Judaism AMA

[Alpine99]

Hamas was the elected government of Gaza. The massacre was an act of war. Israel is at war with Gaza. Gaza can release the hostages and remove Hamas, unfortunately if you elect people war is your problem.
It’s not wrong for Isreal to fight, it is wrong for Hamas to use the Gazan as human shields, and the UN to help fund the terrorists and tunnel but not help build bomb shelters. As Hamas said the tunnels are for Hamas and the UN should take care of the citizens.
Fortunately, the UN didn’t. They built schools that had weapons built into them and tunnels under them, the textbooks in the schools encourage jihad against the Israelis.
No, I don’t think it’s wrong at all. It’s unfortunate just like all those German citizens who weren’t part of the Nazi party were unfortunately killed in World War II. Like the city of Dresden that was bombed just because Churchill could do it because the city of Bath that was bombed in retaliation for Dresden. Neither had any military significance. Hamas has put military tunnels all under Gaza, there are accesses to those tunnels in almost every house, school and hospital. Their command centers are under hospitals and the themselves has said they put them there because they wouldn’t get attacked if they were under hospitals or in schools.
Do you worry about the children of Sudan, the Palestinians in Lebanon, the people in Syria that were kept in the prisons, and the innocent people were killed, the women and girls who have been killed solely because some of their hair is showing from underneath their veils. To worry about other innocent refugees from war around the global, the people who the UN are not spending a fortune to support for 70 years?
Believe it or not Israel is trying very hard not to kill civilians. They tell civilians when they’re gonna take down a building so they can leave. They protect corridors so refugees can move around the country without getting shot by Hamas. I don’t know where you’re getting your information or how you think that the Gazans super special and no other people at war or refugees are, but you’re wrong. And at the end of this war, when you find out the truth, I hope it doesn’t crush you.

I don’t think they are special, but they are currently part of the Jewish conversation and that was the subject of the thread. I hate the taking of innocent lives no matter where in the world it happens and whoever it happens to. It’s usually at the behest of some asshole government and done in the name of peace but the only people who profit are those that make bullets and bombs.
If you look at the facts the Palestinians have always been killed in far greater numbers than Israelis. When the death toll swings that far you can only define Israel as the aggressors.

 

[Noor]

I don’t think they are special, but they are currently part of the Jewish conversation and that was the subject of the thread. I hate the taking of innocent lives no matter where in the world it happens and whoever it happens to. It’s usually at the behest of some asshole government and done in the name of peace but the only people who profit are those that make bullets and bombs.
If you look at the facts the Palestinians have always been killed in far greater numbers than Israelis. When the death toll swings that far you can only define Israel as the aggressors.

Let’s look at World War Two, who’s the aggressor in Europe? Who lost the most people? It’s war, your logic doesn’t work.
The aggressor was Hamas, islamic Chi hard and a bunch of civilians on October 7. 6000 people crossed into Isreal, they gruesomely raped, tortured and then murdered their innocence victims, the fact that they were inefficient at it, doesn’t make it any less of a massacre.

 

[WetSubGirl]

That sounds biased. You are favored because of a specific quality that, according to the Torah, no one else has. These particular qualities only developed within the last few thousand years. How long have humans been capable of recognizing speech? If you can understand the concept of speech, and try to convey a thought, you're intelligent enough to receive a thought.

You are an atheist. So we suddenly evolved a little over 2000 years ago and only some of us got the memo. Why?

Back in the day other tribes had other gods, it was completely ok to have god as an ally. There are plenty discussions in Torah about competition between different god in ancient Canaan. I would attach links to podcasts on the topic, for Hebrew speakers.

 

[WetSubGirl]

The Nazis tried to commit genocide against the Jews.
Israel appears to have a similar agenda for the Palestinians.
Not all perpetrators of genocide are Nazis.

Seriously, if Israel wanted to wipe out Gaza- it could be done in a day. The only reason this war with Hamas continues is an Israeli respect to human lives on both sides.

