One Big Beautiful Bill Act

[IARainman]

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Playing that card only fuels polarization.

Plain and simple: if you don't get support for your position, maybe it's time to focus on the position rather than the message, it villainizing the opposition.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Quinnipiac Poll

June 11, 2025

Majority Of Voters Oppose GOP Budget Bill, With Just 67% Of Republicans In Support, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Trump Job Approval: 38%, His Handling Of Russia - Ukraine War Lowest Among List Of Issues​

As the Senate debates the GOP tax and spending bill titled One Big Beautiful Bill Act and President Donald Trump pushes for a July 4 deadline to sign it, voters 53 - 27 percent oppose the legislation, with 20 percent not offering an opinion, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University national poll of registered voters released today.

Republicans 67 - 10 percent support the bill, with 22 percent not offering an opinion.

Democrats 89 - 2 percent oppose the bill, with 10 percent not offering an opinion.

Independents 57 - 20 percent oppose the bill, with 23 percent not offering an opinion.

Nearly half of voters (47 percent) think federal funding for Medicaid should increase, 40 percent think it should stay about the same, and 10 percent think federal funding for Medicaid should decrease.

https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3924

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

lol

I’m always entertained by how you immediately;y backtrack after saying something.

 

[Lazaran]

The Democrat failures, and yes, I'm still, for the moment a card carrying democrat,

Who did you vote for in the 2024 election???







We. Told. Them. So.

 

[IARainman]

Who did you vote for in the 2024 election???







We. Told. Them. So.

I assume you mean for President. I voted for Harris because I could not vote for a lying, convicted felon, serial business failure and fraud, wanna be despot for "leader" of the free world.

And his failures are largely what I thought they'd be.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

The bill has passed!

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I’m always entertained by how you immediately;y backtrack after saying something.

You’ll just have to accept that fact that Trump has stopped the massive surge of illegal border crossings. We just hit another historically low number of encounters. Be happy!

 

[glamorilla]

Gosh i sure hope all those politicians who have been lying to me for years and decades while becoming mysteriously wealthy arent lying to me this time and we can circumvent billions and trillions of deaths by not letting this monstrosity of a bill pass.

 

[nowisthetime]

As someone who is on the bubble of becoming disengaged, let me expound.

First, you say democrats have pushed for policy that help regular people. I think moderate conservatives would argue they want to help regular people by allowing them to keep more of what they earn. That voter resents being taxed to pay for every whim. So, I'm not sure the "average joe" argument necessarily flows to the democrats. Of course, due to political polarization, it's really a moot point because we can't have moderate approaches to anything.

The Democrat failures, and yes, I'm still, for the moment a card carrying democrat, have empowered the move to the right:

A reasonable person will say at some point a fetus becomes a human life. Where that point is has always been a floating target based on conflicting science (viability and development arguments) and morality positions. But the push to negate the notion that very late term abortions become murder at some point has caused a hardline stance on the right. If things had remained first trimester approval, abortion would never have become an issue to most voters.

Most reasonable people believe that you should take efforts to have a reasonably safe and secure border. Why have borders or laws if you're not going to enforce them? Democrats had the opportunity to tighten border security (remember, we had a border czar too, anyone remember who that was?) and do it in a way that was human and compassionate, but they whiffed on that. So, who empowered MAGA to take such am inhumane and hateful approach? Who pushed otherwise reasonable voters away?

Healthcare for all, doesn't necessarily mean every procedure everyone wants. Providing basic, life saving and sustaining care, with a path to do better, might have saved the backlash on that issue.

Further, I can't support (financially) candidate I want to support, because ALL money, even in local elections goes through the parties. In my life as a voting person, I've made 2 political contributions, totaling less than $100, and I am bombarded by fundraising requests daily. I would love to support a couple of local and state democratic individual candidates, but I won't, because the party has shown what my reward will be and what they value. So, is the Democratic Party raising people up or using them as stepping stones to rise to power?

I have some moderate Republican friends too, and they have similar complaints, they felt pushed into voting the way they could find hope.

So, when I hear my state party leaders say that we lost elections because we failed to communicate our message, without any recognition that perhaps that message needs to change, it's disenfranchising. And why will they continue to take this stance? Because it isn't about solving problems, it's about "beating republicans." Don't try to dismiss that notion. I see it, verbatim, in most of the fund raising pleas I receive. Any guesses what the Republican pleas look like?

I'm sick of having to explain this and nobody listening, nobody representing me, not in the White House or Congress, or my state and county leaders. I am increasingly disenfranchised.

I definitely get where you’re coming from. A lot of your points are valid because many Dems have dropped the ball on messaging and missed chances to lead with strength. But I’d argue the GOP’s hard-right turn wasn’t just because Dems were soft, it was a deliberate choice fueled by outrage and fear tactics.

