Publication time

[MillieDynamite]

@m_and_em_stories, this is the site. Scribophile

 

[MillieDynamite]

Ya think?

I suggested recently in a discussion that we should pay per submission, to enable the site to hire more staff. That would improve the response time but also retain an incentive to get the editing right the first time. The suggestion wasn't met with universal acclaim....

 

[m_and_em_stories]

I suggested recently in a discussion that we should pay per submission, to enable the site to hire more staff. That would improve the response time but also retain an incentive to get the editing right the first time. The suggestion wasn't met with universal acclaim....

It seems there are some paid/subscription platforms. It's possible that's what I'll have to do to find what Im looking for and I'm open to that. I also understand some people not wanting that

@m_and_em_stories, this is the site. Scribophile

Thank you I will check that out.

 

[MillieDynamite]

It has a free membership, but that may be limited. I joined the site during the pandemic, but it didn't work for me. I have a publisher who provides me with cover art and edits my stories. When I publish them here, I don't use the version he published; I use my self-edited version of the story that I sent him. It wouldn't be right to publish the work he improved when he doesn't benefit from my stories being here.

It seems there are some paid/subscription platforms. It's possible that's what I'll have to do to find what Im looking for and I'm open to that. I also understand some people not wanting that

Thank you I will check that out.

 

[ElectricBlue]

It seems there are some paid/subscription platforms. It's possible that's what I'll have to do to find what Im looking for and I'm open to that. I also understand some people not wanting that

Thank you I will check that out.

There's also Theoreads, which is a new start up, but you won't see this useful information.

 

[Actingup]

It seems there are some paid/subscription platforms. It's possible that's what I'll have to do to find what Im looking for and I'm open to that. I also understand some people not wanting that

Thank you I will check that out.

See also this thread on things to consider when you're looking at other platforms.

 

[M_K_Babalon]

It's encouraging me more not to submit anything at all to be honest. I had decided to give things a second chance but I'm shopping around and testing other platforms. I don't expect I'll post much more without seeing some sort of change to give me more control over my work, but this initial series was never going to be good anyways since it was my first dabble into the world of erotica.

You can stick with it, or find something else, or both. Lit and Lush are the only two sites I know that are moderated. Nowhere is gonna be perfect, though.

 

[TheWritingGroup]

I have to give credit to the AH people as a whole: I haven't noticed more than one or two people saying, "Just start your own web site if you think it's so easy!"

--Annie

 

[Statius]

I have to give credit to the AH people as a whole: I haven't noticed more than one or two people saying, "Just start your own web site if you think it's so easy!"

--Annie

I'm on it!

Except I'm technologically challenged.

Anyone? Anyone? No?

Guess I'll stay on LitE, hang in forums, procrastinate writing as I struggle with myself about whether or not I'm capable of the task I've chosen for myself.

Besides, how I could I leave all these funny, fun, smart people I've met?

That last part is not a joke. If I left, I'd miss many of you, including the ones I don't usually connect with.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

I asked for feedback and received it. I then made further changes and further edits and submitted it.

From this, it appears as if you have some misconceptions about how this, and most other similar story sites are designed to function.

What you are looking for is something like a "critique circle", where you can post drafts of your work, receive feedback, and then use this to improve your work. An admirable approach to improving your writing skill.

The expectation on this site, and thus the processes developed to support it, are that the stories submitted are ready for publication. The "edit" process is in place to allow minor errors in spelling, grammar, continuity, etc., to be corrected. It is not designed to support a draft being published and then rehashed based upon reader feedback.

Disappointment comes only from unfulfilled expectations. Adjust your expectations to align with what this site is designed to provide and you'll be much happier.

 

[cw5523729]

That last part is not a joke. If I left, I'd miss many of you, including the ones I don't usually connect with.

Even the people with ugly feet?

 

[Statius]

Even the people with ugly feet?

Everyone has ugly feet. That's the point. EVERYONE.

 

[cw5523729]

Everyone has ugly feet. That's the point. EVERYONE.

I dunno. I think we can objectively say that some feet are uglier than others



See? Super ugly.

 

[m_and_em_stories]

I dunno. I think we can objectively say that some feet are uglier than others

View attachment 2579821

See? Super ugly.

