Where are the happy, chill lesbians?

[Cagivagurl]

Perhaps it’s specifically lesbian women who have it bad. Statistics tend to show that woman-only relationships score high in terms of both incidents of domestic abuse and divorce rates.

Indeed, when it comes to the latter, there is this grimly amusing fact that whenever a man is replaced by a woman in a marriage, the likelihood of divorce increases by 25 percentage points (starting from the “baseline” of about 25% for gay male couples).

anybody can make up statistics, and portray them as facts....
Sorry, but that is a statistic made for men.... By men....
In my opinion.

Cagivagurl

 

[TheLobster]

anybody can make up statistics, and portray them as facts....

It’s from 2019 report by UK Office for National Statistics.

 

[Cagivagurl]

Hey everyone, it's clear this post was a bad idea. I'm still trying to figure out exactly where I went wrong and what is I can do to make amends (happy to take suggestions on that) but it's clear I've pissed off a bunch of people including some I quite respect. So I'm sorry for that and I'll just drop this line of inquiry.

In my opinion... where you went wrong... You made the tone of your thread very condescending, and you dissed some of the most popular authors from the category....
Authors that must be described as some of the best on this site. Their stories are alays incredible, and you putting them down didn't help...
If your point was to ask about why the stories are so popular, in a polite manner. It could have been an interesting topic...
By dissing Lesbians as a group. You fucked up.... IMO....

Cagivagurl

 

[Cagivagurl]

It’s from 2019 report by UK Office for National Statistics.

Of course it is...

 

[Kelliezgirl]

In my opinion... where you went wrong... You made the tone of your thread very condescending, and you dissed some of the most popular authors from the category....
Authors that must be described as some of the best on this site. Their stories are alays incredible, and you putting them down didn't help...
If your point was to ask about why the stories are so popular, in a polite manner. It could have been an interesting topic...
By dissing Lesbians as a group. You fucked up.... IMO....

Cagivagurl

Only... he didn't do that. He didn't "diss" anyone.
He made observations based on his reading of the stories that they tended to feature certain patterns.
No one here has claimed that the patterns he noted aren't accurate.
So, it's okay for these patterns to exist, but to notice them is "dissing" people?
That's absurd.

 

[AwkwardMD]

Apropos of nothing, here's the wikipedia entry for a Gish Gallop, a disingenuous rhetorical technique that involves poorly sourced, improperly cited facts. For example, anyone trying to have a real conversation about same sex divorce rates would start with the fact that in the US and UK same sex marriage hasn't been legal long enough to have meaningful data, but that's completely beside the point for someone who is just trying to waste your time.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

I tried to make Heidi and Thea happy, successful, confident, well-off and 'chill'. It was a fun little story I hoped to continue a bit.

People here told me I was full of crap.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Apropos of nothing, here's the wikipedia entry for a Gish Gallop, a disingenuous rhetorical technique that involves poorly sourced, improperly cited facts. For example, anyone trying to have a real conversation about same sex divorce rates would start with the fact that in the US and UK same sex marriage hasn't been legal long enough to have meaningful data, but that's completely beside the point for someone who is just trying to waste your time.

Same sex marriage has been legal in the UK for a decade.
Please explain why comparing the last 10 years of statistics between the two groups wouldn't be satistically valid.

How many years of domestic violence reporting is necessary for it to be valid?

Of course we could provide you plenty of information and you'd start your "Oh look a list of things argument."

 

[MelissaBaby]

Happy, chill, weed smoking, sangria drinking, henna painting, tarot reading, pussy eating lesbians: The House on Hippie Hill

(I lead by example)

 

[Cagivagurl]

Only... he didn't do that. He didn't "diss" anyone.
He made observations based on his reading of the stories that they tended to feature certain patterns.
No one here has claimed that the patterns he noted aren't accurate.
So, it's okay for these patterns to exist, but to notice them is "dissing" people?
That's absurd.

I'm sorry, but I disagree...
You are entitled to your opinion...
I simply don't agree with you. If he wanted a polite intelligent discussion, he shouldn't have been so condescending in his approach...

That's my opinion...

Cagivagurl

 

[Kelliezgirl]

I'm sorry, but I disagree...
You are entitled to your opinion...
I simply don't agree with you. If he wanted a polite intelligent discussion, he shouldn't have been so condescending in his approach...

That's my opinion...

Cagivagurl

Nothing in it was condescending.
I'm open to your interpretation, but what was condescending or disrespectful?
He never said the stories weren't good. Never said he didn't enjoy them, or that they weren't well written.
He never made any negative statements at all.

 

[Cagivagurl]

Nothing in it was condescending.
I'm open to your interpretation, but what was condescending or disrespectful?
He never said the stories weren't good. Never said he didn't enjoy them, or that they weren't well written.
He never made any negative statements at all.

We, you and I see things differently... That is apparent...
If you can't understand why, then further discussion is of no value....
You have an opinion, as do I... We have already expressed them...
To do so again would be futile. Lets move along shall we...

Cagivagurl

 

[Kelliezgirl]

We, you and I see things differently... That is apparent...
If you can't understand why, then further discussion is of no value....
You have an opinion, as do I... We have already expressed them...
To do so again would be futile. Lets move along shall we...

Cagivagurl

I'm attempting to understand your perspective. That's how we grow as people.
I can't understand why you feel the way you do because you simply repeat "because".
If you can't explain your feelings, fine.

 

[Cagivagurl]

I'm attempting to understand your perspective. That's how we grow as people.
I can't understand why you feel the way you do because you simply repeat "because".
If you can't explain your feelings, fine.

