For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

[ll74]

Putin cannot win. If Ukraine succeeds in defeating the Bear militarily and a total surrender is inevitable, Putin WILL use nukes. And he won't restrict them to targets only in Ukraine.

Given that, what do you think the world should do? What do you think Trump should advocate for?

He should advocate.for peace.

Which means pissing off his best friend, Putin

 

[HisArpy]

He should advocate.for peace.

Which means pissing off his best friend, Putin

You think pissing off the guy who has threatened the use of nuclear weapons if Russia is ever threatened is a good idea?

Are you FUCKING STUPID?

There is only 1 way out of the war in Ukraine, give Putin what he wants in exchange for him signing a peace treaty to end the conflict, going home, and restoring the border.

What he wants is a revitalized industrial base and the lifting of oil embargoes and economic/banking sanctions. He doesn't want the wasteland that he turned Ukraine into because it will cost quadrillions to rehabilitate the land alone and he doesn't have the money. Nor will he ever have it if the sanctions aren't lifted.

And THAT is what Trump is trying to get Ukraine and Russia to do. The sooner he does it, the less likely the planet glows in the dark.

And here you are thinking that more military conflict is the key to ending the war. You need to get fucking real and stop being a fuckwit pussy.

 

[ll74]

You think pissing off the guy who has threatened the use of nuclear weapons if Russia is ever threatened is a good idea?

The result of advocating for peace is what leads to pissing him off.

I think peace is a good idea

Are you FUCKING STUPID?

You seem to be

There is only 1 way out of the war in Ukraine, give Putin what he wants in exchange for him signing a peace treaty to end the conflict, going home, and restoring the border.

Capitulation to an autocratic.dictator who opposed everything we stand for.

You're not bright.

What he wants is a revitalized industrial base and the lifting of oil embargoes and economic/banking sanctions. He doesn't want the wasteland that he turned Ukraine into because it will cost quadrillions to rehabilitate the land alone and he doesn't have the money. Nor will he ever have it if the sanctions aren't lifted.

He wants to destroy Western values and majority in the world.

And THAT is what Trump is trying to get Ukraine and Russia to do. The sooner he does it, the less likely the planet glows in the dark.

Trump just digs dictators because he thinks they are cool with all their power.

And here you are thinking that more military conflict is the key to ending the war. You need to get fucking real.

I actually think the key to ending the war is having Russia stop their invasion and work towards negotiating peace instead of being fuckheads. And I think the US should use its power towards forcing them to do so.

 

[HisArpy]

The result of advocating for peace is what leads to pissing him off.

I think peace is a good idea


You seem to be


Capitulation to an autocratic.dictator who opposed everything we stand for.

You're not bright.


He wants to destroy Western values and majority in the world.


Trump just digs dictators because he thinks they are cool with all their power.


I actually think the key to ending the war is having Russia stop their invasion and work towards negotiating peace instead of being fuckheads. And I think the US should use its power towards forcing them to do so.

Yeah, I thought you were a clueless asshole already. This just proves it.

 

[Lazaran]

You think pissing off the guy who has threatened the use of nuclear weapons if Russia is ever threatened is a good idea?

Are you FUCKING STUPID?

There is only 1 way out of the war in Ukraine, give Putin what he wants in exchange for him signing a peace treaty to end the conflict, going home, and restoring the border.

What he wants is a revitalized industrial base and the lifting of oil embargoes and economic/banking sanctions. He doesn't want the wasteland that he turned Ukraine into because it will cost quadrillions to rehabilitate the land alone and he doesn't have the money. Nor will he ever have it if the sanctions aren't lifted.

And THAT is what Trump is trying to get Ukraine and Russia to do. The sooner he does it, the less likely the planet glows in the dark.

And here you are thinking that more military conflict is the key to ending the war. You need to get fucking real and stop being a fuckwit pussy.

Derpy posting Derpy things.



Putin ACTUALLY wants it ALL (Ukraine, Europe, Africa, South America,the arctic, etc. and Putin BELIEVES he can bully (or conspire with) DonOld the corrupt-orange-beta-traitor to achieve his goals.

