Why Liberals Don’t Understand Conservatives

[icanhelp1]

MAGA isn't conservative. MAGA is a cult of personality.

I never said it was. MAGA is a slogan.

 

[icanhelp1]

I won't waste anyone's time with examples of conservatives displaying no accountability or respect for meritocracy. trump

Along with meritocracy is self reliance.

 

[ll74]

I never said it was. MAGA is a slogan.

It started out as a slogan.
It's not a cult of personality.

 

[JohnEngelman]

That is not a good thing. Government is one of the worst possible places it can go.

The New Deal made the Great Depression deeper and longer and established numerous agencies to regulate our lives and take away our choices, many of which still exist.

AI Overview

• 1932: The unemployment rate was around
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• 1940: The unemployment rate was approximately
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• After eight years of the Roosevelt administration the United States was recovering from the Great Depression. That is why Roosevelt was reelected two more times, and why the GOP has not been able to repeal New Deal reforms.

 

[SkyBubble]

You're deciding religion doesn't matter when it does.

Of course, religion matters, but again, it's a framework. It's too broad for the purposes of this study.

What are the specific moral concerns that you derive from your religion (or lack of it)? That's where Haidt's work focused. There is simply a wider range of moral foundations and concerns on the right than on the left. That' why conservatives understand liberals much better than liberals understand conservatives.

 

[ll74]

Of course, religion matters, but again, it's a framework. It's too broad for the purposes of this study.

Yes, the study is not adequate for its purpose

What are the specific moral concerns that you derive from your religion (or lack of it)? That's where Haidt's work focused. There is simply a wider range of moral foundations and concerns on the right than on the left. That' why conservatives understand liberals much better than liberals understand conservatives.

Morality is mostly based on religion.
If you can express a moral statement without your religious perspective, please do so.

 

[HisArpy]

If you can express a moral statement without your religious perspective, please do so.

Please explain pre-religion based society using this hypothesis. Because I'm fairly certain that paleontologists have pretty much decided that neanderthals and cro-magnon mankind weren't all that devout yet they created society and invented trade based on rules of fairness and morality.

 

[ll74]

Please explain pre-religion based society using this hypothesis. Because I'm fairly certain that paleontologists have pretty much decided that neanderthals and cro-magnon mankind weren't all that devout yet they created society and invented trade based on rules of fairness and morality.

So you're agreeing with me
Thank you.

I never said religion wasn't the basis for morals

 

[HisArpy]

So you're agreeing with me
Thank you.

I never said religion wasn't the basis for morals

WTF? Are you off your meds again?

 

[ll74]

WTF? Are you off your meds again?

Haven't had meds since I broke my sternum after my accident

 

[Chadrone]

Conservatism is dead.
Republicans are now fascist authoritarians.
Also, you’re a liar and I can prove it.

"fascist authoritarians" say the totalitarian control freaks who lost at the ballot box.....

"Conservatism" aka not communist woke-tards, isn't dead....you're just mad you lost to it.

 

[HisArpy]

"fascist authoritarians" say the totalitarian control freaks who lost at the ballot box.....

"Conservatism" aka not communist woke-tards, isn't dead....you're just mad you lost to it.

They really do seem to believe that if they stamp their feet 3 times while repeating themselves, whatever they're saying is true.

 

[Chadrone]

They really do seem to believe that if they stamp their feet 3 times while repeating themselves, whatever they're saying is true.

Karenist acting like Karens.....it's just the nature of Karencrats.

 

[HisArpy]

Karenist acting like Karens.....it's just the nature of Karencrats.

I kept in touch with the forum during my sabbatical for the past month and it's really offputting to see that certain liberal members have continued to act like children well beyond the practical lifespan of that particular character trait. They don't learn, they don't listen, and they insist they're smarter than everyone else as they imbibe their drugs and complain that they're not getting enough government dole while blaming the world for oppressing them.

The best one yet is that they're going to go rob/loot grocery stores if they don't get their SNAP bene's tomorrow. I wonder what they'll say if the police show up and arrest them for it? Will they complain that they got arrested for committing a felony? Or be glad the cops didn't set up an ambush and just shoot them on sight during the commission of that felony?

 

[Chadrone]

I kept in touch with the forum during my sabbatical for the past month and it's really offputting to see that certain liberal members have continued to act like children well beyond the practical lifespan of that particular character trait. They don't learn, they don't listen, and they insist they're smarter than everyone else as they imbibe their drugs and complain that they're not getting enough government dole while blaming the world for oppressing them.

They're never responsibile for their actions, it's always someone else's fault.

The best one yet is that they're going to go rob/loot grocery stores if they don't get their SNAP bene's tomorrow.

Yea that's funny, they don't realize how much damage they are doing to their own brand and I'm loving it.