Oh god. It's the toenails...

 

[m_and_em_stories]

Disappointment comes only from unfulfilled expectations. Adjust your expectations to align with what this site is designed to provide and you'll be much happier.

I mostly agree you until this statement. Disappointment doesn't just come from unfulfilled expectations, its such a reductive statement to throw into a discussion. Also having a desire for things to work differently after learning how they work doesn't make me personally unhappy, it just gives me a desire to find something different that matches my expectations.

To be clear, I actually didn't have a lot of starting expectations, I am dipping my toe in the waters and learning how things work. This is all new to me and I had no baseline for what to expect. At each step of the process I found barriers to accomplishing any given task that I found frustrating, regardless of the reasons or excuses for those barriers they exist. Using this site as it currently functions is inherently limited as you keep pointing out, and I've been learning as I used it. Some embrace that limitation and others obviously do not accept it as the many, many discussion of the issues and problems on the site give evidence to.

What the limitations of the site taught me is I would benefit from using a different platform, and for those that were constructive in their feedback and giving me other options to look into I am thankful. Had I not posted my frustrations with the site, I likely wouldn't have some of the information and resources I'm currently looking into now. I don't see any need to change my now formed criteria and desire for a more powerful platform that gives authors better control over their works in general and that isn't inherently a criticism of Lit, despite how some people take it. Separating that however there are still valid criticisms of Lit itself as a publishing platform and I stand by many of my points.

I will end with a general statement to a few of the people replying. Some of you take criticisms of lit very personally, and for some reason feel the need to be aggressive and dismissive. Definitely a lot of condescension laced throughout some replies. If you're tired of new users having the same complaints as past users, just move on and don't participate. If you aren't willing to be constructive or alternatively even reconsider your entrenched views why engage?

One thing I will applaud is the ability to ignore accounts to make it easy not to engage with these types. There are multiple examples of people engaging constructively in this thread to learn from!

 

[MillieDynamite]

I had this little bit of bile in the back of my throat. Not quite a puke.

I dunno. I think we can objectively say that some feet are uglier than others

View attachment 2579821

See? Super ugly.

 

[AwkwardMD]

I stand by my last statement:

>They really need to re-consider empowering authors on this site to manage their works.

Leaving crappy versions up because they can't prioritize easier and faster work that empower authors is a mistake IMO. Not saying they don't moderate it just not shoving it to the back of the queue.

Treat it like any other story first come first serve.

It'll never happen.

 

[cw5523729]

I stand by my last statement:

>They really need to re-consider empowering authors on this site to manage their works.

And minutes after they enabled that, someone would submit a story, wait for it to be approved, then modify it in some way that's no longer compliant with the TOS - underaged content, links to outside sources, simple outright spam, you name it.

 

[AwkwardMD]

And minutes after they enabled that, someone would submit a story, wait for it to be approved, then modify it in some way that's no longer compliant with the TOS - underaged content, links to outside sources, simple outright spam, you name it.

I wouldn't be shocked if this happened before, early on, and is why things are the way they are now.

 

[StillStunned]

It'll never happen.

And there's no reason why it should. Lit isn't a beta testing environment. There's no reason to rush it out for publication. There's no need to collect reader feedback before finalising your story. There's no reason why Lit should have to do twice the work - or more, with repeated edits - just because the writer can't be bothered to make the proper effort up front.

 

[cw5523729]

I wouldn't be shocked if this happened before, early on, and is why things are the way they are now.

Me neither. While the current system does royally suck, when you are operating a site like this (or any site at all that allows user content to be submitted,) you have to assume that someone will look to violate the rules in every possible way they can, sometimes in the most creative ways possible.

 

[m_and_em_stories]

To be clear, I never said remove moderation. My suggestion is a first come first serve basis too moderation and regarding more control it in relation to un-publishing/deleting published works and direct ways to made edits to published stories.

A user could spam new stories or edits either way, so I don't see the potential for abuse but I'd be OK with guardrails like only allowing a single edit to be submitted by a user at a time.

Yes I get it'll never happen, just clarifying in no way have I once suggested removing moderation from edits.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

I mostly agree you until this statement. Disappointment doesn't just come from unfulfilled expectations, its such a reductive statement to throw into a discussion. Also having a desire for things to work differently after learning how they work doesn't make me personally unhappy, it just gives me a desire to find something different that matches my expectations.