Hope that ^ helps.



Derpy



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ll74]

Yeah, I thought you were a clueless asshole already. This just proves it.

You want to give Putin whatever he wants.

The invader.

I want peace and security for the country that he invaded and for Europe.

You and Reichy suck some Putin cock well...he appreciates that

 

[jomar]

Russia no longer recognizes President Volodymyr Zelensky as possessing legitimate authority to represent the Ukrainian state in any binding capacity. His term, as Russia sees it, has expired or lacks constitutional continuity, and his position is increasingly seen by Moscow as propped up entirely by foreign support, not domestic democratic legitimacy. Therefore, any future settlement must be signed or endorsed by a Ukrainian leadership with recognized constitutional standing, one that is either duly elected in accordance with Ukrainian law or that emerges from a transitional arrangement acceptable to all parties, including Russia.

Well, Ukraine’s constitution doesn’t allow for election of a new president during wartime so that’s another Putin bullshit pretzel logic demand in an effort to insert a puppet.

 

[dmallord]

There is a growing divergence between Russia's hardline position and Europe’s more idealistic diplomatic posture. What you’ve laid out captures the core of the strategic impasse, and the implications are stark.

Russia’s position has hardened into a clear military-first doctrine. Negotiations will only happen after strategic objectives are met on the battlefield, not before. Putin views any premature ceasefire as a Western tactic to deny Russia the fruits of its current battlefield momentum, a kind of political sleight of hand that would allow Ukraine to rearm under NATO’s umbrella. From that perspective, only battlefield dominance can create the political leverage Russia wants in any future settlement.

Meanwhile, Europe’s calls for a ceasefire before negotiations, often framed in humanitarian or rules-based terms, are increasingly detached from the operational reality on the ground. With Ukraine losing strategic positions and its manpower pool shrinking, Western-supplied aid arriving too little or too late, and western defense industries woefully outpaced, the situation is shifting in Russia’s favor. Europe’s own production capacities for shells, armor, and vehicles are not only lagging behind Russia’s, they’re struggling to meet even Ukraine’s defensive needs, much less enable a counteroffensive.

Putin now has the ability to push 30,000 to 50,000 troops through training every month, it’s not just a show of force, it’s a long war signal. Russia is not exhausted. It’s rotating units, preserving experienced brigades, building reserves, and keeping industrial lines running. In contrast, Ukraine is showing signs of fatigue, not just militarily, but socially and politically, while its Western backers remain fragmented in both vision and will.

So yes, all signs suggest this will not be resolved at a negotiating table in the near term — certainly not on Western or Ukrainian terms. Russia is betting it can win this war by attrition, not just of Ukraine’s military, but of Western resolve. And right now, that wager is looking increasingly calculated rather than reckless.

Russia no longer recognizes President Volodymyr Zelensky as possessing legitimate authority to represent the Ukrainian state in any binding capacity. His term, as Russia sees it, has expired or lacks constitutional continuity, and his position is increasingly seen by Moscow as propped up entirely by foreign support, not domestic democratic legitimacy. Therefore, any future settlement must be signed or endorsed by a Ukrainian leadership with recognized constitutional standing, one that is either duly elected in accordance with Ukrainian law or that emerges from a transitional arrangement acceptable to all parties, including Russia.

One final thought for clarity. The above assessment is presented from a strategic and factual standpoint, not a partisan one. These are simply my thoughts based on the information available. It does not serve to endorse any actor in the conflict but rather to juxtapose the reality on the ground, as it currently stands, against the often ungrounded optimism expressed by many in the Western media. The purpose is to foster a more sober, fact-based understanding of the situation, regardless of political alignment or ideological preference. Effective policy and diplomacy can only arise from an accurate reading of the battlefield, not from wishful thinking. So there you have it, my thoughts and beliefs on the present Ukrainian situation as I see it. We can look back on the above in the months to come. If I'm proven wrong, I will gladly mount the steps of Lit's pillory to be publicly corrected as only Litizens know how to do.