I do wish Dems fought harder a little earlier. But if folks fully check out, it just gives more power to the extremists who are counting on voter burnout. That’s the concerning part.

 

[Rebel5soul]

It's amazing how you can give someone a doughnut and all they see is the hole. What a pathetic way to go through life.

 

[Lazaran]

I assume you mean for President. I voted for Harris because I could not vote for a lying, convicted felon, serial business failure and fraud, wanna be despot for "leader" of the free world.

And his failures are largely what I thought they'd be.

But those radical Democrats, amirite…





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[IARainman]

But those radical Democrats, amirite…





We. Told. Them. So.

I'm confident that at least she would have worked within the guardrails of democracy, you know, the constitution, that conservatives used hold up as their North Star (along with fiscal responsibility, personal responsibility, respect for law and order) except they seem to be stuck on only upholding one amendment. At this point, I would have been better off casting a protest vote, at least it would have felt like doing something positive.

 

[Lazaran]

I'm confident that at least she would have worked within the guardrails of democracy, you know, the constitution, that conservatives used hold up as their North Star (along with fiscal responsibility, personal responsibility, respect for law and order) except they seem to be stuck on only upholding one amendment. At this point, I would have been better off casting a protest vote, at least it would have felt like doing something positive.

You didn’t understand BSG’s post, and you didn’t understand mine…



The idiots (left and center) who kept the "both sides" narrative going and portrayed the Democrats as being JUST AS BAD as the MAGAt republicans are the ones who got us to this point (the end of democracy in America and the end of America itself)

Susan Sarandon is the queen of the idiots.

Hope that ^ helps.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[Lazaran]

The bill has passed!

And now America burns.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

 

[heathrowinneo]

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Kind of like signing the death warrant for the lower and middle class

 

[Lazaran]

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BabyBoobs celebrates MAGAt Mike signing America’s death warrant.





We. Told. Them. So.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Kind of like signing the death warrant for the lower and middle class

By not raising their taxes. lol.

 

[Lazaran]

Kind of like signing the death warrant for the lower and middle class

Damn, you beat me to it…



Great minds and all…



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

You’ll just have to accept that fact that Trump has stopped the massive surge of illegal border crossings. We just hit another historically low number of encounters. Be happy!

I’m not the only who has asked you this, but how do you have numbers on how many people came into the country without the government knowing, or how many people overstayed their visit?

Looking forward to you answer.

 

[nowisthetime]

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The weasel's little state will suffer. And by God they better vote him out come midterms. They purposely delayed the Medicaid cuts till after the midterms because they count on folks having short attention spans. The Dems better stay on top of it with the messaging.

 

[Crownvic]

The bill has passed!

 

[IARainman]

You didn’t understand BSG’s post, and you didn’t understand mine…



The idiots (left and center) who kept the "both sides" narrative going and portrayed the Democrats as being JUST AS BAD as the MAGAt republicans are the ones who got us to this point (the end of democracy in America and the end of America itself)

Susan Sarandon is the queen of the idiots.

Hope that ^ helps.





We. Told. Them. So.

I fully understood BSGs post and you're twisting what I said. I never made any comparison between democrats and MAGA. My point was that the parties are the root of this dysfunction and they have a stranglehold on us. Democracy is not working and that's a very scary prospect. (Have you seen this scary prophecy Prediction).

I refuse to just step into line and be "a good little Democrat, if we don't learn from our mistakes, we're doomed to repeat them.

 

[icanhelp1]

Quinnipiac Poll

June 11, 2025

Majority Of Voters Oppose GOP Budget Bill, With Just 67% Of Republicans In Support, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Trump Job Approval: 38%, His Handling Of Russia - Ukraine War Lowest Among List Of Issues​

As the Senate debates the GOP tax and spending bill titled One Big Beautiful Bill Act and President Donald Trump pushes for a July 4 deadline to sign it, voters 53 - 27 percent oppose the legislation, with 20 percent not offering an opinion, according to a Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pea-ack) University national poll of registered voters released today.

Republicans 67 - 10 percent support the bill, with 22 percent not offering an opinion.

Democrats 89 - 2 percent oppose the bill, with 10 percent not offering an opinion.

Independents 57 - 20 percent oppose the bill, with 23 percent not offering an opinion.

Nearly half of voters (47 percent) think federal funding for Medicaid should increase, 40 percent think it should stay about the same, and 10 percent think federal funding for Medicaid should decrease.

https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3924

That’s because many if not most Americans don’t understand the original concept and intent for Medicaid.

 

[icanhelp1]

I assume you mean for President. I voted for Harris because I could not vote for a lying, convicted felon, serial business failure and fraud, wanna be despot for "leader" of the free world.

And his failures are largely what I thought they'd be.

And that message is why you democrats lost. Democrats lack self awareness. If the world was flat the Democratic Party would fall off the left side.