During the primaries, ol’ A_J posited that the Clintons did Howard Dean in…

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The Kennedy-Kerry wing hijacked the party in 2004 - and it spelled disaster for the Democrats.

But Democratic leaders who lean far-left don't see it that way - and they played a key role in backing Howard Dean.

Dean would not have gotten the DNC nomination without backing from the Kennedy-Kerry faction.

Dean makes no bones about his dislike of the Clintons, whom he blames for his disastrous primary showing.

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This past week, U.S. News and World Report's "Washington Whispers" noted that Dean "admires Newt Gingrich more than he does Bill Clinton."

U.S. News cites Fox News correspondent Major Garrett, who spoke with Dean for Garrett's book "The Enduring Revolution: How the Contract With America Continues to Shape the Nation."

Dean credits Gingrich for having "created a real success for the right wing."

http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/2/14/124719.shtml


What’s the sound of one party imploding?

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! ?

 

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Mudwrestlemania '05

Dean V. Hillary

Who's your pick to win?

 

[ksmybuttons]

What the Right Merry-Go-Round (Fox and Newsmax) says:

Howard Dean, the man Democrats are poised to name their new party chair, admires Newt Gingrich more than he does Bill Clinton. We learn this from Fox television's Major Garrett, who penned The Enduring Revolution: How the Contract With America Continues to Shape the Nation . Garrett interviewed Dean for the book on the GOP revolution that occurred during Clinton's first term. Dean says Gingrich and former Christian Coalition strategist Ralph Reed "created a real success for the right wing." Clinton, meanwhile, led the Dems into complacency and defeat.

What the Dems say it is:

The Need to Oppose vs. the Need to Offer Alternatives. Newt Gingrich may be an odd Democratic hero, but the genius of the former Speaker's take-no-prisoners politics is now the hottest talking point in Democratic politics. Gingrich relished the role of opposition leader in Bill Clinton's first term: He fought down Clinton's health care bill, making the rookie president look like a failure. He undercut Clinton's crime bill, which was supposed to be a moderate, "New Democrat" approach, by making it look like a package of liberal social programs. And he was unrelenting in attacking the ethics of Democratic leaders.

Not that Dean's job is to set policy in the DNC - his job is to raise money...

When you quote Newsmax and Fox you might as well be a puppet on a string...

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Well, the top spots are all being held by the more Liberal elements of the party.

Hillary is running to the right.

Dean does set policy in this regard: The far left will send him money over the internet. He is their voice and he has yet to prove that he can keep his mouth shut.

When the Dems say it, by your post, they are saying obstruct, obstruct, obstruct, but when it comes to their "Contract with America," they cannot publish it because it will piss the hell out of either Dean's contributing constituency or it will alienate the center and right.

Based on the comments of people like Soros, I don't see them anti-ing up the big bucks again as long as the Face of the Party is Dean, Pelosi, and Reid.

As for being a Monkey on a string, Newsmax runs liberal pundits as well as conservative pundits who think Bush is Satan too (try LeBoutillier sometime!)! I don't see that when I visit more Liberal sources of reporting. Take CBS, for example...

One also has to wonder about somebody who dismisses Fox out-of-hand since it has by far become the leader in reporting the news if Neilson and Ad dollars are to be believed. I'll lay you dollars to donuts that once in a while, even Al Jazeerah makes some good points.

Dean's point is, he wants a "Contract fo America" from the left. If that's not trying to drive policy, I don't know what is.

I ask you. Who IS in charge over there and who IS driving policy?

 

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Since you hate Fox and conservatives let's try a Democrat from the pages of the Wall Street Journal: http://opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110006284

 

[RobDownSouth]

Well, the top spots are all being held by the more Liberal elements of the party.

Hillary is running to the right.

Dean does set policy in this regard: The far left will send him money over the internet. He is their voice and he has yet to prove that he can keep his mouth shut.

Absolute horseshit and wishful thinking.

The top spots in the current Democratic senate are NOT held by "more Liberal elements" . Senator Reid has given virtually every top policymaking spot in this Congress to conservative leaning red state Democrats.

Conservative Democrate Max Baucus of Montana is in charge of Senate Democratic opposition to Bush's privatization scheme. Biden, no flaming liberal, is in charge of leading the Senate Democrat charge on foreign policy.

Reid has done a masterful job at forging a true coalition of Democrats so far....and that more than anything else is why Bush's Social Security Deform plan is foundering. I especially like the way Reid bitchslapped Joe "Zell" Lieberman. Lieberman went on the talk shows a-posturin' about how Reid didn't speak for him, a tactic he used to get away with regularly under Daschle. Reid took Lieberman aside and told ole Joe Zell that if he kept it up he could kiss his committee chairmanships goodbye and Joe Zell caved in quicker than you could say "Ishmael Fact".

And Reid and Dean sat down and carved out a mutually beneficial lines of authority for both men: Reid makes policy, Dean makes money. Period. And no amount of wingnut spin is going to change that.

 

[RobDownSouth]

This past week, U.S. News and World Report's "Washington Whispers" noted that Dean "admires Newt Gingrich more than he does Bill Clinton."