Please, quote this again in a few months as summer turns into autumn and the snows start to fly.

 

[ll74]

As mentioned multiple times before - Ukranian law is clear regarding martial law. Their Parliament is required to reapprove the declaration multiple times a year., which they have done. The declaration suspends any election. That means that Zelensky is still the legitimate President and any suggestion that he is not is Russian propaganda and counter to existing Ukranian laws.

As such, any article that says otherwise should immediately be disregarded as bullshit.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I actually think the key to ending the war is having Russia stop their invasion and work towards negotiating peace instead of being fuckheads. And I think the US should use its power towards forcing them to do so.

Personally I think the key here is killing Putin.

 

[dmallord]

You think pissing off the guy who has threatened the use of nuclear weapons if Russia is ever threatened is a good idea?

Are you FUCKING STUPID?

There is only 1 way out of the war in Ukraine, give Putin what he wants in exchange for him signing a peace treaty to end the conflict, going home, and restoring the border.

What he wants is a revitalized industrial base and the lifting of oil embargoes and economic/banking sanctions. He doesn't want the wasteland that he turned Ukraine into because it will cost quadrillions to rehabilitate the land alone and he doesn't have the money. Nor will he ever have it if the sanctions aren't lifted.

And THAT is what Trump is trying to get Ukraine and Russia to do. The sooner he does it, the less likely the planet glows in the dark.

And here you are thinking that more military conflict is the key to ending the war. You need to get fucking real and stop being a fuckwit pussy.

Language Arphy! It's not garnering any point in your flawed reasoning here. It takes a lot to digest what you put forth without bristling over your remarks. Let's examine this conflict through the lens of historical and recent political rhetoric by Putin. Let's try to put this into perspective, shall we?

As calls grow louder in some corners of the West— Trump's view being that we should negotiate peace in Ukraine—peace on Putin’s terms—it’s worth pausing to ask: what, exactly, are we about to give away? The logic behind these conversations is clear enough. End the war, lift sanctions, get back to business with Russia. Let the markets recover, restore energy deals, and move on. But that logic, however seductive, is both historically blind and strategically reckless.

Let’s dispense with illusions. Vladimir Putin did not launch a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022 because he felt threatened by NATO. He did it because he doesn’t believe Ukraine is a real country. In speeches, essays, and orders of battle, he has made it abundantly clear that he seeks not peace, but submission. His war is not about territory—it’s about control. And any treaty that leaves him in possession of Ukrainian land or influence rewards that ambition.

History is full of warnings for those who choose short-term calm over long-term clarity. The West tried appeasement once before, in the late 1930s, trading chunks of Czechoslovakia for promises from another authoritarian leader who claimed to just want “peace in our time.” We know how that ended.

This is not just about Ukraine’s borders. It’s about whether any nation—large or small—has the right to exist without being crushed by a stronger neighbor. It’s about whether tanks and missiles can rewrite maps in the 21st century. If we normalize Putin’s aggression, we open the door for other autocrats to do the same. What Taiwan is watching right now is not just Ukraine’s resistance—but the West’s resolve.

Lifting sanctions in exchange for a paper treaty that freezes the conflict in Russia’s favor would be a disaster. It would tell Putin, and every aspiring strongman, that the West lacks the stamina for long fights—that democracy can be bought off, one gas deal at a time.

What, then, should be the logical outcome of this war? A peace that upholds Ukrainian sovereignty. A negotiated end, perhaps—but only from a position of Ukrainian strength and territorial integrity, not exhaustion or abandonment. Crimea cannot be forgotten. The Donbas cannot be handed over. Western business leaders must also accept that some markets are not worth reopening if they come at the expense of justice and stability.

This war ends when Russia leaves—not when Ukraine yields. Until then, sanctions must remain in place, military aid must continue, and the message must be clear: there is no going back to business as usual. Not with a regime that believes borders are flexible and nations are expendable.

