More Deplorable violence: Trump says he wants Democrats to be executed.

[HumpDayHoratio]

The only way to see things differently would be to suggest orders aren't lawful.



Probably look at what the government is doing in the open sea.

Hint: not lawful

Ah…the pivot begins…

The implication from our esteemed members of the senate are they ARE unlawful, but when asked to go on the record…they simply couldn’t say? Odd, no?

What the government is doing in the open sea is lawful and has precedent from the Dalai Bama (peace be upon him) era drone strikes. Congress carved out certain exceptions to Posse Comitatus…mainly maritime and counter narcotics support.

I will agree this is new territory, but your sources saying it’s illegal are wrong.

One more thing I want to circle back to. How not only is this seditious activity from our senators, but just how irresponsible their little ruse is. See, what you and the other Little Piggy’s don’t understand is the burden of proof of Illegality of orders is on the service member!

They are not only encouraging our military into possibly committing sedition, but by not explaining that it is all on them…well. I’m guess’n Ol’ AstroBoy won’t be coming to help a low ranking naval tar in his defense.

 

[ll74]

Ah…the pivot begins…

No pivot. If the orders are lawful, then their message doesn't apply.

That is what they said...unlawful orders.

Aka....you're the one spinning what they said. That would be why I have a simple response and you need four paragraphs to explain your spin.

 

[coati]

I don’t have much time today so I’m going to include all the class La Stupido’s in one post.

This is a case study of how the left operates.

First off…can any of you 3 Little Pigs name an unlawful order that was given? No, you can’t.

Don’t try and blow smoke up the others skirts either, because the same question was posed to a couple of the senators and congressmen and NOT ONE Of them claimed on the record that ANY unlawful order was given.

Second, if any of you pussypiggy’s had served, you’d know that what the lawmakers were saying is taught in EVERY Basic Training and OCS course the military has. Basically on day one. So, the military doesn’t need any pandering political smear tactics attempting to seduce a service member into a seditious act so they can make political hay out of it (which is what they’re hoping for.)

Third, they openly advocated for the CIA to commit insurrection and rebellion. Which as they Should know, and what makes this more egregious, is not only seditious but illegal for the CIA to be operating on US soil.

So, there’s your facts piggy’s. Squeal amongst yourselves. This should be good.

Oh…and our girl Slotkin? The former Pentagon official, who was with Ol’ Pudd’n Head on the trip where he ordered Ukraine to fire the prosecutor looking into corruption at the Burisma energy company that employed his son? Yeah…

You Little Pigs are all the same…

The squealing is coming from you and your Daddy Pig.

Cry some more...

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

No pivot. If the orders are lawful, then their message doesn't apply.

That is what they said...unlawful orders.

Aka....you're the one spinning what they said. That would be why I have a simple response and you need four paragraphs to explain your spin.

You just said the orders were unlawful, did you not? Which is it?

You’re getting confused with your talking points. Either the military is committing unlawful acts or they’re not. I’ve only shown you why they’re lawful…and yes, you can’t sum that up in one sound bite to borrow a phrase.

What you’re telling me is the esteemed members of the senate put out a Video to attempt to smear the Commander in Cheif, and now that It has BACKFIRED, what I’m telling you is spin.

Quiet Piggy…

 

[ll74]

You just said the order were unlawful, did you not? Which is it?

I said that the orders to blow up boats were unlawful
Yes

You’re getting confused with your talking points. Either the military is committing unlawful acts or they’re not. I’ve only shown you why they’re lawful…and yes, you can’t sum that up in one sound bite to borrow a phrase.

They aren't lawful
We don't own the seas.
We aren't at war

What you’re telling me is the esteemed member of the senate put out a Video to attempt to smear the Commander in Cheif, and now that It has BACKFIRED, what I’m telling you is spin.

