Leahaven
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Yes. He moved back in with us the Saturday after Alex and I had our first date. I was trying to write an update about this very topic this morning, but guess who kept interrupting me: Travis. That update will have to wait. Robbie and I are about to leave to meet some friends.
thank you! We did. We tried out a new restaurant. It was nice, but too far to drive for anything we might visit regularly.
No, he was asking how long he should keep trying to find a job in his field, or if he should take any job he can get. No one is hiring in his field, and the "any job he can get" opportunities don't pay well at all. I don't know how he would ever afford to live on his own with one of those jobs. I told him to keep looking in his field but in a different city. It was a long, off-and-on discussion. I finally quit trying to write my update. Strangely, if I sign into Literotica, someone is GOING to interrupt me.
As for the blowjob, Travis would never demand sex from someone. Gosh, did I give you all that impression? My writing must be awful! That's not Travis at all. Either way, this time around, things between him and me are very different. As you may recall, last time around, Travis thought he and I had developed a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship. I made it clear before he ever moved back in that he is an FWB to me and only when I want him to be. He didn't like that. Said it wasn't fair. I told him that that was the offer on the table. However, I did sweeten the pot by playing up the "city mom" fantasy he has toward me. That's worked out great. There is lots to tell you there.
But I don't want Travis staying with us very long. I am hiding Alex and Jack from him, and that is kind of ruining the fun. But I don't want him to know.
Some general comments....
One big reason why I was considering recording some of my dates is because I don't always remember some of the better details when I am writing an update. And remembering exactly what they said is impossible. Sometimes I remember exactly, but usually I only remember what they were getting at. I don't know if it really matters, but I feel like accurate dialog would give a better picture of the person.
Each guy is VERY different in bed. That came as a surprise to me. Alex is a talker, director, aggressive, domineering type. Sometimes he scares me a little, but I keep going back. Jack is kind of like a hard-thrusting romantic lover. He talks some, but not nearly as much as Alex. Travis is usually kind of quiet, but in comparison, it's kind of like he is just going through the motions. I used to think sex with Travis was so good, but it's just plain sex, unless I change it up. That has started happening. And that brings me to my next topic.
I have come to realize that Travis is going to need a strong-willed woman in his life. He is a momma's boy, and his momma has always done everything for him. He is as kind as he can be, and he is a really good person, but he doesn't have much drive, and he doesn't think long-term. Travis really needs someone to run his life. It makes me worry about him. He is lucky that Crystal broke up with him. As a couple, those two were going nowhere. I just hope he doesn't find another Crystal.
Robbie bought a good paddle. It has good weight, and it makes a good "smack!" Spanking his naked ass just to remind him who is boss makes me feel good. Spanking his naked ass and then making him give me oral sex makes me feel even better. Yesterday morning I walked into our bedroom and saw that he had not made the bed yet. I caught up to him and told him he needed to get that bed made. He dropped what he was doing and got right to it. GOD, I love that.
One big reason why I was considering recording some of my dates is because I don't always remember some of the better details when I am writing an update. And remembering exactly what they said is impossible. Sometimes I remember exactly, but usually I only remember what they were getting at. I don't know if it really matters, but I feel like accurate dialog would give a better picture of the person.
Each guy is VERY different in bed. That came as a surprise to me. Alex is a talker, director, aggressive, domineering type. Sometimes he scares me a little, but I keep going back. Jack is kind of like a hard-thrusting romantic lover. He talks some, but not nearly as much as Alex. Travis is usually kind of quiet, but in comparison, it's kind of like he is just going through the motions. I used to think sex with Travis was so good, but it's just plain sex, unless I change it up. That has started happening. And that brings me to my next topic.
I have come to realize that Travis is going to need a strong-willed woman in his life. He is a momma's boy, and his momma has always done everything for him. He is as kind as he can be, and he is a really good person, but he doesn't have much drive, and he doesn't think long-term. Travis really needs someone to run his life. It makes me worry about him. He is lucky that Crystal broke up with him. As a couple, those two were going nowhere. I just hope he doesn't find another Crystal.
Robbie bought a good paddle. It has good weight, and it makes a good "smack!" Spanking his naked ass just to remind him who is boss makes me feel good. Spanking his naked ass and then making him give me oral sex makes me feel even better. Yesterday morning I walked into our bedroom and saw that he had not made the bed yet. I caught up to him and told him he needed to get that bed made. He dropped what he was doing and got right to it. GOD, I love that.
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Maybe you could help him find just such a woman. In your spare time...
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Not knowing how often you and Travis have had PIV sex, I reflect on the times you told us he would enter your room at night when you would suck his cock and he would leave. Or when you would suck his cock in the back seat of the car while Robbie drives or giving him blowjobs while on the sofa as Robbie watches. Being orally obsessed myself, for me, as a compulsive cocksucker, this would be the ideal arrangement, having some young stud, constantly horny, always available for me to suck his cock. So my comment is more a reflection of my mindset than of your writing skills. Sorry for the misinterpretation.
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Leah, Thank you for taking the time to respond to me. Obviously, it is next to impossible for me to relate to the behavior of an Alpha male on a date. I should not have underestimated your ability to handle yourself or set safe boundaries. If it were me taking you to dinner, I’d want to impress you, too, but I’d know that you’d eventually discover my sexual inadequacy and need to serve, so I’d likely be quite anxious and tongue-tied.
Your post about orgasming to the touch of his fingers was incredibly erotic. An amazing privilege for him! Thank you for sharing it with us! Sometimes I do wish I was allowed to masturbate…
Once I crossed the line with Travis, we were having sex all the time - PIV, oral, whatever. I don't remember how many times I wrote or didn't write about PIV sex between us. Since I can't write about everything, I try to write about what I think might be more interesting or informative. But I do like to give oral sex, because I think I'm pretty good at it, and also because Robbie and I see it as more sinful than PIV sex. I kind of enjoy being sinful these days.