There is a difference between peace and surrender. The West must remember it. Trump will impede ending this war, and will not be the mediator of peace he wants to be called. He needs to be reigned in and the faster the better, but we know the spineless legislators are not about to go to 'battle' with a wannabe dictator, imitating Putin or the others he praises as influential leaders that like him very much.

Just being a lawyer and lacking historical credentials might give one some leeway in this area, so far out of your expertise. So, I'll give you a mulligan on such a bad and cringing essay with bad words toward others as well—shame on both accounts by the way.

 

[ChloeTzang]

At the end of March, experts from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) updated their forecast for the duration of Russia’s war against Ukraine.

According to a Razumkov Center poll, 74% of respondents at the start of March 2025 believe Ukraine will win the war.

Ukraine is very much in this for the long haul too. All the ceasefire talk is a play to humor Trump, and an attempt to bring him onside. I think the realization has set in that Trump is so decidely pro-Putin that he's a lost cause. On the other hand, Rubio and Vance seem to have realized that cutting Ukraine aid off and stabbing them in the back will cost them the 2028 GOP nomination, because a LOT of Republicans who count are down with Ukraine - witness Lindsay Graham and Dick Doofus with their cross-party Russian sanctions bill in the Senate. Aid continues to flow to Ukraine from the USA, quietly, despite Trump's bluster and bullshit. That's probably the best case scenario right now given all the other sabotage Tand chaos Trump is wreaking on western civilization.

Ukraine's play right now seems to be to let the Russian summer offensive get off the ground, likely hammer it into oblivion and then a late summer counter offensive somewhere. There are a LOT of Ukrainian units that seem to being held back from the front, and more equipment continues to be built and continues to be delivered, all while the Ukrainian drone assault on Russia industry and infrastructure contines. We are now into 500 drone attacks, something I mentioned coming a year ago - and soon enough it will be Thousand Drone attacks wiping Russian refineries and factories off the map irrepairably.

 

[ll74]

Europe should immediately step up their sanctions as should the US.

If I were Ukraine, I'd send drones deeper into Russia.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy908n4vr0jo

Russia launches major aerial attack on Ukraine capital​

 

[ll74]

The Senate is being blocked by 47 on sanctions against Russia.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1926355357133058067

 

[Rightguide]

I pretty much align with you on this. Putin is betting he can win a military victory. The EU still thinks negotiations are possible and hangs on to this hope like grim death, altho some, like Finland and the Baltic States, know who's next if Ukraine is defeated. Trump., meanwhile, is off in his on alternate reality sowing chaos and confusion and seemingly delighting in gnerally fucking around. Ukraine is under no illusions and is playing every card they have, with the EU slowly coming on board. Far too slowly, alas, just as with Biden - this war could likely have been won by Ukraine in 2023 if the Biden Administration had got off the pot and provided enough aid early on.

As it is, there's only two outcomes now - Ukraine wins militarily, or Ukraine loses. My bet is on an eventual Russian collapse, primarily economic but also militarily, and a Ukrainian victory.

Just saw this and I'm not surprised:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1926310831181955365

 

[ChloeTzang]

You think pissing off the guy who has threatened the use of nuclear weapons if Russia is ever threatened is a good idea?

Are you FUCKING STUPID?

There is only 1 way out of the war in Ukraine, give Putin what he wants in exchange for him signing a peace treaty to end the conflict, going home, and restoring the border.

What he wants is a revitalized industrial base and the lifting of oil embargoes and economic/banking sanctions. He doesn't want the wasteland that he turned Ukraine into because it will cost quadrillions to rehabilitate the land alone and he doesn't have the money. Nor will he ever have it if the sanctions aren't lifted.

And THAT is what Trump is trying to get Ukraine and Russia to do. The sooner he does it, the less likely the planet glows in the dark.

And here you are thinking that more military conflict is the key to ending the war. You need to get fucking real and stop being a fuckwit pussy.