Quiet Piggy…

I don't need to smear anyone.....dude publicly smears himself

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

I said that the orders to blow up boats were unlawful
Yes


They aren't lawful
We don't own the seas.
We aren't at war


I don't need to smear anyone.....dude publicly smears himself

Seven senators don’t agree with your assessment. They, like you, don’t like it, You all can squeal to high heaven, but you’re wrong…

It’s just that you don’t understand you’re wrong. They DO understand very well what kind of fire they’re playing with. It’s shameful, it’s sedition, and they know better.

You unfortunately can be forgiven…

 

[ll74]

Seven senators don’t agree with your assessment. They, like you, don’t like it, You all can squeal to high heaven, but you’re wrong…

They said, openly - unlawful orders should it be followed.

You can disagree as you want.

It’s just that you don’t understand you’re wrong. They DO understand very well what kind of fire they’re playing with. It’s shameful, it’s sedition, and they know better.

You unfortunately can be forgiven…

It's not.

The Trump cock in your mouth makes things difficult ..I get it

 

[Bodington]

News alert #1: We lost the war in Vietnam, and Lt. Calley was prosecuted for war crimes. The soldiers who had the integrity to disobey him and turn him in are heroes. We had no good reason to invade that country, and we got our butts kicked. Throwing that guy out of a helicopter was also a war crime.

News flash #2: There is no war in Portland or our other major American cities, and no war has been declared in Venezuela.

News flash #3: Karoline Leavitt is a goon of the fascist Pig. There is nothing wrong with reminding soldiers that they have a responsibility to question illegal orders, such as brutalizing American citizens, extrajudicial killings on the high seas, or any other fascist move by the Pig.

The fact we lost the war in Vietnam is not germane to the topic of this thread. Lt Calley was not convicted of war crimes but simply of pure murder. He was sentenced to life imprisonment but upon appeal his sentence was reduced to ten years and was paroled after just serving three years. The main soldier to turn him in was given immunity in exchange for his testimony; most of Calley’s troops were reluctant to testify against him.

In my view the notion of “war crimes” is a contradiction in terms. Murder is obviously a crime in of itself, but the duty of a soldier in war is to kill the enemy. Even children can be the enemy and subject to murder. In the movie “American Sniper” which was a biographical war drama film based on the memoir of Chris Kyle, the most successful Navy SEAL sniper, showed a scene where Kyle killed a preteen child and then his mother. The child had been carrying a Russian-made RKG-3 anti-tank grenade to attack U.S. marines on patrol. When the child succumbed to Kyle’s sniper shot, the mother picked up the grenade but was stopped cold as well by Kyle’s sniper shot.

Your News flash #2 emphasizes the duplicity of the message in the video put out by Sen Slotkin and others. Yes a district court judge ruled that it was unlawful of Pres Trump to order national guard troops to be deployed in Portland. But then again on appeal the appellate court ruled Trump’s actions were lawful. Logic would suggest that if esteemed federal court Judges have different views on what is lawful and what is not, then a lowly enlisted soldier or sailor would be hard put to discern what is a lawful order and what is not that is given by their superior.

Therefore, your assertion that there is nothing wrong with Slotkin’s message is so wrong. It undermines the discipline that is so vital for military personal to survive in their tasks. Incidentally, I mention her only for brevity, and because living in Michigan, wish to note that I sure as Hell did not vote for her, although my wife almost did because Slotkin’s commercials were undeniably seductive; fortunately common sense prevailed and she voted a straight Republican ticket. And after this news item my wife is glad she did not for Slotkin after all

Finally I’m bemused at your complaints about extrajudicial killings on the high seas. Are you suggesting that Trump needs judicial approval before carrying out a military operation? Are you distressed by the plight of drug dealers attempting to bring deadly narcotics to US soil?

