Is there literally no place for traditional cuckold stories on Lit?

[yowser]

What is an example of the system assigning tags? I’m only aware of it being a totally manual function which the author performs.

They do get added (or 'redone') but infrequently. More than one of my stories.

 

[Voyeurkenneth]

Based on the transgender/crossdressing category split earlier this year, I had personal hopes that the LW category might be split too. If done, I think it'd help quell the divide; it wouldn't happen right away, of course, but over an extended period of time, I think the resulting categories would eventually settle in.

 

[Robin_Starveling]

Based on the transgender/crossdressing category split earlier this year, I had personal hopes that the LW category might be split too. If done, I think it'd help quell the divide; it wouldn't happen right away, of course, but over an extended period of time, I think the resulting categories would eventually settle in.

I honestly can’t understand why not just create a new category “Cheating” and end this nightmare for anyone who wants to share their fantasies about marital kinks without having to endure the relentless assault of those bigots. Just put those fanatic whackos in their designated quarantine area and be done with it.

No need to rearrange the old stuff; just apply it to new stories.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

What nightmare?

 

[Lifestyle66]

I honestly can’t understand why not just create a new category “Cheating” and end this nightmare for anyone who wants to share their fantasies about marital kinks without having to endure the relentless assault of those bigots. Just put those fanatic whackos in their designated quarantine area and be done with it.

No need to rearrange the old stuff; just apply it to new stories.

It's not a nightmare.

I have my fun setting their hair on fire with a good sharing story!

Like in my latest story, I DARE the judgmental types to call the Special Forces HALO team sergeant a wimp when in the story he's referring to them as a bunch of name-calling pussies! You just need to look for ways to phrase it to leave them speechless. I've only gotten ten comments, and the negative ones are those who said they didn't read it.

 

[TheNovelist2000]

Okay, here we go again with the reading impaired. (You're not the first to bring up the "hardcore cuckold" bullshit as "loving".)

Why can’t humiliation come from love? Do you think every woman who humiliates her man doesn’t love him? Humiliation in cuckoldry is a kink, just like any other, and many women fulfill it out of love. If anyone here is reading-impaired, it’s you. In your own definition—“Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more”—can’t you see the word more? Who says the LW category is strictly for swinging and sharing?

People share their wives for many different reasons. It might be because of the taboo, because they want to swing and sleep with other women, because they enjoy the excitement of seeing their wife pleasured, or simply because they like the humiliation. Who are you to say that humiliation isn’t a valid reason for someone to share their wife? The existence of a readership for hardcore cuckold stories is proof that there are people who want this and who do it because it fulfills them.

I could understand if a priest said any form of extramarital sex is wrong—but you? You’re already breaking social norms for your own pleasure, yet you take issue when others do it in a different way or for a different reason? The hypocrisy is unbelievable.

 

[TheNovelist2000]

I've always equated it with a form of submission a marital form of BDSM in a sense and humiliation is a big part of my style. If one reads the story through and doesn't start squealing, you'll see some signs the husband is into it, but often has a conflicted type of love hate with his own kinks and acceptance of what his wife does and that deep down it turns him on.

Exactly! I feel the same way about this. The most common question I get in the comments is: Why does the husband tolerate it? I can’t believe I even have to explain this—he doesn’t just tolerate it, he loves it! Why would anyone tolerate something they don’t enjoy? It’s not like the wife could stop him from walking out. The reason he doesn’t leave should be obvious to any incel in the comments: he stays because he loves it.

 

[Lifestyle66]

Why can’t humiliation come from love? Do you think every woman who humiliates her man doesn’t love him? Humiliation in cuckoldry is a kink, just like any other, and many women fulfill it out of love. If anyone here is reading-impaired, it’s you. In your own definition—“Married extra-marital fun: swinging, sharing & more”—can’t you see the word more? Who says the LW category is strictly for swinging and sharing?