Using that specious line of extrapolation, we can conclude that AJ prefers Communist China over the United States....after all, AJ got his adopted daughter from there.

 

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Absolute horseshit and wishful thinking.

The top spots in the current Democratic senate are NOT held by "more Liberal elements" . Senator Reid has given virtually every top policymaking spot in this Congress to conservative leaning red state Democrats.

Conservative Democrate Max Baucus of Montana is in charge of Senate Democratic opposition to Bush's privatization scheme. Biden, no flaming liberal, is in charge of leading the Senate Democrat charge on foreign policy.

Reid has done a masterful job at forging a true coalition of Democrats so far....and that more than anything else is why Bush's Social Security Deform plan is foundering. I especially like the way Reid bitchslapped Joe "Zell" Lieberman. Lieberman went on the talk shows a-posturin' about how Reid didn't speak for him, a tactic he used to get away with regularly under Daschle. Reid took Lieberman aside and told ole Joe Zell that if he kept it up he could kiss his committee chairmanships goodbye and Joe Zell caved in quicker than you could say "Ishmael Fact".

And Reid and Dean sat down and carved out a mutually beneficial lines of authority for both men: Reid makes policy, Dean makes money. Period. And no amount of wingnut spin is going to change that.

But here's the thing. Reid used to be for most of what Bush has proposed. It's on the record and when the Republicans put out a fact sheet pointing that out, he started whining about personal attacks. What he is saying now is the exact opposite of positions he held before meaning he is shifting to the Left even as Hillary is Lurching to the right.

That's gonna have to cause a showdown because other than Hillary, who do you have as a good, credible candidate? Obama looks promising, but he's pretty conservative too and the money Dean raises simply doesn't come from the consrvative wing of the party.

That's just what I'm seeing. I'd like to see a message and a plan out of your party. Did you read the WSJ column? Not a challenge, just a question because it points out, I'm not the only one seeing this.

A_J

 

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Using that specious line of extrapolation, we can conclude that AJ prefers Communist China over the United States....after all, AJ got his adopted daughter from there.

There's a LOT more to what Dean said. He threw down the gauntlet and all but accused Bill of wrecking the party for chosing short-term expediency in his politics and not taking any long-range view.

Again, I think Dean is calling for the Party to Liberalize and stake out who they are and what their vision of America is. That will kill them and Hillary's chances.

I'm not trying to make it personal, just trying to figure out what is going on over there.

Rangals comments are getting way over the top too...

He's starting to sound like LT.

 

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[RobDownSouth]

But here's the thing. Reid used to be for most of what Bush has proposed. It's on the record and when the Republicans put out a fact sheet pointing that out, he started whining about personal attacks. What he is saying now is the exact opposite of positions he held before meaning he is shifting to the Left even as Hillary is Lurching to the right.

That's gonna have to cause a showdown because other than Hillary, who do you have as a good, credible candidate? Obama looks promising, but he's pretty conservative too and the money Dean raises simply doesn't come from the consrvative wing of the party.

That's just what I'm seeing. I'd like to see a message and a plan out of your party. Did you read the WSJ column? Not a challenge, just a question because it points out, I'm not the only one seeing this.

A_J

I'm not surprised that the Republicans have resorted to that "Reid used to support Bush" stuff.

Hell, *I* supported privatization of Social Security accounts back in 2000....

But that was back when we had a surplus.

Remember the surplus?

Well, times change...situations change. Some people adapt with the times. And some, like President Bunnypants, pride themselves on "staying the course'...even if that course leads us over a cliff.

And yes I did read the WSJ column. No surprises there. Dig deep enough and you'll find someone willing to espouse a particular view. Tell me the truth: had you ever heard of "Ted Van DyK" OR "the Milken Institute" before today?

 

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Throb. Right now, social security receipts are in surplus of payouts, so taking some of the money and putting into accounts doesn't affect the deficit unless you realize that Congress is simply taking all that income and spending it leaving nothing but IOU's.

Put that money into private accounts and it creates jobs and revenues, revenues of the kind that Congress is supposed to be basing its spending on.

As Ishmael alluded to in his other thread, they are treating our pension in the most base and mafia-controlled Union manner...

As one Democrat recently said, we need to increase our rate of personal savings.

Another thing we need to do, and the Democrats COULD be doing this, is get the word out on medical savings accounts which people are not using. That too would boost the economy and raise tax receits.

 

[Saint Boner]

Dean is only the head of the DNC to bring in the cash. The Dems pulled in more money than ever before in the last cycle. Dean is a money gathering machine.
Personally I don't see how people like Dean and McCain can continue in politics after experincing how their own people stuck it up their ass in Primaries. I lost all respect for McCain for backing Bush after what bush did to him in SC the election before. The deal with the "Dean Scream" just boggles my mind. I am more scared of how the media took that phony ball and ran with it to help get Dean pushed out of the way than anytrhing else. Well maybe even more scared of how the public watched the truth of the matter on TV and still bought the bullshit. But I digress...


Hillery Clinton will never be President of the United States.

I don't see how the Kennedys have much clout left in the Dem. Party.

 

[zipman]

When you quote Newsmax and Fox you might as well be a puppet on a string...

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