 

[StrentWriter]

Even children can be the enemy and subject to murder. In the movie “American Sniper” which was a biographical war drama film based on the memoir of Chris Kyle, the most successful Navy SEAL sniper, showed a scene where Kyle killed a preteen child and then his mother. The child had been carrying a Russian-made RKG-3 anti-tank grenade to attack U.S. marines on patrol. When the child succumbed to Kyle’s sniper shot, the mother picked up the grenade but was stopped cold as well by Kyle’s sniper shot.

That’s a pretty disgusting take, tbh.

And frankly inhumane.

You’re not civilised.

 

[coati]

The fact we lost the war in Vietnam is not germane to the topic of this thread. Lt Calley was not convicted of war crimes but simply of pure murder. He was sentenced to life imprisonment but upon appeal his sentence was reduced to ten years and was paroled after just serving three years. The main soldier to turn him in was given immunity in exchange for his testimony; most of Calley’s troops were reluctant to testify against him.

In my view the notion of “war crimes” is a contradiction in terms. Murder is obviously a crime in of itself, but the duty of a soldier in war is to kill the enemy. Even children can be the enemy and subject to murder. In the movie “American Sniper” which was a biographical war drama film based on the memoir of Chris Kyle, the most successful Navy SEAL sniper, showed a scene where Kyle killed a preteen child and then his mother. The child had been carrying a Russian-made RKG-3 anti-tank grenade to attack U.S. marines on patrol. When the child succumbed to Kyle’s sniper shot, the mother picked up the grenade but was stopped cold as well by Kyle’s sniper shot.

Your News flash #2 emphasizes the duplicity of the message in the video put out by Sen Slotkin and others. Yes a district court judge ruled that it was unlawful of Pres Trump to order national guard troops to be deployed in Portland. But then again on appeal the appellate court ruled Trump’s actions were lawful. Logic would suggest that if esteemed federal court Judges have different views on what is lawful and what is not, then a lowly enlisted soldier or sailor would be hard put to discern what is a lawful order and what is not that is given by their superior.

Therefore, your assertion that there is nothing wrong with Slotkin’s message is so wrong. It undermines the discipline that is so vital for military personal to survive in their tasks. Incidentally, I mention her only for brevity, and because living in Michigan, wish to note that I sure as Hell did not vote for her, although my wife almost did because Slotkin’s commercials were undeniably seductive; fortunately common sense prevailed and she voted a straight Republican ticket. And after this news item my wife is glad she did not for Slotkin after all

Finally I’m bemused at your complaints about extrajudicial killings on the high seas. Are you suggesting that Trump needs judicial approval before carrying out a military operation? Are you distressed by the plight of drug dealers attempting to bring deadly narcotics to US soil?

Yup, you sound like a Deplorable Republican.

 

[stxjimmy]

And not one of those is unconstitutional.

You shouldn’t take legal advice from derpy.

 

[Saint_Ann]

You shouldn’t take legal advice from derpy.

You should believe everything you read on the internet.

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

They said, openly - unlawful orders should it be followed.

You can disagree as you want.


It's not.

The Trump cock in your mouth makes things difficult ..I get it

Now we have a Maritime Lawyer…

You Little Pigs just keep getting funnier! Again…critical thinking. IF it was unlawful, your seven or eight senators would be screaming from the rooftops. They’re not. They’re playing footsie with half truths and innuendo. You stupid little piggies fell for it hook line and sinker.

What pisses me off is, they’re going to get some troops in trouble by advocating for this. Idiot’s like you will move on to the next manufactured outrage of the day.

Pretty pathetic. Four of those senators are former service members. They “should” know better.

 

[Bodington]

That’s a pretty disgusting take, tbh.

And frankly inhumane.

You’re not civilised. (sic)

Yes the killing of the child was horrible but as Gen Sherman of the Civil War fame said, "War is Hell". You are suggesting that Kyle should not have killed the child and its mother; better to have let the child succeed in killing a passel of US marines instead. As for being civilized I would say I am pragmatic. Sure, I think war is Hell, but world history is replete with instances of war.

 

[Bodington]

Yup, you sound like a Deplorable Republican.