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It’s amazing how varied we all view sexual experiences. I definitely view oral sex as an act of submission. My Dominant wife Never sucks me off, while I love worshipping Her pussy, and She expects it. I would think that it would further Robbie’s humiliation to witness (or simply know) that you give “real men” this amazing privilege while his penis is not worthy of such a delight.
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It would definitely increase his humiliation if he knew there was another woman who knew of his shortcomings.
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I like your use of the term "sinful" in a positive context unlike it's religious implications. I have little patience with the concept of "proper" behavior as derived through spiritual imaginings, leaning more towards the Golden Rule of treating others the way you would like to be treated by them, respecting their rights while doing no harm. As a confirmed Cocksucker, I know that my favored sexual activity is frowned upon by those espousing a more conservative ideology, but flying in the face of moral judgement kind of pushes my buttons also
This is the reason why I leave my bedroom door open sometimes. If Robbie wakes up, he finds his wife servicing another guy's cock. If he doesn't wake up, he finds out later that she serviced another guy behind his back but right next to him as he slept. I used to not tell him of all the times it happened behind his back, because I felt some shame for doing it so often. But now I make sure he knows about every single dirty thing that his wife does with other guys.
So I should tell him that Erin knows?
Hmm....I can see a lot of opportunities being born out of that
To be honest, I meant it in every bit of its religious context. I meant it like I was giving the finger to my religious upbringing. Both Robbie and I are so disillusioned about the way we were lied to as kids about so many things. It's been very difficult to finally see and then accept the fact that our parents are racist, misogynistic, and homophobic, they hate everyone who is different from them, and yet they are totally self-righteous. They worship Jesus and his message of tolerance, and yet they are totally and completely intolerant! I can still remember when I was a kid how we would leave church, and as soon as we got in the car, my parents would start trashing all the people they saw at church.
Our parents are angry. They are angry because sometimes they don't get life exactly right, and when that happens, they need someone else to blame. All their problems are always someone else's fault, and that mindset has plenty of company. And so they and their "friends" find fellowship and a sense of belonging in blaming their problems on everyone who is different. It is the entire basis of their "friendship." And what is even more disgusting is that when they get together with "friends" to trash blacks and gays and Muslims etc, as soon as their "friends" leave, they trash them, too.
My dad and I hardly get along anymore. He literally hates me, because I don't hate others. He is very angry about that. Angry is his favorite mood.
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This is very sad, and I compliment you and Robbie for your wise and thoughtful evolution away from that destructive, corrosive mindset. I routinely come across people who think as your parents do, and I make every attempt to winnow these people out from my circle of friends. Unfortunately, they do exist and their misguided, blind support for leaders who pander to their prejudices does much harm to our country and community. Your developing lifestyle and the resulting sexual freedom you enjoy is an appropriate response to these antisocial viewpoints. Who was it who said "Living well is the best revenge"?
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yes a lot could happen with that. how do you think he would take it?
does she know his cock is caged sometimes, and she knows about the other boys?
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IMHO, this decision should be made very carefully. Obviously, you can’t put toothpaste back in the tube, and once you tell Erin (or anyone), you can’t “un-tell” it. You need to be sure you can trust her 100%.
Would it be erotically humiliating for him? As I believe he is like me, I would say, very much so. I have had “accidents” in my panties just from my wife suggesting that perhaps her friends should know that I hand-wash her panties and bras.
Mor about blowjobs: I’m not sure if you’ve stated this, but when Robbie is aware that you’ve had another man’s cock in your mouth, it would be deliciously humiliating for him to be required to recite, for you, why his penis is not worthy of such a privilege.
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Amen to this, and yet again, amen!
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I see this so often, where a person's comments are a projection of their own fantasies, and have nothing to do with the person they're commenting on. It's nice to see someone recognize this and acknowledge it. (And now I'm wondering if I do it too
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Yes, I can see how that was somewhat risky because of Travis's immaturity, his proximity to your personal lives and the fact that he started out fucking you in your own home with your husband's knowledge and presence (rather than working up to that). But it seems to have gone ok so far.
Travis is an interesting example as a lover in that he seems to be somewhat submissive to you. I personally am very dominant with my cuckold but generally neither dominant nor submissive with my lovers. I do enjoy a man who is more assertive and physical than my cuckold husband and I am comfortable if my lover and I adopt 'typical' or 'traditional' male and female roles, especially in the bedroom. It is easy enough to not be submissive. However, on occasion they slide into submissiveness, which I can't quite prevent and which can be problematic. If the guy is reasonably stable otherwise and is basically a dude with a big hard cock and lots of stamina who likes to do as he is told that I just fine. But if he becomes needy that can be more of a challenge.
A guy who is just sexually needy is easy enough to handle. I set the parameters and tell him to take it or leave it. Usually they take it. But if they leave it that just tells me it was for the best in the long run anyway. There are always more men. But if he becomes an emotionally needy submissive he will struggle more to accept limitations and can become more volatile. That requires more firm direction and sometimes putting distance between myself and that man because if he insists on being submissive that is harder to turn off, especially because I so enjoy being dominant. So, on the one hand having Travis as an obedient fuck buddy has its merits, but I get the feeling you may be concerned about his ability to maintain boundaries. Further to your earlier comments about caging both he and Robbie. It sounds like delicious fun but he might like it a bit too much, lol.
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In his shoes, I would want to be told. As i said somewhere recently (I apologize if it was here and I'm repeating myself), having one's humiliation witnessed (or in this case, to know that it has been witnessed) increases its erotic potential by tenfold.
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Amen, sister!