People share their wives for many different reasons. It might be because of the taboo, because they want to swing and sleep with other women, because they enjoy the excitement of seeing their wife pleasured, or simply because they like the humiliation. Who are you to say that humiliation isn’t a valid reason for someone to share their wife? The existence of a readership for hardcore cuckold stories is proof that there are people who want this and who do it because it fulfills them.

I could understand if a priest said any form of extramarital sex is wrong—but you? You’re already breaking social norms for your own pleasure, yet you take issue when others do it in a different way or for a different reason? The hypocrisy is unbelievable.

Google the definitions:

Sadistic: "deriving pleasure from inflicting pain, suffering, or humiliation on others."

Masochist: "a person who derives sexual gratification from their own pain or humiliation."

BDSM: "bondage, discipline (or domination), sadism, and masochism (as a type of sexual practice)



Now, what is the dominant theme in your "hardcore cuckold" type stories?

Literotica already has a category for your stories. But you are here whining about why the Loving Wives audience doesn't want to read those or why they react poorly when you shove it in their faces.

You are a sadist and enjoy their reaction when shoving such stories in their faces which makes them uncomfortable. So, why are you here trying to sell the idea that those readers should stop their disparaging comments or go elsewhere. I merely tried explaining the two factions of that LW audience (once again, you're not the first, and won't be the last).

 

[NoTalentHack]

Exactly! I feel the same way about this. The most common question I get in the comments is: Why does the husband tolerate it? I can’t believe I even have to explain this—he doesn’t just tolerate it, he loves it! Why would anyone tolerate something they don’t enjoy? It’s not like the wife could stop him from walking out. The reason he doesn’t leave should be obvious to any incel in the comments: he stays because he loves it.

I mean, that might be the subtext of the story (he enjoys it or else he'd leave), but it's often not that simple, at least in real life. Some people can't just leave, at least not in the long term. They could maybe walk out the door of a given situation (i.e., they don't have to sit in the cuck chair, whether literally or metaphorically), but they might not be able or willing to walk away from the marriage for other reasons: financial concerns, custody issues, etc.

Given that a lot of the angriest commenters have been in situations close to this--or at least some of them have claimed in the comments/feedback--I think that's part of what incenses them, i.e., that they could not see that humiliation as being anything but nonconsensual and/or Stockholm syndrome.

In my experience, if there's no humiliation involved, the stories can do well, at least for LW standards, if--and this is a big if--they are actual stories and not just a "Dear Penthouse Forum, I never thought it would happen to me, but" series of tab A/slot B descriptions. The things that make them nosedive are either unwilling humiliation that's unresolved or willing/accepted/embraced humiliation.

And, arguably, I'd say the focus on humiliation is what takes it out of Loving Wives, not because it doesn't involve a wife with someone else, but because... well, the humiliation is a big chunk of the turn-on then.

Put it a different way. I think we can all agree that Erotic Couplings is sort of the catch-all category. If it's two people having vanilla sex, or even mildly kinky sex, it can go there even if it might fit better somewhere else, and it'll probably do reasonably well as long as the story's got halfway decent writing.

However, if you put heavy BDSM in Erotic Couplings, or strong focus on anal, or more than the mildest bit of reluctance, or humiliation-as-kink, or... well, you get the idea. If you stray outside of the "core" vanilla stuff, your score will tank, because that's not what the people coming there for their vanilla smut are looking for.

And so it goes for LW, too. You put a kink that's outside the "core" part of the category in, and you'll get lower scores and pissed-off comments. That's true even if you're giving the reader what they want in every other way; anecdotally, I've gotten told off in the comments sections of several of my stories for including, variously, DD/LG roleplay, anal, tattoos and piercings, and I'm sure at least two or three more just-outside-the-norm things. The commenters also often went out of their way to add "1-star for *insert thing they hate)." And this was in stories that otherwise fit into the most successful form in LW, the "dude romance" where the husband navigates a bad divorce from a cheating wife and finds happiness with someone else.

So, yeah. Putting aside the whole "angry divorced men" thing, you are writing fetish, even if you don't think you are. You can put it in LW, just like you could put heavy painplay in EC, but you have to just kind of take your lumps. Alternately, put it in Fetish and get a smaller but more receptive audience.