To be clear, I actually didn't have a lot of starting expectations, I am dipping my toe in the waters and learning how things work. This is all new to me and I had no baseline for what to expect. At each step of the process I found barriers to accomplishing any given task that I found frustrating, regardless of the reasons or excuses for those barriers they exist. Using this site as it currently functions is inherently limited as you keep pointing out, and I've been learning as I used it. Some embrace that limitation and others obviously do not accept it as the many, many discussion of the issues and problems on the site give evidence to.

What the limitations of the site taught me is I would benefit from using a different platform, and for those that were constructive in their feedback and giving me other options to look into I am thankful. Had I not posted my frustrations with the site, I likely wouldn't have some of the information and resources I'm currently looking into now. I don't see any need to change my now formed criteria and desire for a more powerful platform that gives authors better control over their works in general and that isn't inherently a criticism of Lit, despite how some people take it. Separating that however there are still valid criticisms of Lit itself as a publishing platform and I stand by many of my points.

I will end with a general statement to a few of the people replying. Some of you take criticisms of lit very personally, and for some reason feel the need to be aggressive and dismissive. Definitely a lot of condescension laced throughout some replies. If you're tired of new users having the same complaints as past users, just move on and don't participate. If you aren't willing to be constructive or alternatively even reconsider your entrenched views why engage?

One thing I will applaud is the ability to ignore accounts to make it easy not to engage with these types. There are multiple examples of people engaging constructively in this thread to learn from!

The bottom line is that you are seeking something that the site is purposely not designed to support. I can't do my banking on Facebook, but I don't expect to do so.

I don't expect to edit stories that I submit for publishing. If they're not already edited and publication ready, I don't submit them, which is the way I started here more than a decade ago.

Personally, I have never found the site to be "inherently limiting", as you implied. In fact, I would prefer it to be more restrictive in some ways to promote the improvement of the content and the experience for readers and writers alike. It currently allows for shoddy, lazy, and inconsistent content submissions that overburdens the admins and delays publication (or edits) for everyone.

 

[m_and_em_stories]

The bottom line is that you are seeking something that the site is purposely not designed to support. I can't do my banking on Facebook, but I don't expect to do so.

I don't expect to edit stories that I submit for publishing. If they're not already edited and publication ready, I don't submit them, which is the way I started here more than a decade ago.

Personally, I have never found the site to be "inherently limiting", as you implied. In fact, I would prefer it to be more restrictive in some ways to promote the improvement of the content and the experience for readers and writers alike. It currently allows for shoddy, lazy, and inconsistent content submissions that overburdens the admins and delays publication (or edits) for everyone.

Ironic my suggestions directly address improving content and the experience, but you reject them while wanting your own changes to accomplish the same. It also wouldn't inherently overburden anyone and I'm open to ways to implement changes that would help reduce that burden that despite everyones assumptions I have any desires for the opposite.

The straw man arguments are tiring.

I came here to learn how it works. I've now learned to some degree, and whether people like it or now there are many valid criticisms of Lit for what it is, for what it isn't and what it could be.

A better analogy would be finding a new bank because the one I started with doesn't support the features I want to use and other banks do have those features. Sure this one will store my money and give me a debit card, but wanting more options and features like spending tracking, e transfers, automatic bill payments etc are all common for many banks and some still are behind.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Ironic my suggestions directly address improving content and the experience, but you reject them while wanting your own changes to accomplish the same. It also wouldn't inherently overburden anyone and I'm open to ways to implement changes that would help reduce that burden that despite everyones assumptions I have any desires for the opposite.

The straw man arguments are tiring.

I came here to learn how it works. I've now learned to some degree, and whether people like it or now there are many valid criticisms of Lit for what it is, for what it isn't and what it could be.

A better analogy would be finding a new bank because the one I started with doesn't support the features I want to use and other banks do have those features. Sure this one will store my money and give me a debit card, but wanting more options and features like spending tracking, e transfers, automatic bill payments etc are all common for many banks and some still are behind.

We all have different levels of tolerance, and I fully accept that mine may be higher than yours. That doesn't make either of us wrong. I wish you the best of luck.