And you sir are suffering from Stage IV of TDS. If you are young enough that you will still be alive, say thirty-five years from now, you will find yourself in a tiny minority as Trump will be universally regarded as a great President. Your grandchildren would simply roll their eyes whenever you try to spout out your negative rhetoric and be otherwise totally ignored.

 

[YDB95]

If you are young enough that you will still be alive, say thirty-five years from now, you will find yourself in a tiny minority as Trump will be universally regarded as a great President.

Whatever you're smoking, I want some!

 

[StrentWriter]

Yes the killing of the child was horrible but as Gen Sherman of the Civil War fame said, "War is Hell". You are suggesting that Kyle should not have killed the child and its mother; better to have let the child succeed in killing a passel of US marines instead. As for being civilized I would say I am pragmatic. Sure, I think war is Hell, but world history is replete with instances of war.

No, I’m suggesting the principle of starting out with children as legitimate targets is wrong, and always will be.

Case in point.

Over 20,000 children have died in Gaza in two years. Gaza went from not registering in the lists of child amputees to now having the largest contingent in the world, in two years.

Gaza is also home to the largest contingent of amputee children with no surviving family.

When you enable the worst of us, when you make everyone a legitimate target, what you are doing is not war, but genocide.

And you using a fictional story to try and justify killing children as an ethical standard to commit war frankly sickens me. Get help.

 

[Bray123]

"I was only following orders" is not an excuse. It's a confession.

Source: The Nuremburg Trials.

 

[stxjimmy]

He’s already one of the most unpopular, in 35 years when his many crimes are acknowledged and fully documented there’ll be post grad students submitting theses about how so many were willing to support him with such fervour and so willingly.

 

[coati]

And you sir are suffering from Stage IV of TDS. If you are young enough that you will still be alive, say thirty-five years from now, you will find yourself in a tiny minority as Trump will be universally regarded as a great President. Your grandchildren would simply roll their eyes whenever you try to spout out your negative rhetoric and be otherwise totally ignored.

Nahhh, that ain't how the story ends for fascists, especially when they get deeply involved in ethnic cleansing.

 

[icanhelp1]

You just said the orders were unlawful, did you not? Which is it?

You’re getting confused with your talking points. Either the military is committing unlawful acts or they’re not. I’ve only shown you why they’re lawful…and yes, you can’t sum that up in one sound bite to borrow a phrase.

What you’re telling me is the esteemed members of the senate put out a Video to attempt to smear the Commander in Cheif, and now that It has BACKFIRED, what I’m telling you is spin.

Quiet Piggy…

These fucking politicians who produced this video are vile, disgraced TDS laden democrats.

The statement these political hacks put forward was intended to sew confusion within the enlisted ranks and command structure of our military. It suggested that soldiers were being given illegal orders without any illegal orders being given or any examples of illegal orders given. It was a vague suggestion based on destructive political rhetoric and hatred for Trump. Those traitors were using our military as political pawns hoping to create subterfuge within the ranks. This statement was cleverly crafted as to allow plausible deniability of any seditious intent but the subliminal seed is planted. We know UCMJ is taught to our soldiers but it’s limited in scope and certainly doesn’t make our soldiers constitutional lawyers nor does it give soldiers enough knowledge of the law as to all of a sudden they become legal experts. That’s what the JAG is for. The drug boats attacks have been scrutinized by legal experts. Soldiers being deployed in our cities have been legally cleared for the duty with strict instructions on engagement. These political hacks should be expelled from congress for sedition. These seditious politicians are attempting to create confusion and divide within the chain of command which could result challenging all legal orders. Soldiers need to do their job and resist the political noise. Just believe you’ll know when an illegal order is given, they’re stark, very obvious and immoral.

 

[ll74]

Now we have a Maritime Lawyer…

Are you suggesting that unlawful orders should be followed?