 

[TheNovelist2000]

Google the definitions:

Sadistic: "deriving pleasure from inflicting pain, suffering, or humiliation on others."

Masochist: "a person who derives sexual gratification from their own pain or humiliation."

BDSM: "bondage, discipline (or domination), sadism, and masochism (as a type of sexual practice)



Now, what is the dominant theme in your "hardcore cuckold" type stories?

Literotica already has a category for your stories. But you are here whining about why the Loving Wives audience doesn't want to read those or why they react poorly when you shove it in their faces.

You are a sadist and enjoy their reaction when shoving such stories in their faces which makes them uncomfortable. So, why are you here trying to sell the idea that those readers should stop their disparaging comments or go elsewhere. I merely tried explaining the two factions of that LW audience (once again, you're not the first, and won't be the last).

First of all, you’re saying that tigers are like zebras and should be grouped together simply because they both have stripes. But the act of wife-sharing is very specific: if you don’t have the kink for it, then no matter what genre it appears in, you’ll be turned off. It’s the same with incest. People might enjoy an anal story, but if it’s between a mother and her son, it should still be in the incest category — not the anal category.

Each category has its own essence, and stories in that category shouldn’t betray it. For example, BDSM is all about power exchange. That’s the essence. It can appear in many forms — between gay partners, lesbian couples, straight couples, or threesomes (which is the point you’re making). But the essence of cuckold stories is that the spouse is having extramarital sex.

If you remove the power exchange from a BDSM story, it falls apart. But if you remove power exchange from a cuckold story, it still works: you can have humiliation without power exchange. You can still write cuckold stories without any explicit dominance or submission. But if you remove the extramarital sex, there’s nothing left. That’s why the essence of cuckold stories is extramarital sex, and why they belong with other stories centered on extramarital sex.

Let’s say you write a story about a wife, a husband, and a third person. If the story begins with all three engaging because each of them wants to submit or dominate, then I agree it’s a BDSM story. You’ll find plenty of such examples in the BDSM category: couples submitting to other couples, or wives submitting to other men. But in these stories, the husband derives pleasure from the BDSM acts themselves — kneeling, bondage, saying “Sir” or “Mistress” — not from the fact that the wife is having extramarital sex.

In many of these BDSM couple stories, the husband often joins in, or learns to dominate or submit to his wife. That works because the acts don’t necessarily need to involve a stranger. They can still achieve the same bliss when they do BDSM with each other.

Secondly, forcing cuckold stories into other genres like transgender or fetish is like sending Black Americans to Africa just because they are Black. They might look like Africans and share parts of the same culture, but the essence is that they are American. That’s an uncompromising fact: being American comes first, before being Black or white or brown. You cannot strip Americanness from an American.

So when you say there’s already a place for cuckold stories in BDSM because they sometimes contain sadomasochistic elements, it’s like saying Black Americans already have Africa. Yes, there are Black people in Africa, but only America is for Americans. You see? Essence versus overlap.

 

[TheNovelist2000]

I mean, that might be the subtext of the story (he enjoys it or else he'd leave), but it's often not that simple, at least in real life. Some people can't just leave, at least not in the long term. They could maybe walk out the door of a given situation (i.e., they don't have to sit in the cuck chair, whether literally or metaphorically), but they might not be able or willing to walk away from the marriage for other reasons: financial concerns, custody issues, etc.

Given that a lot of the angriest commenters have been in situations close to this--or at least some of them have claimed in the comments/feedback--I think that's part of what incenses them, i.e., that they could not see that humiliation as being anything but nonconsensual and/or Stockholm syndrome.

In my experience, if there's no humiliation involved, the stories can do well, at least for LW standards, if--and this is a big if--they are actual stories and not just a "Dear Penthouse Forum, I never thought it would happen to me, but" series of tab A/slot B descriptions. The things that make them nosedive are either unwilling humiliation that's unresolved or willing/accepted/embraced humiliation.