No. It's been very clearly stated by Russia what they want, and that is a recreated Tsarist Russia which includes Ukraine and Belarus. Putin won't settle for anything other than a complete Ukrainian capitulation, whereupon any agreements signed will be tossed out the window as soon as convenient, and Ukraie overrun, after which the genocide will proceed.

A revitalized industrial base and the lifting of oil embargoes and economic/banking sanctions are just steps along the way to that end result. Once he has that, he will move on to Finland, the Baltic States, and other states neighhboring Russia like Georgia.

As for nuclear war., we've been there before thru the 50's, 60's and 70's. The only answer is nuclear deterrent, which, given Trump's abdication of any role as the leader of the free world, means Ukraine, Poland, Finland and Sweden need their own credible nuclear weapons. Thanks to both Biden and Trump, the nuclear nonproliferation treaty can be tossed in the garbage. Something North Korea and Iran both understand, as does Israel.

What needs to get real is EU and US support for Ukraine.

 

[ll74]

What a fucking stooge

"I don't know what happened"

Putin invaded Ukraine and continues his invasion, you moron

https://twitter.com/x/status/1926772509396861369

 

[dmallord]

What a fucking stooge

"I don't know what happened"

Putin invaded Ukraine and continues his invasion, you moron

https://twitter.com/x/status/1926772509396861369

Putin has to be shaking in his boots over the anger Trump spews in the video in front of the fake news people.

What's he going to do? Hell, if he knows, but I'm sure the felon has a concept of a plan to deal with it.

 

[Lazaran]

Putin has to be shaking in his boots over the anger Trump spews in the video in front of the fake news people.

Shaking with laughter???

What's he going to do? Hell, if he knows, but I'm sure the felon has a concept of a plan to deal with it.

He’ll probably call Zelenskyy a dictator…again…



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Everyone's so re;uctant to state the obvious.......

In essence, all Trump's nonsense about peace and negotiations and stop the killing does is encourage Putin to continue his war, thunking he can win.....

 

[Lazaran]

Everyone's so re;uctant to state the obvious.......

In essence, all Trump's nonsense about peace and negotiations and stop the killing does is encourage Putin to continue his war, thunking he can win.....


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And lest anyone doubt Putin’s grander aims, Russia has been undermining ALL of Europe, through media (all types) propaganda, political puppets, human trafficking, cyber attacks and ACTUAL attacks on individuals & infrastructure.

And Putin is well on his way to toppling America with his orange puppet in the White House, aided by a cabal of other Russian assets.



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[ChloeTzang]

BTR-4E Bucephalus in service with the Azov Brigade: Easy to operate, armored, fast, and deadly—this is one of the best vehicles produced in Ukraine.

The BTR-4 "Bucephalus" is an amphibious 8×8 wheeled infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) designed and manufactured in Ukraine by the Kharkiv Morozov Machine Building Design Bureau (SOE KMDB). The standard version is fitted with a remotely operated BM-3 Shturm weapon station fitted with one ZTM-1 30mm automatic cannon.

The vehicle has a conventional layout similar to Western designs like the German TPz Fuchs with the driver's and commander's compartment at the front of the hull, the engine and transmission compartment in the middle, and the troop compartment at the rear. The latest model is designed in accordance with NATO standards with a modified configuration of the vehicle's hull, which makes it possible to install additional types of protection (including the ceramic plates and explosive reactive armor) to reach the fourth and fifth protection levels in accordance with NATO standards. The hull rear is fitted with a ramp that not only enables troopers to enter and leave the vehicle much quicker, but also enables the armored personnel carrier to transport various large-size cargoes, including additional ammunition, spare parts, etc.

Ukrainian soldiers have praised the BTR-4, especially for its armour, mobility, and optics. Production has been scaling up over the last 3 years, with more and more Ukrainian Army brigades being equipped with these and hundreds expected to be manufactured and put into service over 2025.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1926629576731513254

 

[ChloeTzang]

 

[ChinoMoreno]

My dude is now calling it Biden's war and he wants no part of it anymore.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1926989626956259783