You Little Pigs just keep getting funnier! Again…critical thinking. IF it was unlawful, your seven or eight senators would be screaming from the rooftops. They’re not. They’re playing footsie with half truths and innuendo. You stupid little piggies fell for it hook line and sinker.

Attacking a boat in open waters is not legal under US and international law
Either way, Democrats didn't tell anyone to not attack boats in International waters

What pisses me off is, they’re going to get some troops in trouble by advocating for this. Idiot’s like you will move on to the next manufactured outrage of the day.

Pretty pathetic. Four of those senators are former service members. They “should” know better.

What pisses you off is what the President told you to be pissed about. The people who create outrage about this is evident by those who create threads in this forum about it ...and that's not me

 

[Bray123]

Soldiers need to do their job and resist the political noise....

Correct. All in uniform should refuse to attack people in the street just to satisfy some racists in DC who think that people should be deported even when they have been living, working and paying taxes for 50 years.

 

[icanhelp1]

Correct. All in uniform should refuse to attack people in the street just to satisfy some racists in DC who think that people should be deported even when they have been living, working and paying taxes for 50 years.

You're uninformed and outright ignorant.

 

[Meekly_Anna]

The fact we lost the war in Vietnam is not germane to the topic of this thread. Lt Calley was not convicted of war crimes but simply of pure murder. He was sentenced to life imprisonment but upon appeal his sentence was reduced to ten years and was paroled after just serving three years. The main soldier to turn him in was given immunity in exchange for his testimony; most of Calley’s troops were reluctant to testify against him.

In my view the notion of “war crimes” is a contradiction in terms. Murder is obviously a crime in of itself, but the duty of a soldier in war is to kill the enemy. Even children can be the enemy and subject to murder. In the movie “American Sniper” which was a biographical war drama film based on the memoir of Chris Kyle, the most successful Navy SEAL sniper, showed a scene where Kyle killed a preteen child and then his mother. The child had been carrying a Russian-made RKG-3 anti-tank grenade to attack U.S. marines on patrol. When the child succumbed to Kyle’s sniper shot, the mother picked up the grenade but was stopped cold as well by Kyle’s sniper shot.

Your News flash #2 emphasizes the duplicity of the message in the video put out by Sen Slotkin and others. Yes a district court judge ruled that it was unlawful of Pres Trump to order national guard troops to be deployed in Portland. But then again on appeal the appellate court ruled Trump’s actions were lawful. Logic would suggest that if esteemed federal court Judges have different views on what is lawful and what is not, then a lowly enlisted soldier or sailor would be hard put to discern what is a lawful order and what is not that is given by their superior.

Therefore, your assertion that there is nothing wrong with Slotkin’s message is so wrong. It undermines the discipline that is so vital for military personal to survive in their tasks. Incidentally, I mention her only for brevity, and because living in Michigan, wish to note that I sure as Hell did not vote for her, although my wife almost did because Slotkin’s commercials were undeniably seductive; fortunately common sense prevailed and she voted a straight Republican ticket. And after this news item my wife is glad she did not for Slotkin after all

Finally I’m bemused at your complaints about extrajudicial killings on the high seas. Are you suggesting that Trump needs judicial approval before carrying out a military operation? Are you distressed by the plight of drug dealers attempting to bring deadly narcotics to US soil?

So, in your opinion, anything should be allowed and possible in war. Screw the Hague Convention, screw the Declaration of Human Rights. Just kill prisoners, kill medics, kill random people on the high seas without trial.
Fine.
Let's hope that in the next war, the enemy remembers the American position you're advocating here. GI Joe surrendered? Doesn't matter. Take the shovel and beat him to death. Why waste ammunition? Why feed him? Dead, he costs less.
You caught a sniper? Fine. Do what you did with the crows. Hang him from a tree. Maybe his screams will scare away a few others.

You're a stupid asshole if you want that. If you're a soldier and you get orders from an officer that amount to that, shoot him.