And, arguably, I'd say the focus on humiliation is what takes it out of Loving Wives, not because it doesn't involve a wife with someone else, but because... well, the humiliation is a big chunk of the turn-on then.

Put it a different way. I think we can all agree that Erotic Couplings is sort of the catch-all category. If it's two people having vanilla sex, or even mildly kinky sex, it can go there even if it might fit better somewhere else, and it'll probably do reasonably well as long as the story's got halfway decent writing.

However, if you put heavy BDSM in Erotic Couplings, or strong focus on anal, or more than the mildest bit of reluctance, or humiliation-as-kink, or... well, you get the idea. If you stray outside of the "core" vanilla stuff, your score will tank, because that's not what the people coming there for their vanilla smut are looking for.

And so it goes for LW, too. You put a kink that's outside the "core" part of the category in, and you'll get lower scores and pissed-off comments. That's true even if you're giving the reader what they want in every other way; anecdotally, I've gotten told off in the comments sections of several of my stories for including, variously, DD/LG roleplay, anal, tattoos and piercings, and I'm sure at least two or three more just-outside-the-norm things. The commenters also often went out of their way to add "1-star for *insert thing they hate)." And this was in stories that otherwise fit into the most successful form in LW, the "dude romance" where the husband navigates a bad divorce from a cheating wife and finds happiness with someone else.

So, yeah. Putting aside the whole "angry divorced men" thing, you are writing fetish, even if you don't think you are. You can put it in LW, just like you could put heavy painplay in EC, but you have to just kind of take your lumps. Alternately, put it in Fetish and get a smaller but more receptive audience.

See, our disagreement is about what the core of cuckold stories really is. If you asked 100 random people, how many would say the core of cuckold stories is extramarital sex? I’d bet 99 out of 100 would.

Now flip the question: if you asked 100 random people what the core of BDSM stories is, how many of them would answer, “a husband being humiliated because his wife is sleeping with another man”? Practically none.

 

[TheNovelist2000]

What I am calling for is tolerance. You might be an incest lover. You might get turned on by step brother/step sister stories or sibling stories and totally revolted by mom/son stories. How do you deal with that? Give 1 star bomb and leave nasty comments underneath mom/son stories and force them into other categories they barely overlap with? Anal, Fetish, Erotic coupling, ect. No, you behave like an adult. You move on to the sibling stories you want to read and leave the mom/son stories alone for those who want to read them. Not behave like a toddler and get a stroke over them.

 

[Lifestyle66]

First of all, you’re saying that tigers are like zebras and should be grouped together simply because they both have stripes. But the act of wife-sharing is very specific: if you don’t have the kink for it, then no matter what genre it appears in, you’ll be turned off. It’s the same with incest. People might enjoy an anal story, but if it’s between a mother and her son, it should still be in the incest category — not the anal category.

Each category has its own essence, and stories in that category shouldn’t betray it. For example, BDSM is all about power exchange. That’s the essence. It can appear in many forms — between gay partners, lesbian couples, straight couples, or threesomes (which is the point you’re making). But the essence of cuckold stories is that the spouse is having extramarital sex.

If you remove the power exchange from a BDSM story, it falls apart. But if you remove power exchange from a cuckold story, it still works: you can have humiliation without power exchange. You can still write cuckold stories without any explicit dominance or submission. But if you remove the extramarital sex, there’s nothing left. That’s why the essence of cuckold stories is extramarital sex, and why they belong with other stories centered on extramarital sex.

Let’s say you write a story about a wife, a husband, and a third person. If the story begins with all three engaging because each of them wants to submit or dominate, then I agree it’s a BDSM story. You’ll find plenty of such examples in the BDSM category: couples submitting to other couples, or wives submitting to other men. But in these stories, the husband derives pleasure from the BDSM acts themselves — kneeling, bondage, saying “Sir” or “Mistress” — not from the fact that the wife is having extramarital sex.

