate A, in time its expanded to investigate B-Z. See Starr!
Miller had in the past notified two trror groups they were going to be raided by the FBI PRIOR to the raid and these groups had time to destroy documents. (Yes, its all public info)
At one time, FitzHole INFORMED Miller's lawyer that he was going to question her about THAT as well as the Mrs WILSON matter.
That is why she cose jail, even though she had a release.
In fact, even in jail, she got ANOTHER release from Libby's lawyer, yet remained in jail for a couple of weeks
UNTIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She got a deal from FitzHole NOT to question her about ANYTHING but the Mrs WILSON fiasco!!!!!!!!!!!
In my book, FitzHole did a grave injustice to justice
A "charge" of false statements and often a charge of perjury (especially when it a he said/he said) is the last refuge of a scoundrel prosecutor
WHEN HE HAS NOTHING BUT WANTS TO JUSTIFY HIS "INVESTIGATION"
As you know, when a Special Counsel is given authority to investigate A, in time its expanded to investigate B-Z. See Starr!
Miller had in the past notified two trror groups they were going to be raided by the FBI PRIOR to the raid and these groups had time to destroy documents. (Yes, its all public info)
At one time, FitzHole INFORMED Miller's lawyer that he was going to question her about THAT as well as the Mrs WILSON matter.
That is why she cose jail, even though she had a release.
In fact, even in jail, she got ANOTHER release from Libby's lawyer, yet remained in jail for a couple of weeks
UNTIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She got a deal from FitzHole NOT to question her about ANYTHING but the Mrs WILSON fiasco!!!!!!!!!!!
In my book, FitzHole did a grave injustice to justice
A "charge" of false statements and often a charge of perjury (especially when it a he said/he said) is the last refuge of a scoundrel prosecutor
WHEN HE HAS NOTHING BUT WANTS TO JUSTIFY HIS "INVESTIGATION"
Pookie said:
I don't particularly care if people can back up their claims with the quotes of others. I usually use the qualifiers, "In my opinion, or My assessment, or I think" to inform the reader that I do not have fact to back up my posts and they can take them for what they are, the rambling thought of an oestrogen addled brain.
If you post a factual article, yes, post a link to provide the scientific basis for your assertions, but if you are posting as I prefer, with your own thought and opinion then links are relatively useless and generally hinder the process.
A large number of my posts are probably incorrect, baseless and without any basis in fact. A significant portion of them are intentionally so, just to stir the pot of controversy and to attempt to force people to think outside of their comfortable googled links.
When people post links traceable to Moveon.org, Democratic Underground, Violence Policy Center and other single sided icons of truth, their links have less value than not having posted a link at all. (same goes for links to NRA, Fox Editorials, and Drudge)
Literotica has sufficient intelligent minds to allow argument without google as the prime arbiter. Any debater worthy of the title should be able to argue either side of any argument with equal vigour and still make good copy (and have more fun).