 

[WetSubGirl]

I don’t think they are special, but they are currently part of the Jewish conversation and that was the subject of the thread. I hate the taking of innocent lives no matter where in the world it happens and whoever it happens to. It’s usually at the behest of some asshole government and done in the name of peace but the only people who profit are those that make bullets and bombs.
If you look at the facts the Palestinians have always been killed in far greater numbers than Israelis. When the death toll swings that far you can only define Israel as the aggressors.

It's plain stupid to compare death tolls to decide who is an agressor. Compare US casualties in WWII and Japanese- who is the aggressor according to you?

 

[JohnEngelman]

By this logic, Christian’s should be able to live wherever they want in other Christian countries? This is not really how the world works is it?

Let the Jews have Israel and tell the Palestinians to move.

 

[Justplainjeff]

Denying reality is indicative of an underlying mental problem.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/15-european-countries-with-most-muslims.html

Does anyone realize London has a Muslim mayor? Manchester is totally controlled by Muslims. Many European cities are becoming Muslim controlled. England no longer teaches ANYTHING about the holocaust, for fear of upsetting the camel jockeys.

 

[Cogan]

Does anyone realize London has a Muslim mayor? Manchester is totally controlled by Muslims. Many European cities are becoming Muslim controlled. England no longer teaches ANYTHING about the holocaust, for fear of upsetting the camel jockeys.

Can you link to that information please? When I searched I found this.

https://www.het.org.uk/about/holocaust-education-uk

 

[Noor]

Judaism is matrilineal, so it’s just a matter of time before low motility and theocratic karenism wipes them out .

Maybe in another 4000+ years?

 

[Noor]

Does anyone realize London has a Muslim mayor? Manchester is totally controlled by Muslims. Many European cities are becoming Muslim controlled. England no longer teaches ANYTHING about the holocaust, for fear of upsetting the camel jockeys.

Yes, I realize. Take a look at Dearborn, Michigan too

 

[Justplainjeff]

Can you link to that information please? When I searched I found this.

https://www.het.org.uk/about/holocaust-education-uk

I'm going on word of mouth from the 5 wives of my military pals I was stationed with in the UK, and they tell all of us that their nieces and nephews are NOT taught anything about the Holocaust. I guess you think they all must be lying to the rest of our group. By the way, one of my group, who grew up in Western North Carolina wasn't taught about the Holocaust either.

 

[Winter_Fare]

Does anyone realize London has a Muslim mayor? Manchester is totally controlled by Muslims. Many European cities are becoming Muslim controlled. England no longer teaches ANYTHING about the holocaust, for fear of upsetting the camel jockeys.

I'm so sick of hearing stuff like this. I have three kids in school in UK and they have all been educated about the Holocaust. It's in the national curriculum.
Edit to link: https://www.het.org.uk/about/holocaust-education-uk
And so flipping what if there are Muslims in politics? You don't hear people moaning about Jewish people and Christians in politics.... Oh wait.

 

[Cogan]

I'm going on word of mouth from the 5 wives of my military pals I was stationed with in the UK, and they tell all of us that their nieces and nephews are NOT taught anything about the Holocaust. I guess you think they all must be lying to the rest of our group. By the way, one of my group, who grew up in Western North Carolina wasn't taught about the Holocaust either.

Well, it's their word against others. If you had a link to a proper site that supports what you say, your argument gets a bit stronger.
And as you see in my link it's against the law to not educate about Holocaust in school in the UK.

 

[Justplainjeff]

I'm so sick of hearing stuff like this. I have three kids in school in UK and they have all been educated about the Holocaust. It's in the national curriculum.
Edit to link: https://www.het.org.uk/about/holocaust-education-uk
And so flipping what if there are Muslims in politics? You don't hear people moaning about Jewish people and Christians in politics.... Oh wait.

Yeah, oh wait. Look at the worldwide Anti-sematism and rethink that statement.