In many of these BDSM couple stories, the husband often joins in, or learns to dominate or submit to his wife. That works because the acts don’t necessarily need to involve a stranger. They can still achieve the same bliss when they do BDSM with each other.

Secondly, forcing cuckold stories into other genres like transgender or fetish is like sending Black Americans to Africa just because they are Black. They might look like Africans and share parts of the same culture, but the essence is that they are American. That’s an uncompromising fact: being American comes first, before being Black or white or brown. You cannot strip Americanness from an American.

So when you say there’s already a place for cuckold stories in BDSM because they sometimes contain sadomasochistic elements, it’s like saying Black Americans already have Africa. Yes, there are Black people in Africa, but only America is for Americans. You see? Essence versus overlap.

You're a sadist, with your fetish to inflict extreme humiliation on a masochist, so just own it. If you want to write it, write it and stop bitching. Stick it where it belongs and accept what your audience gives you there.

 

[TheRedChamber]

Honestly, I like those stories where it's not clear from the outset whether the story is going to end with the marriage a blazing inferno or with the husband caged for life - or preferably somewhere in the middle. Given the territory, very few stories dare to be ambiguous about this and separating out the categories even further isn't going to help with that.

 

[TheNovelist2000]

Honestly, I like those stories where it's not clear from the outset whether the story is going to end with the marriage a blazing inferno or with the husband caged for life - or preferably somewhere in the middle. Given the territory, very few stories dare to be ambiguous about this and separating out the categories even further isn't going to help with that.

Agreed! They all should be in LW.

 

[Actingup]

...dipping my toe in with some hesitation... just putting the 'cuckold' word aside for a bit... can I ask about a slightly different example? I'm a fan of Kirsten McCurran, which is a pen name of Jake Marlow, which is also a pen name of course. There's a post where Jake describes his development of the pseudonym. Now, as I understand things, the Kirsten writings started with swinging stories, but if you look on Amazon, the many, many titles now available have tended to go towards 'hotwife' stories, which I asssume reflects where the money is.

For me (others may differ), a Hotwife story implies loving consent (and not humilation), differing only from a swinging story in that the husband isn't demanding reciprocation (he doesn't get a hall pass). Personally, that's not all that appealing to me, but there's obviously a strong market for it. I can't see anywhere that 'hotwife' stories would go other than Loving Wives, but my only foray into that space in LW immediately drew the cuckold accusation. From the discussion above, I think the best option is probably just to keep trying to educate the readers that the husband of a hotwife is not a cuckold if there's respect and consent, and suffer the consequences. Does anybody differ on this?

 

[TheNovelist2000]

..dipping my toe in with some hesitation... just putting the 'cuckold' word aside for a bit... can I ask about a slightly different example? I'm a fan of Kirsten McCurran, which is a pen name of Jake Marlow, which is also a pen name of course. There's a post where Jake describes his development of the pseudonym. Now, as I understand things, the Kirsten writings started with swinging stories, but if you look on Amazon, the many, many titles now available have tended to go towards 'hotwife' stories, which I asssume reflects where the money is.

For me (others may differ), a Hotwife story implies loving consent (and not humilation), differing only from a swinging story in that the husband isn't demanding reciprocation (he doesn't get a hall pass). Personally, that's not all that appealing to me, but there's obviously a strong market for it. I can't see anywhere that 'hotwife' stories would go other than Loving Wives, but my only foray into that space in LW immediately drew the cuckold accusation. From the discussion above, I think the best option is probably just to keep trying to educate the rea

Historically, a “cuckold” was a man whose wife cheated on him without his knowledge—sometimes he’d even end up raising another man’s child. That’s where the cuckoo bird reference comes from. Over time, the term came to include men who actively seek out these situations, even when humiliation is involved. So really, consent isn’t what separates cuckoldry from hotwifing. The main distinction is humiliation versus respect—hotwifing is respectful, while cuckoldry usually involves degradation. Both types of men can be willing participants. In fact, if the husband doesn’t want it, it’s no longer really cuckoldry, because the essence of these “Loving Wife” stories lies in the husband’s arousal—whether from watching his wife with another man (hotwifing) or from being humiliated as an inferior man (cucking). Cheating stories, on the other hand, belong to a separate genre, where the husband’s consent or arousal isn’t even part of the story. These are my thoughts.

