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I wonder how many people who oppose the bill have calculated how much more they will pay in federal income taxes starting in 2026 if the bill does not pass. I suspect most have no clue.
Its a four year kick of the can.

You'll be asking the same question again then.

Same as they did the last time they made a temp cut.

But sure.....the game is fun to point fingers. The majority of the bill is shit and does nothing to address anything except MAGA brains
 
I wonder how many people who oppose the bill have calculated how much more they will pay in federal income taxes starting in 2026 if the bill does not pass. I suspect most have no clue.
Do people worry about federal income tax yet willingly pay state taxes?

Look at the overall tax rate and pay your share, along with those poverty-stricken millionaires who are campaigning for the bill.
 
Its a four year kick of the can.

You'll be asking the same question again then.

Same as they did the last time they made a temp cut.

But sure.....the game is fun to point fingers. The majority of the bill is shit and does nothing to address anything except MAGA brains
Parts of the bill, including the higher SALT cap, are temporary but the individual rates and standard deduction will be permanent (indexed for inflation). I don’t think most people have any idea how much more they would pay starting in 2026 if the bill fails pass.
 
Do people worry about federal income tax yet willingly pay state taxes?

Look at the overall tax rate and pay your share, along with those poverty-stricken millionaires who are campaigning for the bill.
Yes, many people actually do pay attention to their federal and state income taxes. Part of the reason tax deferred retirement accounts, ROTH IRAs, HSA’ and educational savings accounts are popular.
 
Parts of the bill, including the higher SALT cap, are temporary but the individual rates and standard deduction will be permanent (indexed for inflation). I don’t think most people have any idea how much more they would pay starting in 2026 if the bill fails pass.
The version of the bill I read mentioned that individual rates expire in 2028. That apparently has changed. I was mistaken.
 
As a Libertarian, increasing our debt by $3 trillion over 10 years is unconscionable. More government - no! Trump could give 'one whit' about the debt, after all he's a billionaire by leveraging debt and capitalizing on gov't tax benefits. Also, a net increase of $140 billion for ICE, border control, and a border wall is the wrong answer to the right question: How best do we address our immigration problem? Start with enforceable policy.

It's also apparent that he and Musk have resumed their bromance. $1 billion for spaceports??? C'mon. Blatant conflict of interest.
 
As a Libertarian, increasing our debt by $3 trillion over 10 years is unconscionable. More government - no! Trump could give 'one whit' about the debt, after all he's a billionaire by leveraging debt and capitalizing on gov't tax benefits. Also, a net increase of $140 billion for ICE, border control, and a border wall is the wrong answer to the right question: How best do we address our immigration problem? Start with enforceable policy.

It's also apparent that he and Musk have resumed their bromance. $1 billion for spaceports??? C'mon. Blatant conflict of interest.
I'm honestly less worried about whether immigration policy is “enforceable” and more about how this $140 billion for ICE, Border Patrol, and the wall will ripple through the economy. It’s a huge expense for a solution that doesn’t address the core issue, and could seriously damage state economies.

Look at Georgia back in 2011 after passing strict laws, they lost thousands of farm workers and millions in crops. Arizona saw declines in business activity and tax revenue after its own crackdown. These aren’t isolated cases. California, Texas, and Florida all depend on immigrant labor for agriculture, construction, elder care, and food services, those jobs that aren’t being filled by native-born workers. Let's face it, and they are not willing to pay people what they are worth.

Even sectors like meatpacking in the Midwest or dairy farms in Wisconsin rely on immigrant workers. Stripping that labor force through mass enforcement leads to rising food prices, delayed construction, and worker shortages across the board.

They should look at expanded visa programs, legal pathways tied to workforce needs, not throwing billions at agencies with terrible track records. Once again, a waste of money and will fuck up many states. Bigotry, of course, gets in the way of common sense.
 
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I wonder how many people who oppose the bill have calculated how much more they will pay in federal income taxes starting in 2026 if the bill does not pass. I suspect most have no clue.

I wonder how many fake conservatives only pretend to care about deficits and the national debt when a Democrat is in the White House?
 
I wonder how many fake conservatives only pretend to care about deficits and the national debt when a Democrat is in the White House?
Or how many liberals are pretending to care as well.

The reason the deficit and debt numbers look bad is because under current law, taxes will go up next year for most taxpayers. Every Democrat in the House and Senate will be voting to raise income taxes on most individuals.
 
Alaska is the state that will suffer the absolute worst when MAGA guts Medicaid.

Alaskans rely on Medicaid for air medical transport from remote Alaskan villages to major medical centers when roads are impassable (50% of the year by some accounts).

So after careful consideration, Weathervane US Senator Lisa Murkowski decided to vote........in favor of the Medicaid cuts.

Ironically, Murkowski won re-election to her Senate seat because she claimed Alaskans would receive less federal funding if a Democrat was elected.

I'm guessing Murkowski is a two-pack a day smoker. She's 67 years old and had so many lines and wrinkles on her face in a picture published last week in the news that she looked 15-to-20 years older.
 
Keep in mind that “cuts” to Medicaid spending are actually reductions in the rate of projected increases in Medicaid spending. Here is what is now in the Senate bill that have apparently moved Murkowski into the yes column.