I could explain in detail. I simply choose not to bore everybody....
We are not the only readers of this thread...

Cagivagurl

 

[Kelliezgirl]

I could explain in detail. I simply choose not to bore everybody....
We are not the only readers of this thread...

Cagivagurl

I honestly don't think you could.
I also think it's wrong to accuse someone of bad behavior and then hide behind, "just because".

 

[dirk2024]

Happy, chill, weed smoking, sangria drinking, henna painting, tarot reading, pussy eating lesbians: The House on Hippie Hill

(I lead by example)

I enjoyed this story!

 

[PennyThompson]

I honestly don't think you could.
I also think it's wrong to accuse someone of bad behavior and then hide behind, "just because".

You seem really mad that nobody in this thread wants to debate you, you could always pick a fight with the crazies in PB

 

[Kelliezgirl]

You seem really mad that nobody in this thread wants to debate you, you could always pick a fight with the crazies in PB

If you say so.

 

[EmilyMiller]

You seem really mad that nobody in this thread wants to debate you, you could always pick a fight with the crazies in PB

 

[Kelliezgirl]

 

[PennyThompson]

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That's a lot of mental and emotional attention to try and prove how much you don't care

 

[EmilyMiller]

That's a lot of mental and emotional attention to try and prove how much you don't care

Making that sign, must've taken all night

 

[Kelliezgirl]

That's a lot of mental and emotional attention to try and prove how much you don't care

When did I claim to not care? I find this all very amusing.
You seem rather obsessed with a conversation that didn't even involve you. Maybe step away from the keyboard. Go touch some grass.

 

[DeMont]

Sorry for the provocative title.

I've been reading some LS stories recently, including works by AH regulars like @onehitwanda @THBGato @Areala-chan and noticing this pattern where... They're all sad. Like, really, all of them, as far as I can tell. The characters have these tragic back stories. They're all fresh out of bad break ups, or they cut themselves, or they're super lonely. Something. And then they have these incredibly dramatic interactions where they fall madly in love but somehow it all goes terribly wrong for essentially stupid reasons like they've convinced themselves they're unlovable or they refuse to talk to people or something.

I'm obviously exaggerating. @Jackie.Hikaru has https://www.literotica.com/s/mistress-beatrix @genzsub has a bunch of stories like https://www.literotica.com/s/how-i-became-a-lesbian-sex-slave (amazing title, by the way).

But it feels like LS really likes sad angsty women crying about their extremely dramatic internal or interpersonal conflicts.

Do I just have a bad sample?

@joy_of_cooking,
My dear colleague, I have been pondering the wisdom of coming to this one since I am not a lesbian, happy, unhappy or otherwise. I think that what you are asking, and correct me if I am wrong please, is "Why don't we have any happy lesbian stories here?" - although that may be putting it somewhat bluntly, perhaps even brutally, I think it's still a fair question.

In my opinion people write from one of three perspectives, experience, perception or imagination. Writing a fiction piece based on personal experience is going to heavily lean on the writer's own feelings and thoughts. If they have had bad experiences that will come through in the treatment of the story.
If the writer is writing from perception then they may well be leaning on their feelings and thoughts from something they have been told about or have been witness to. It is difficult to divorce a writer from their "perception" of a subject.
If the writer is writing from pure imagination then all things are fair game. They will be "imagining" their responses if they were put into the situation they are writing about. Either way the writers thoughts and beliefs about the subject will come through in the story.

We each write what we know, believe or perceive, or can imagine. I cannot possibly claim to know how lesbians feel, how they think, how they will react in any given situation... I ain't built that way but one thing I do know, especially after writing for decades, in many different genres, is that stories tell themselves. The writer is the instrument of their birth.

I do hope that this makes some sort of sense because to me I would say you are right on the money in "observing" and interpreting what you have seen but only in this particular medium and forum.

Most respectfully, always,
D.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

@joy_of_cooking,
My dear colleague, I have been pondering the wisdom of coming to this one since I am not a lesbian, happy, unhappy or otherwise. I think that what you are asking, and correct me if I am wrong please, is "Why don't we have any happy lesbian stories here?" - although that may be putting it somewhat bluntly, perhaps even brutally, I think it's still a fair question.

In my opinion people write from one of three perspectives, experience, perception or imagination. Writing a fiction piece based on personal experience is going to heavily lean on the writer's own feelings and thoughts. If they have had bad experiences that will come through in the treatment of the story.
If the writer is writing from perception then they may well be leaning on their feelings and thoughts from something they have been told about or have been witness to. It is difficult to divorce a writer from their "perception" of a subject.
If the writer is writing from pure imagination then all things are fair game. They will be "imagining" their responses if they were put into the situation they are writing about. Either way the writers thoughts and beliefs about the subject will come through in the story.

We each write what we know, believe or perceive, or can imagine. I cannot possibly claim to know how lesbians feel, how they think, how they will react in any given situation... I ain't built that way but one thing I do know, especially after writing for decades, in many different genres, is that stories tell themselves. The writer is the instrument of their birth.

I do hope that this makes some sort of sense because to me I would say you are right on the money in "observing" and interpreting what you have seen but only in this particular medium and forum.

Most respectfully, always,
D.

Interesting point. We certainly bring all our own baggage and perceptions into what we write.
Unfortunately, as is often the case on Lit we don't really have any data to use for a hypothesis.
How many of the writers in a given category are writing from 1st hand experience vs 2nd hand, vs making it up from whole cloth.
Is IT a happier place because 99% of it is likely (hopefully) purely imagination. Is LW angrier because there is more 1st hand experience there?