 

[Lifestyle66]

...dipping my toe in with some hesitation... just putting the 'cuckold' word aside for a bit... can I ask about a slightly different example? I'm a fan of Kirsten McCurran, which is a pen name of Jake Marlow, which is also a pen name of course. There's a post where Jake describes his development of the pseudonym. Now, as I understand things, the Kirsten writings started with swinging stories, but if you look on Amazon, the many, many titles now available have tended to go towards 'hotwife' stories, which I asssume reflects where the money is.

For me (others may differ), a Hotwife story implies loving consent (and not humilation), differing only from a swinging story in that the husband isn't demanding reciprocation (he doesn't get a hall pass). Personally, that's not all that appealing to me, but there's obviously a strong market for it. I can't see anywhere that 'hotwife' stories would go other than Loving Wives, but my only foray into that space in LW immediately drew the cuckold accusation. From the discussion above, I think the best option is probably just to keep trying to educate the readers that the husband of a hotwife is not a cuckold if there's respect and consent, and suffer the consequences. Does anybody differ on this?

Here's an example of "extreme cuckold" which the OP demands the LW audience accept as normalized for an extra-marital fun, sharing and more story in Loving Wife

"Thank You, Darling"
"A pregnant wife has a special surprise for her dear husband."

I note that you read it and commented that it's "Five star trolling."

 

[Actingup]

Here's an example of "extreme cuckold" which the OP demands the LW audience accept as normalized for an extra-marital fun, sharing and more story in Loving Wife

"Thank You, Darling"
"A pregnant wife has a special surprise for her dear husband."

I note that you read it and commented that it's "Five star trolling."

"Mina is moaning wildly as her Black stud fucks her. Her feet are waving wildly in the air once again from the force of Tyrone's bestial lovemaking. Her small hands have made it all the way down to his ass and are squeezing the flesh of his buttocks. Her wedding ring bearing the two-carat diamond that Yong-Jae presented to her nearly five years ago twinkles in the light."

I mean... how can you not read that and chuckle at how ridiculous it is?

 

[Lifestyle66]

"Mina is moaning wildly as her Black stud fucks her. Her feet are waving wildly in the air once again from the force of Tyrone's bestial lovemaking. Her small hands have made it all the way down to his ass and are squeezing the flesh of his buttocks. Her wedding ring bearing the two-carat diamond that Yong-Jae presented to her nearly five years ago twinkles in the light."

I mean... how can you not read that and chuckle at how ridiculous it is?

And there were so many examples of how much Mina loved her husband, I couldn't count them on two hands (except by closing the fingers of both.)

As I said earlier, sadistic-masochistic stories already have their own category. And people should write whatever they want.

It's the trolls who try pushing their fetish on others, invading other categories, then whining about the results which I find annoying. They're trying to sell their particular sub-fetish as "traditional" and looking for acceptance.

The LW category (which I prefer) has its own problems with the BTB faction downvoting and trashing the FUN sharing stories (which I'm looking for.) Then the trolls come in, throwing other shit into the fan, and coming here to bitch about what hits them. They're throwing gas on the fire to prove those nay-sayers claiming LW is a bunch of misogynistic, women-hating INCELs because of their comments about a reprehensible wife.

I know and accept the results of the triggers I write into my stories. So, if anyone else wants to trigger the mob, they need to grow up and OWN IT, and stop bitching about the consequences.

EDIT: I can find numerous examples of hateful comments ... on stories which were deliberately written to solicit hateful comments!

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

I'm sick of the Loving Wives crowd going crazy every time someone writes a cuckold story.

Right back at you. I'm sick of authors coming here, week after week, like clockwork, starting thread after thread to complain and whine over their chosen audience.

