florida surgeon general wants to do away with all mandated vaccines... it will roll back floridians' health by decades and allow rarely seen illnesses

[SgtSpiderMan]

If you understand how vaccines work you know that the shots mandated for covid were not vaccines.

There was nothing mandated for COVID and there is a COVID vaccine. RFK today said it saved millions of lives.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You have told no one nothing.

The only financial pain any of us are feeling are the inflated prices that will never come down after oBidens climate catastrophe inflation. Some prices will come down. Fuel for one. In most places it is under 3$. I live in Fairfax VA and locally fuel cost are artificially high. Property taxes are soaring and destined to go higher as the liberal admin continues to shun federal funding to allow mental misfits to use the wrong bathroom. Many food prices are beginning to come down. Process is slow on what will decrease. It is difficult to reduce revenue for what it is right after enjoying it being paid. In the Big Beautiful Big democrats made sure health care costs are going up too. Frustrating the covid subsidies for the ACA are going away. I've been spending cash and qualifying for those. Next year will need 9000$ or more just to be covered. Democrats also removed many of the changes that would assist small business form the BBB. Further slowing the increase in production.

More on this topic. Today Kennedy was in the Senate and not allowed to speak. Democrat Senators yelled at him grandstanding the same fiction you people are spewing here.

Obiden's climate inflation? You know inflation was below what was predicted right? And Biden wasn't particularly great for the climate.

 

[Comshaw]

I'm not going to list out the vaccines. The ones I got being from 1964 worked well. The only new one I can name I can't refer to it more than the HPV one. I do not know the side effects of it, but if it does work and prevent HPV it circumvents many of the more prevalent forms of cancer around today. The remainder of the new vaccines are for the drug companies. The mass quittings of CDC and FDA are the weasels running back to big pharma for their jobs. The noise from the Congress and Senate is from those who are reliant on big pharma for their funding. Bernie Sanders for example.
I follow the science. Not the liberal administration bolstering funds for big pharma. I worked in big pharma many years. None of them are run by scientists. All of them are run by a band of attorneys. Very little health research and much of what might sell well and not have adverse effects. They all have adverse effects, even death. The question for management at that point is how much litigation can they afford. Or afford to purchase from politicians. Like Trump, Kennedy has no ties to big pharma to benefit from.
So you keep quoting the "science" you hear from cnn and repeated by the hill politico cnbc and the like. More and more you are proving they are full of shit.

So you can't name the vaccines that you claim are inefficient, and you can't provide any cites or studies to back your assertion. Because you "worked in big pharma many years" you want me to just take your word as fact. I'm sorry but that's an informal logic fallacy called an Appeal to Authority and it's an extremely weak argument. The reason being what you said is only your opinion. There are no facts cited to verify it, no studies I can read that will uphold it. And you know what they say about opinions (especially unsupported ones), yeah?

Neither Trump nor Kennedy have ties to big pharma that's true. But it's also true neither one is an expert in the field, or even know much about it. Kennedy fired all the experts so he wouldn't look like an idiot when they opposed him.

You can believe whatever you want. But belief and fact are two different things. The first can have as much truth to it as a fart in the wind, the second needs to be listened to even if you disagree with it. Bring me some facts, show me some studies. Otherwise, what you claim is true has as much truth to it as earth being flat.

Comshaw

 

[Comshaw]

If you understand how vaccines work you know that the shots mandated for covid were not vaccines.

Again, show me some cites to prove that claim. Damn dude you're starting to sound like an RFK clone spouting things that don't make sense and just aren't true.


Comshaw

 

[PersonalFavors]

Again, show me some cites to prove that claim. Damn dude you're starting to sound like an RFK clone spouting things that don't make sense and just aren't true.


Comshaw

All of the pfizer and two other companies shots were based on RNA. The purpose to modify the receptors in the body to disallow the virus to connect.
The shots did modify the receptors. However, the virus was mutating at a rate such that no attempt at RNA was effective. The shots or modifications could not be produced before the virus further mutated.
Thus you body's natural defenses were modified. And modified to no avail.
Complete fail dude. Sorry. But that is how that science works. It has been tested since the 60's and never approved as it is not warranted to fuck with mother nature. Even now as Faucci and the Chinese did fuck with mother nature, there is no way in hell big pharma could do better than mother nature.
Whoever was pushing obiden's pen should be tared and feathered. Never should it have been mandated. Never should there have been a campaign to fool the masses into thinking RNA actually prevented the virus. It never did and it never will.

 

[PersonalFavors]

So you can't name the vaccines that you claim are inefficient, and you can't provide any cites or studies to back your assertion. Because you "worked in big pharma many years" you want me to just take your word as fact. I'm sorry but that's an informal logic fallacy called an Appeal to Authority and it's an extremely weak argument. The reason being what you said is only your opinion. There are no facts cited to verify it, no studies I can read that will uphold it. And you know what they say about opinions (especially unsupported ones), yeah?