I wonder what they'll say if the police show up and arrest them for it? Will they complain that they got arrested for committing a felony? Or be glad the cops didn't set up an ambush and just shoot them on sight during the commission of that felony?

They will cry of course, they're always the victim....accountability is OPPRESSION!!

I really wish we would re-affirm private property rights and start making defense of private property a thing again, all this bullshit would stop real fast.

 

[SkyBubble]

AI Overview

IOW, you let AI do it for you.

 

[icanhelp1]

I kept in touch with the forum during my sabbatical for the past month and it's really offputting to see that certain liberal members have continued to act like children well beyond the practical lifespan of that particular character trait. They don't learn, they don't listen, and they insist they're smarter than everyone else as they imbibe their drugs and complain that they're not getting enough government dole while blaming the world for oppressing them.

The best one yet is that they're going to go rob/loot grocery stores if they don't get their SNAP bene's tomorrow. I wonder what they'll say if the police show up and arrest them for it? Will they complain that they got arrested for committing a felony? Or be glad the cops didn't set up an ambush and just shoot them on sight during the commission of that felony?

A fucking Massachusetts judge is ruling that snap payments have to be made regardless of shutdown.

 

[SkyBubble]

Yes, the study is not adequate for its purpose

Once again, you're not understanding it, which doesn't surprise me.

Your approach is like trying to study quarks by looking at molecules. Haidt's work was focused on the particles within that religious framework. Besides, you're clearly not getting what the study was about or how it was constructed. It wasn't about moral philosophy per se, but about how well people understood the worldview of others. Haidt's "Moral Foundations Theory" is the "why" behind his findings.

I know your narrow little ideology requires you to grasp at any straw to try to discredit the data, because in your cult's world, it's not allowed to be true. But it is true, and valid, and you're simply embarrassing yourself by your desperate efforts to deny reality.

 

[HisArpy]

A fucking Massachusetts judge is ruling that snap payments have to be made regardless of shutdown.

The appeals court will stay that order.

First of all, the government cannot be ordered to pay funds which Congress hasn't authorized. Currently there's no authorized funding because there's no budget and the government has been shut down.

Secondly, the court has no authority to override the executive's decisions on what programs are funded. To allow the courts to do so intrudes on the Executive's Constitutional powers and oversteps the court's authority.

 

[icanhelp1]

The appeals court will stay that order.

First of all, the government cannot be ordered to pay funds which Congress hasn't authorized. Currently there's no authorized funding because there's no budget and the government has been shut down.

Secondly, the court has no authority to override the executive's decisions on what programs are funded. To allow the courts to do so intrudes on the Executive's Constitutional powers and oversteps the court's authority.

There's a pile of snap money set aside for emergencies and a judge is ruling that the government spend it.

 

[HisArpy]

There's a pile of snap money set aside for emergencies and a judge is ruling that the government spend it.

There's an ambiguity in the law which some believe prevents that money from being expended for those needs. The judge is saying that the ambiguity doesn't exist. That's an untested opinion which the appeals court will have to decide.

I'm thinking they'll stay the lower court's decision as they do it because it will prejudice the government beyond any possible remedy should the courts ultimately decide the money couldn't be spent that way.

 

[ll74]

Once again, you're not understanding it, which doesn't surprise me.

I understand that you are relying on a piece of literature that says that religion isn't involved on moral discourse.

No moral analysis can ignore religion in a.credoe fashion.

 

[HisArpy]

I understand that you are relying on a piece of literature that says that religion isn't involved on moral discourse.

No moral analysis can ignore religion in a.credoe fashion.

And yet there's this bit about early, pre-religion, man creating a moral and just society in which property rights were enforced.

Or do you believe you could just waltz up and steal his food or his mate without repercussion unless he prayed to a god he hadn't envisioned yet?

 

[icanhelp1]

There's an ambiguity in the law which some believe prevents that money from being expended for those needs. The judge is saying that the ambiguity doesn't exist. That's an untested opinion which the appeals court will have to decide.

I'm thinking they'll stay the lower court's decision as they do it because it will prejudice the government beyond any possible remedy should the courts ultimately decide the money couldn't be spent that way.

The judge wants a decision by Monday. I wonder if the appeals court could rule in time?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/snap-food-stamps-judge-order-trump-administration-shutdown/

Judge says Trump administration is required to continue paying some SNAP benefits​

 

[HisArpy]

They judge wants a decision by Monday. I wonder if the appeals court could rule in time?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/snap-food-stamps-judge-order-trump-administration-shutdown/

Yes. An emergency administrative stay could be placed within a short time after the ruling is made. Faster if the lower court refuses to stay their decision while that administrative stay is sought because of the irreparable harm aspect.