You want to write a story about extramarital sex and fun? Write as story about a guy who thinks his wife is beautiful, especially when she's in the throes of passion, and then shares her with other men so he can see her come undone and be happy for her, while greatly enjoying himself as well. They've done pretty well in the past in LW.

You kinda just have to accept that nobody comes here to read your stories. Literotica is a place where hundreds of stories are posted each day, and, by now, has accumulated hundreds of thousands of stories of (almost) every kind. And all of them are free!
Naturally, the people coming here have come to expect an abundance of free stories they can enjoy, breeding a certain sense of entitlement. That's why, if they don't like a story, most will just close it and move on to something else, while a certain subset will voice their entitlement and demand you stop flooding their site with stories they don't like.

That's just the culture Literotica had cultivated, and you will just have to live with it if you want to post your stuff here.

They didn't commission you. You are the one asking them to read your stories. You are asking them for recognition and feedback. But if you don't like the feedback, you come here to bitch and moan, throwing insults at them, and arguing moot points to justify your failure to please the people who never asked for your contribution.

I also find myself very much agreeing with @Lifestyle66.

Just take a step back and dissect what your "hardcore cuckolding stories" actually are. You have a man who derives pleasure from humiliation, degradation, and possibly more. That's deriving pleasure from (psychological) pain. That's masochism. And you have a wife (and bull) who derives pleasure from inflicting such pain on the husband. That's sadism.
Now, you probably won't like that, but, by definition, masochism and sadism are not kinks. They are mental disorders. Seriously, look it up. It's not healthy. And, for the vast majority of humankind, it's not fun. Which, in turn, means that the people you persistently call "incels" for speaking out against the romanticization of harmful acts are, strictly speaking, the healthy ones in this argument.

 

[NoTalentHack]

See, our disagreement is about what the core of cuckold stories really is. If you asked 100 random people, how many would say the core of cuckold stories is extramarital sex? I’d bet 99 out of 100 would.

Now flip the question: if you asked 100 random people what the core of BDSM stories is, how many of them would answer, “a husband being humiliated because his wife is sleeping with another man”? Practically none.

That may be the core, but that doesn't mean they belong in Loving wives, not least because they get absolutely savaged in both ratings and comments there, whereas readers in other categories respond enthusiastically to them. A community is what its members make it, and if the community is forcefully saying, "Hey, we don't want this," then there you go.

Put it another way. If you wrote a story that you thought of as a romance, including a HEA and all the other tropes, but it was heavily, heavily dubcon/noncon throughout, to the point where the FMC read like someone with Stockholm syndrome, you could make a somewhat legitimate claim that it belonged in the Romance category. Hell, you could even point to how historically bodice rippers and the like had those tropes, dark romance is popular elsewhere on the internet, etc. But it's most likely not going to do well in Romance here, because that's not what the Romance readers are looking for. The angriest are going to tell you it's rape apologist trash, while kinder commenters will tell you to put it in NC/R. Yes, even though the core, to you, is a romance.

Or you could make a romance that was influenced by urban fantasy, complete with an elf (or vampire, or werewolf, or whatever) MMC. It might go over a little better in there, since there are a handful of decently rated stories that have the "non-human" and "magic" tags in Romance, but even though the "core" of the story may be a romance, most readers would agree it doesn't belong there, and some of them will rate and comment accordingly.

I could go on and on with other examples: stories involving gay men engaging in anal sex typically tank in Anal while they do well in Gay Male, for instance, and BMWF hotwife stories that would get demolished in Loving Wives do well in Interracial. But you get the idea: just because something is a core element of the story doesn't mean other elements "override" it in some way, at least in terms of the reader preferences.

Just because extramarital sex is the core of a cuckold story, that doesn't mean Loving Wives is a good fit for every story that involves cuckolding, especially one involving humiliation/degradation/dubcon/noncon. Can you post it there? Sure, most of the time it'll make it through the queue. But that doesn't mean it's the best place for it.

After all, just because a tomato is technically a fruit, that doesn't mean it belongs in a fruit salad.