Neither Trump nor Kennedy have ties to big pharma that's true. But it's also true neither one is an expert in the field, or even know much about it. Kennedy fired all the experts so he wouldn't look like an idiot when they opposed him.

You can believe whatever you want. But belief and fact are two different things. The first can have as much truth to it as a fart in the wind, the second needs to be listened to even if you disagree with it. Bring me some facts, show me some studies. Otherwise, what you claim is true has as much truth to it as earth being flat.

Comshaw

Wow that's a lot of words! And two people are pretending to know what you said or saw the same propaganda on one of the liberal networks.

 

[PersonalFavors]

Obiden's climate inflation? You know inflation was below what was predicted right? And Biden wasn't particularly great for the climate.

You are trying to be funny? In the name of climate bullshit obiden forced fuel prices so high the economy almost collapsed.

 

[PersonalFavors]

There was nothing mandated for COVID and there is a COVID vaccine. RFK today said it saved millions of lives.

The liberal senators yelling over him said he said that. RFK in no way believes the shot was produced quick enough to have an effect.
Scientific research that would prove if it was effective or not was prevented from occurring. The shot even if it was effective for the first two days it was available was not worth it. Never was and never will be.

Your body provided by God is and was the best defense.

 

[MajorRewrite]

• Executive Order 14043: This order, signed on September 9, 2021, required federal employees to be vaccinated against COVID-19.
• Executive Order 14042: Issued the same day, this order required federal contractors and subcontractors to follow COVID-19 safety protocols, which included a vaccination requirement.

I worked for a company that supported the Fed and was expected to perform duties on site in HQ, other clearance only facilities and by role be in contact with federal employees. If I wanted to work I was forced to take the poison.

The day the court in NOLA negated the EO I had my second shot that morning. By design the mandate forced me to permanently alter my immune system. Common colds are from hell now. I've had pneumonia twice. Meaning two common colds turned into pneumonia. Any cold lingers long term. In '23 I did finally get covid. Lasted nearly 5 months. I am healthy and always have been. Lucky like that or I eat right and exorcise.

Uh huh. Sure.

 

[PersonalFavors]

Uh huh. Sure.

So you rewrite history now too? Look up the mandates. If you were earning your career best salary would you have been able to afford to not take the shots?
What are you trying to say. I documented the shit storm that forced the fake vax on me. I knew it was not going to do anything but harm.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You are trying to be funny? In the name of climate bullshit obiden forced fuel prices so high the economy almost collapsed.

I'm 100% certain. The fuel prices rising had nothing to do with Biden's Climate Control. He was incredibly weak on that opening record setting amounts of land including in lands even Trump hadn't been so foolish as to unlock in Alaska. The economy was supposed to collapse but Biden's expert handling of the economy saved us from what most experts saw coming.

 

[PersonalFavors]

I'm 100% certain. The fuel prices rising had nothing to do with Biden's Climate Control. He was incredibly weak on that opening record setting amounts of land including in lands even Trump hadn't been so foolish as to unlock in Alaska. The economy was supposed to collapse but Biden's expert handling of the economy saved us from what most experts saw coming.

Bwahahahaa!!!

 

[Comshaw]

Wow that's a lot of words! And two people are pretending to know what you said or saw the same propaganda on one of the liberal networks.

In other words, you have no facts, only a belief. You can pontificate until you're out of breath, but until you provide some kind of scientific backing, some kind of cite, it means diddledee squat. I'm done. Get back to me if you'd like to prove your point. If not, have a nice time living in your fantasy.

Comshaw

 

[dmallord]

I think the issue is the mandatory part, not the vaccines.

Rational parents will vax their kids with the usual stuff. Irrational parents won't. Irrational actors will scream about it because they have nothing better to do than be Karens.

The kids will be where the balance weighs out. If epidemics start to occur, then we know to start mandating vaccinations again. If they don't, then we don't need to and we can leave it up to parents to decide.

That's not how vaccines work. It requires a certain percentage of the population to be vaccinated to slow and stop the spread of a virus. If you are vaccinated but everyone else around you is not you could still end up with either a mild form or sometimes full blown form of that disease because an epidemic outbreak overwhelms your limited immunity produced by the vaccine.

Florida is going to become a graveyard.

Arphy, your point overlooks how vaccines actually function. They aren’t meant to be an “individual shield” so much as a collective barrier. Herd immunity depends on a threshold percentage of the population being vaccinated; without it, the protection of vaccinated individuals can still be overwhelmed during an outbreak, as Eric stated. That’s why mandates historically arose—not as a first step, but because waiting until epidemics emerge leads to unnecessary illness and loss of life.

As Eric notes, Florida may well become the harbinger of what’s to come if vaccination rates continue to slip elsewhere. Perhaps we'll need a second border wall at Florida's northern edge.