 

[Winter_Fare]

Yeah, oh wait. Look at the worldwide Anti-sematism and rethink that statement.

No thanks. I bet the word islamophobia means nothing to you. Perhaps educate yourself.

 

[Politruk]

Let’s look at World War Two, who’s the aggressor in Europe? Who lost the most people?

The USSR lost the most people.

 

[Politruk]

Originally, the Israelites worshiped idols of multiple gods, like their neighbors. At some point, the priests of Yahweh decided Yahweh was the only true god and it was a sin to worship any other.

No good has ever come of that kind of thinking in all of human history.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Originally, the Israelites worshiped idols of multiple gods, like their neighbors. At some point, the priests of Yahweh decided Yahweh was the only true god and it was a sin to worship any other.

No good has ever come of that kind of thinking in all of human history.

Gentiles can can worship as many gods or idols as they want. It's only forbidden for Jews. Why do you care what the Jews do? Why is our religion any of your business?

 

[Politruk]

Gentiles can can worship as many gods or idols as they want. It's only forbidden for Jews. Why do you care what the Jews do? Why is our religion any of your business?

Because it has somehow inspired others, and those are entirely pernicious. The world would be better off if Abraham had died at birth.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

No thanks. I bet the word islamophobia means nothing to you. Perhaps educate yourself.

When Muslims stop saying they want commit genocide against the Jews, I'll stop being afraid of them.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Because it has inspired others, and those are entirely pernicious.

The Jews aren't responsible for how the fan-fic religions twist our teachings. Take the Muslims and the Christians to task, but leave us out of it.

 

[Politruk]

When Muslims stop saying they want commit genocide against the Jews, I'll stop being afraid of them.

Before Israel was founded, Jews generally had an easier time of it in Muslim countries than in Christian countries.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Before Israel was founded, Jews generally had an easier time of it in Muslim countries than in Christian countries.

Before Israel was established, the Jews in the middle east were treated as second-class citizens and subject to periodic pogroms.

The Jews of eastern Europe generally had an easier time than the Jews living under Muslim dominion. They weren't entirely safe but it was easier to assimilate and keep your head down.

All of this changed, of course with the rise of the Nazis.

 

[colddiesel]

Before Israel was established, the Jews in the middle east were treated as second-class citizens and subject to periodic pogroms.

The Jews of eastern Europe generally had an easier time than the Jews living under Muslim dominion. They weren't entirely safe but it was easier to assimilate and keep your head down.

Is this correct? When Christian authoritarianism was established as an adjunct to Imperial rule. Europe was plunged into the Dark ages for more than 1,000 years. I am not suggesting that it was universally true but Christianity was far more intolerant than Islam for most of that time. The English exiled the Jews in 1290, the French 3 times in 1306,1326 and 1394, and most famously Spain in 1492. Incidentally it took Spain almost 500 years before the Jews were re-admitted in 1968. Most of those Jews settled in Moslem countries from Morocco in the west to Turkey in the east.

I am not suggesting that life among the moslems was a bundle of joy but generally it was significantly better than living with the christians. Militant Sunni islam has got much worse in the recent past particularly since Saudi Arabia has finance Madrassas throughout the moslem world teaching the extreme lessons which gave rise to ISIS. I have connections with Iranian Jews who lived in Qom the academic centre of Shia islam. Intolerance of Jews there got significantly worse after the US inspired coup to re-establish the Shah in 1954 and eventually led to their revolution.

Too many modern Christians think that if they shout their support for the Jews loudly enough and denigrate the moslems that will somehow absolve them. It does not.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Is this correct? When Christian authoritarianism was established as an adjunct to Imperial rule. Europe was plunged into the Dark ages for more than 1,000 years. I am not suggesting that it was universally true but Christianity was far more intolerant than Islam for most of that time.

What you say is true. That was then. This is now. Currently Muslims tend to be the most anti Jewish people on earth.