 

[Robin_Starveling]

Now, you probably won't like that, but, by definition, masochism and sadism are not kinks. They are mental disorders.

And there it is: all the narrow-mindedness, oversimplification, and aggression of those hillbillies wrapped up in a single sentence.

By that logic, incest obsession is a disorder too. Interracial’s racism is a disorder. Rape fascination in Non-Con and Mind Control is a disorder. Anal sex doesn’t exist in nature, nor does gay sex, would you call those a disorder too?

With the exception of Romance and Erotic Coupling, nearly every category and every kink is transgressive by nature, and if pushed to the extreme, could be called a disorder. Disorder drives erotica. Disorder is the core of any effective plot.

Humiliation, even when well hidden, is a common motive in almost every cheating story. Betrayal and humiliation are often intertwined. Those whiny hubbies in their popular tales take great pleasure in wallowing before finally taking action. But I guess the camel can’t see the hump in its own back.

Granting legitimacy to your own kinks while dismissing others’ is narrow-minded, childishly entitled, and hypocritical, if you ask me.

 

[Gamblnluck]

And there were so many examples of how much Mina loved her husband, I couldn't count them on two hands (except by closing the fingers of both.)

As I said earlier, sadistic-masochistic stories already have their own category. And people should write whatever they want.

It's the trolls who try pushing their fetish on others, invading other categories, then whining about the results which I find annoying. They're trying to sell their particular sub-fetish as "traditional" and looking for acceptance.

I love the ways to count with closed fist comment. Now it's Troll Authors. Aptly described, Lifestyle.

Not directed at Lifestyle but to several of those commenting above:
One of the things I notice often from some of these authors who fail in LW is how they act toward the audience. Calling them 'incels', 'trolls', misogynists if they do like a story. If you have that attitude toward your readers, no wonder you fail.

 

[OverconfidentSarcasm]

And there it is: all the narrow-mindedness, oversimplification, and aggression of those hillbillies wrapped up in a single sentence.

And there it is, the usual post by butt-hurt authors who missed the point and can't suppress their bite reflex.

By that logic, incest obsession is a disorder too. Interracial’s racism is a disorder. Rape fascination in Non-Con and Mind Control is a disorder. Anal sex doesn’t exist in nature, nor does gay sex, would you call those a disorder too?

Incest, gay and anal sex DO exist in nature. In VARIOUS species, in fact. Never seen a dog try to hump another male dog!? And rape-fascination in Non-Con and Mind Control are (usually) power fantasies, not fetishes. They come from a place where people just want to turn their brains off, and dwell in fantasies of being able to enjoy themselves without restrictions, worries, or consequences, not from a place where they can't get off unless someone's crying and begging for mercy (again, usually).

With the exception of Romance and Erotic Coupling, nearly every category and every kink is transgressive by nature, and if pushed to the extreme, could be called a disorder.

Sure. If you eat obsessively, or refuse to eat at all, you have an eating disorder. Problem is, though, that this doesn't apply here, and I honestly have no idea how you managed to make the comparison. Because there is no "too much" when it comes to masochism and sadism before it becomes a mental disorder. There is no "healthy amount of pain" you can like to inflict on someone, before it becomes concerning to a neutral observer.

Disorder drives erotica. Disorder is the core of any effective plot.

Humiliation, even when well hidden, is a common motive in almost every cheating story. Betrayal and humiliation are often intertwined. Those whiny hubbies in their popular tales take great pleasure in wallowing before finally taking action. But I guess the camel can’t see the hump in its own back.

Granting legitimacy to your own kinks while dismissing others’ is narrow-minded, childishly entitled, and hypocritical, if you ask me.

The difference between Cuckolding and all the other themes you listed above is that, with all the other themes, people don't come running into the forum to bitch and whine about readers not appreciating the author's kinks/fetishes on a semi-daily basis. They accept that there are people who have different tastes, and that what they write might be disturbing to others. It's almost like the cuckold authors have this burning need for validation, and when they don't get it, they throw a temper tantrum where everyone else is either a hillbilly, narrow-minded, or an incel.