 

[dmallord]

You got a drunk in charge of defence, a wrestling executive who thinks AI is a steak sauce in charge of education, another drunk as attorney general, a conspiracy theory nutter in charge of the FBI, a weirdo who put a bullet in her misbehaving dog puppy's brain in charge of homeland security, to name just a few of the weird ass-kissers working for Orange Julius Caesar.

Some editing of the above is mine.

When you say it like this... You might wonder about the sanity levels of those who actually voted for this to begin with, amirite?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

The liberal senators yelling over him said he said that. RFK in no way believes the shot was produced quick enough to have an effect.
Scientific research that would prove if it was effective or not was prevented from occurring. The shot even if it was effective for the first two days it was available was not worth it. Never was and never will be.

Your body provided by God is and was the best defense.

Because he was recorded saying it.
If there’s no scientific research you can’t claim anything about how effective it is. But we know there was scientific research done before and we can see how effective the vaccine is now.

The same God who gave people polio?

 

[heathrowinneo]

You got a drunk in charge of defence, a wrestling executive who thinks AI is a steak sauce in charge of education, another drunk as attorney general, a conspiracy theory nutter in charge of the FBI, a weirdo who put a bullet in her misbehaving dog's brain in charge of homeland security, to name just a few of the weird ass-kissers working for Orange Julius Caesar.

The definition of kakistocracy

 

[Bray123]

The liberal senators yelling over him said he said that. RFK in no way believes the shot was produced quick enough to have an effect.
Scientific research that would prove if it was effective or not was prevented from occurring. The shot even if it was effective for the first two days it was available was not worth it. Never was and never will be.

Your body provided by God is and was the best defense.

If you believe those organized superstitions, you'd accept that God provided Man with the intelligence to develop medicines and other sciences. Your best defense is to take full advantage of those developments.

Even President Pedophile made sure he (and his family) had every vaccine available. Ivanka had her first one before the TV cameras to show how easy and painless it was however that was deleted when he realized how ill-informed his supporters were.

 

[HisArpy]

In other words, you have no facts, only a belief. You can pontificate until you're out of breath, but until you provide some kind of scientific backing, some kind of cite, it means diddledee squat. I'm done. Get back to me if you'd like to prove your point. If not, have a nice time living in your fantasy.

Comshaw

The problem with your viewpoint is that you believe that the stats provided by those with an agenda to make the data look good in their favor versus real world empirical evidence.

Like the real world proof that people got the clot shot and still died. Even with booster shots which kept getting closer and closer together in time, people still died. This is evidence that your data isn't accurate.

Worse, you still believe that data even though there's a legit question of effectiveness of purpose for the vax. For instance, when was the last time you needed a booster for your polio vaccination? Or for any of the other childhood vaccinations you got? Compare/contrast that to the Covid vax.

We also have evidence of a wave of heart problems as well as reproductive changes and pregnancy abnormalities in people who got the shot. Again, compare/contrast that to the other vaccines.

Yet you discount all of that in order to push AN AGENDA rather than pause and ask yourself if there's a connection between all of the bad things which we've seen happen to our health and the clot shot.

And then you belittle those who are saying that the Covid vax didn't work as an attempt to cover up the FACT that your Covid belief system has failed you when you needed it most.

 

[Baztrachian]

What happened to

My body. My choice?

 

[PersonalFavors]

Because he was recorded saying it.
If there’s no scientific research you can’t claim anything about how effective it is. But we know there was scientific research done before and we can see how effective the vaccine is now.

The same God who gave people polio?

And he has not limited the availability of the polio vaccine at all.
You guys drinking all the liberal media coolaide have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[PersonalFavors]

If you believe those organized superstitions, you'd accept that God provided Man with the intelligence to develop medicines and other sciences. Your best defense is to take full advantage of those developments.

Even President Pedophile made sure he (and his family) had every vaccine available. Ivanka had her first one before the TV cameras to show how easy and painless it was however that was deleted when he realized how ill-informed his supporters were.

You are just like the rest of them. You took some extreme view and distorted it. Just because the pfizer clot shot is proven false and ineffective does not mean all vaccines are bad or not recommended.
Read some. Then join the discussion.

 

[Bray123]

You are just like the rest of them. You took some extreme view and distorted it. Just because the pfizer clot shot is proven false and ineffective does not mean all vaccines are bad or not recommended.
Read some. Then join the discussion.

I read your views but became stupider as a result. It's all your fault.

 

[PersonalFavors]

I read your views but became stupider as a result. It's all your fault.

My views? Read actual news. Watch the Senate session. Reality really is painful for you isn't it.

 

[Bray123]

My views? Read actual news. Watch the Senate session. Reality really is painful for you isn't it.

That's another IQ point you've cost me. I can't afford it, please stop.