Female Dominated Universe Creations

Sunblind13

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It seems to me that the vast majority of stories that examine the concept of female superiority show the female as not only physically, but also mentally and emotionally, dominant to such an extent that it is almost a story of two distinct races - not racial groups - races (like the human race as opposed to the Klingons or the Xenomorphs). And never the twain shall meet.

The thing is the twain does meet because with Klingons - and to a lesser extent Xenomorphs - there’s usually a range of emotional and mental intelligences. There are smart humans and there are smart Klingons. So, no matter who is physically stronger, if inclined, they are capable of valuing each other’s thoughts, etc., and can, in certain universes, exist as equals. They can be friends and work together and fall in love, etc.

For stories in the human female superiority genre, where in addition to every woman being the physical superior of every man, it seems that the dumbest woman is usually at least twice as intelligent as the smartest man. Men are completely devalued - not because of some short-sighted societal construct perpetrated by the women - but because they are, in actuality, to the last man, physically, mentally, and emotionally inferior to every last woman. In such circumstances it is not worth the “ink” to examine any given male/female relationship because in such circumstances male/female relationships do not exist. (Unless you are one of those people that believe you can have a “soulmate” relationship with a chimp.)

Another way to look at it is the short-sighted societal construct thing - I think the word for it is hubris - can serve as defeatable plot conflict. The complete disconnect between the genders cannot. (If one gender is entirely made up of superbeings who surpass the other gender in every possible way, the superbeings can’t be driven by character defects. They simply are superior. End of discussion.) Don’t get me wrong, if male subjugation with no realistic possibility of examining the relationships within the discord is your jam…good on you. It’s just not for me.

I am interested in examining stories of loving couples who live in societies that are dominated by females where the basic fundamental leading to female dominance is the physical superiority of the female gender. I take away the mental and emotional superiority, but I substitute a biological compulsion for dominance linked to the physical strength and what I usually get is nothing more than a bully. Now it becomes the loving couple’s job to defeat the bully. (So, the story is really just a “Defeat the Monster” archetype with a little Forbidden Love plot device thrown in for good measure.)

So I put a loving couple in a world where women run the show, and men are, as a function of female hubris arising from biological compulsions, relegated to second class status. My protagonists, however, are willing, entirely due to their love for one another - True Love is the reason that my female protagonist is able to control her biological urge to dominate - to address their compulsions, and push back on them vis-a-vis their personal relationship, and in terms of how they behave in the greater society. This creates conflicts with the world at large and with each other that always require them to have one another’s backs, and sometimes even test their love.

I want her to be mandated to dominate him in public. I want her to be mandated to allow other women to dominate him in public, and, perhaps, even in private. I want her to be mandated to dominate other men in public. I want her to be biologically compelled to dominate him in private, including the bedroom. I want her to be entirely conflicted about all of these scenarios because she is at all times fully cognizant that her (and other women’s) physical domination means nothing in the face of his contributions to their lives and he is always worthy of her respect. I want other women not to have these conflicts. I want him to know that he’s worthy, but that just means he can never fail to live up to a much higher standard.

I invented the characters. Their names are A.J. and Janey.

I invented a universe in which they live. It is called the New Paradigm.

https://www.literotica.com/s/a-j-and-janey-in-the-new-paradigm

There are several authors who have invented female dominated universes. I want to tell A.J. and Janey’s story in all of those universes as an homage to the inventors of those universes.

Here are the rules:
  1. Although the universes are all female dominated, they each have their own quirks. No aspect of any universe can be changed in any way.
  2. A.J. and Janey from the New Paradigm are not universe hopping. The A.J.’s and Janey’s in the multiverse are, and always have been, residents of their particular universe.
  3. A.J. and Janey are each other’s True Love in each universe.
  4. Happy endings are not guaranteed.

Here are my questions:
  1. Given the overwhelming proclivity of female dominated universe genre stories to focus entirely on the complete and utter superiority of the female, am I completely off base in my assumption that there is an audience for stories in which at least one couple’s relationship is based on respect and love even though she’s superhumanly strong completely misguided?
  2. Would love suggestions for universes in which to explore A.J. and Janey’s story.
 
Ya know, men have an easier time building muscles than women and are naturally stronger. So I don't see why in a universe where that's reversed you can't have a mutually loving respectful relationship.
 
All over the world, and for a reason that they don't yet know, every incel and Loving wives reader just began to cry.
 
My brain started to hurt about halfway through, but I'm pretty sure it was something about Klingons and Xenomorphs working together and falling in love... and then my brain shut down completely when I started imagining that couple giving each other oral sex... 😬
 
My brain started to hurt about halfway through, but I'm pretty sure it was something about Klingons and Xenomorphs working together and falling in love... and then my brain shut down completely when I started imagining that couple giving each other oral sex... 😬
Oh, someone could write a xenomorphs/predators starcrossed lovers story. Since those two aliens are actually set in the same universe!
 