  • a tax exemption for fishers in Western Alaska;
  • an increase in amount of expenses like exploding projectiles that whaling captains can deduct, from $10,000 to $50,000;
  • an increase in the share of Medicaid costs paid by the federal government by 25% for Alaska and 15% for Hawaii;
  • allowing the Alaska and Hawaii state governments to request an exemption from a work requirement for Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program recipients;
  • a two-year exemption for Alaska and Hawaii from paying a higher share of SNAP expenses; and
  • an increase in payments to certain providers for services in Alaska and Hawaii through Medicare, the insurance program for people 65 and older, as reported by the New York Times.
https://alaskabeacon.com/2025/06/28...big-federal-bill-as-u-s-senate-starts-debate/
 
The reason the deficit and debt numbers look bad is because under current law, taxes will go up next year for most taxpayers.

Nope. The reason deficit and debt numbers look bad is because the Republicans in control have created a Tax & Spend bill that results in deficits and additional national debt.
 
Nope. The reason deficit and debt numbers look bad is because the Republicans in control have created a Tax & Spend bill that results in deficits and additional national debt.
You can look it up. The individual tax rates, standard deduction, and AMT thresholds snap back to pre-TCJA levels if the bill doesn’t pass. Glad you agree that spending “cuts” are not deep enough though.
 
You can look it up. The individual tax rates, standard deduction, and AMT thresholds snap back to pre-TCJA levels if the bill doesn’t pass. Glad you agree that spending “cuts” are not deep enough though.

If the tax rates etc went back to pre-TCJA levels, the deficits would be lower not higher.

Think before you type.
 
If the tax rates etc went back to pre-TCJA levels, the deficits would be lower not higher.
Tax receipts have been remarkably consistent at around 17% of GDP for many decades. No reason to think that won’t continue keeping current individual tax rates in place. Sounds like you’re in the pro-tax hike camp.
 
Tax receipts have been remarkably consistent at around 17% of GDP for many decades. No reason to think that won’t continue keeping current individual tax rates in place. Sounds like you’re in the pro-tax hike camp.

I stated a fact and you’re trying to deflect. If the tax rates etc went back to pre-TCJA levels, the deficits would be lower, not higher.

And as I’ve stated before, I’m fine with the expiration of the Trump tax cuts, which is what was approved when they were voted on.
 
I stated a fact and you’re trying to deflect. If the tax rates etc went back to pre-TCJA levels, the deficits would be lower, not higher.

And as I’ve stated before, I’m fine with the expiration of the Trump tax cuts, which is what was approved when they were voted on.
Nope. I stated facts. Federal tax collections have averaged around 17% of GDP for decades. You support raising individual income taxes across the board.
 
Let's untangle this proposal and check the pros and cons. Below is an overview. I'd appreciate your help in other aspects. Thank you in advance.

✅ Positive Tax Changes (Supporters' Perspective)​

  1. Extension of 2017 Tax Cuts
    The bill extends the provisions of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, which are set to expire at the end of 2025. This extension is intended to maintain lower tax rates for individuals and corporations.
  2. Increased SALT Deduction Cap
    The state and local tax (SALT) deduction cap is raised from $10,000 to $40,000, potentially benefiting taxpayers in high-tax states.
  3. Defense Spending Boost
    An additional $150 billion is allocated for defense spending, which supporters argue strengthens national security.

❌ Negative Tax Changes (Critics' Perspective)​

  1. Potential Increase in National Debt
    The bill is estimated to add several trillion dollars to the national debt over the next decade, raising concerns about fiscal sustainability.
  2. Reduction in Social Program Funding
    Significant cuts are proposed for programs like Medicaid and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), which could affect low-income individuals.
  3. Scaling Back Clean Energy Incentives
    The bill reduces many clean-energy tax credits established under the Inflation Reduction Act, potentially impacting renewable energy initiatives.
  4. Loss of Health Insurance Coverage
    It's projected that nearly 14 million Americans could lose health insurance coverage due to the proposed changes.
The positive tax change # 1 is directly associated with negative tax change # 1. When will Republicans figure out that tax cuts lead to more national debt?

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Haha. I can’t believe you doubled down on your stupidity.

If the tax cuts expire, tax revenue will increase and deficits will be lower.
Nonsense. The CBO’s $3.3 trillion deficit increase over ten years assumes that Congress would allow a $4.5 trillion scheduled tax increase on 68% of taxpayers to go into effect. That’s pure fantasy. Neither party would allow that to happen. Even Biden’s plan would have kept all existing individual rates in place except for the top bracket which he wanted to raise from 37% to 39.6%.

As the Wall Street Journal points out, the CBO estimates that the Senate bill would SAVE $500 billion over ten years based on current policy which is the more realistic scenario. Even the Obama administration held that view in 2012 when it extended most of the Bush tax cuts.
 
The CBO’s $3.3 trillion deficit increase over ten years assumes that Congress would allow a $4.5 trillion scheduled tax increase on 68% of taxpayers to go into effect.

You have that backwards. The CBO’s projection of $3.3 trillion deficit increase is based on what is in the Tax & Spend Bill, which is the extension of the tax cuts.
 
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