My brain started to hurt about halfway through, but I'm pretty sure it was something about Klingons and Xenomorphs working together and falling in love... and then my brain shut down completely when I started imagining that couple giving each other oral sex... 😬
Imagine the xenomorph yanking down your pants and declaring "this looks like a job for the little mouth" :(
 
Here are my questions:
  1. Given the overwhelming proclivity of female dominated universe genre stories to focus entirely on the complete and utter superiority of the female, am I completely off base in my assumption that there is an audience for stories in which at least one couple’s relationship is based on respect and love even though she’s superhumanly strong completely misguided?
  2. Would love suggestions for universes in which to explore A.J. and Janey’s story.
This may not be what you have in mind, but The Third Ring: Tamsin of Sky Village is placed in a matriarchal society inspired by the native Keres-speaking people in New Mexico. Women are the clan leaders. They own their homes and in some communities they own the farmland as well. Women also initiate relationships. They aren't physically or mentally superior to men, they simply have different social roles. Men hunt, fight, and farm. Women have and raise families. The relationship between Tamsin and her lover Michael is important to the story.

As is typical of SF/F, views are low, but the story is well accepted, so I would say to #1, there is an audience for the story probably any way you want to write it.

As for #2, take a look at Tamsin if you like. It's a single, fairly brief story--especially by SF/F standards. I hope it gives you ideas, but it's my universe and I intend to continue writing in it, so I don't want you using it. I'd expect other authors to feel the same way, so you should get specific permission from them if you want to write in their universe.
 
Oh, someone could write a xenomorphs/predators starcrossed lovers story. Since those two aliens are actually set in the same universe!
Dark Horse Comics presents the story of literal star-crossed lovers who will be together even if it kills them, or they kill each other.

On sale next month A sexual Predator enters the hive #1
 
in a Sci Fi work in progress, I have an earth that is under alien invasion where, approx 30 years into the invasion, the prior prejudices about women in the military have been completely turned because in the initial invasion so much of the male dominated military was annhilated that female fighter pilots (for example) became the norm and you've now had a generation that has grown up with that perception. military leadership is also almost entirely female.
 
in a Sci Fi work in progress, I have an earth that is under alien invasion where, approx 30 years into the invasion, the prior prejudices about women in the military have been completely turned because in the initial invasion so much of the male dominated military was annhilated that female fighter pilots (for example) became the norm and you've now had a generation that has grown up with that perception. military leadership is also almost entirely female.
 
Have you read Adrian Tchaikovsky's "children of time"? It rather brilliantly explores this, but with an intelligent spider society where the male spiders are oppressed.


One type of story I've never understood is the genre of lesbian fantasies in which men don't exist and seem never to have existed. (So not like "Y man".) The Arete is an example. No men. Yet... there's a whole class of women fulfilling male roles and behaving, well, like men. So much so that, as you read it, you have to keep reminding yourself some of the characters are female. Some get to sleep with whoever they like, no judgement, whereas others are confined by this cult of virginity, and it's not clear why that applies to some characters and not others.

I don't get it. I don't see the point. I know some women are really into very masc women. Fine, not knocking that. But surely part of the attraction (for me at least) of a lesbian relationship is that it is NOT based on patriarchal values and power structures. So when a female only world just mirrors our world's values, just with no penises, I find that a profoundly depressing thought.
 
One type of story I've never understood is the genre of lesbian fantasies in which men don't exist and seem never to have existed. (So not like "Y man".) The Arete is an example. No men. Yet... there's a whole class of women fulfilling male roles and behaving, well, like men. So much so that, as you read it, you have to keep reminding yourself some of the characters are female. Some get to sleep with whoever they like, no judgement, whereas others are confined by this cult of virginity, and it's not clear why that applies to some characters and not others.

I don't get it. I don't see the point. I know some women are really into very masc women. Fine, not knocking that. But surely part of the attraction (for me at least) of a lesbian relationship is that it is NOT based on patriarchal values and power structures. So when a female only world just mirrors our world's values, just with no penises, I find that a profoundly depressing thought.
Following this trail off to the side, one of the reasons I like the Kushiel's series by Jacqueline Carey so much is that Phedre, and to a lesser extent Sidonie and Ysandre, can be a strong, brilliant, agency-having heroine without ever really stepping outside more-or-less traditional feminine gender roles. Fantasy is filled with authors who write strong female characters by giving them male traits and attitudes. That's fine, nothing wrong with it. But it does often associate heroic actions and heroic agency with traditionally masculine virtues*, and it's very cool to have a series that essentially says I am a woman, I do not need to be anything else to be heroic.

*I'm thinking specifically here of a novel called By the Sword, which was a better-seller, I think, back in the '90s. It's about a woman who overcomes various institutional sexisms to become a renowned mercenary captain, then falls in love with a gentle boy with deep blue eyes or whatever. And the thing is, none of the sexisms present much of an obstacle, really, because she's better at fighting and drinking and running and everything else than all the men. The result is a novel where the pronouns of the two romantic leads could be swapped without altering their presentations on the page one iota.
 
I really appreciate your post, because you're pointing at something most female-dominance universes struggle with:
the moment women are not only politically but biologically superior, men cease to be characters and become props.

This kills drama, romance and even conflict, because there's no bridge left between the genders.

In my current project I went the opposite direction (or at least I'm trying): instead of biological superiority, the society is female-led through culture, institutions and history. Women dominate because the system shapes them to lead, not because they're a different species. This keeps men fully human, with agency and competence, even when the hierarchy is stacked against them. It also creates the kind of emotional tension you're describing, where love has to fight against compulsory dominance, public expectations and ritualised power.

So yes, I absolutely think there is an audience for what you want to write, especially if your Janey is strong but not infallible, and your A.J. contributes something real beyond submission. Female dominance becomes much more interesting when it’s cultural rather than biological. It keeps both sides human, and it makes the relationship worth reading because the love actually has something to push against.
 
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