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offer more cash and or years than what the Dodgers/Yankees/Padres/Giants/Mets/Cubs/Red Sox/Cardinals/Rangers offer.
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just gonna make the point that for the first 50 years of my Padre fandom, there's no way my team would have been on that list. It took an owner who knew he was dying of cancer and was willing to go balls to the wall spending because he knew he couldn't take it with him for us to get on that list. we're staying on it because the team sells out regularly and the expectation has been set. But we also have essentially no local cable money, which is where the Yanks and Dodgers so far out perform other teams on an income basis. I agree with Kit in that at least the Dodgers are spending that money, which is great for their fans.

The Padres are basically a small market team. we are bordered by Mexico, an ocean, a desert and after Camp Pendleton, Dodger and Angel areas. so despite the population of San Diego itself, on a media market basis, the Padres are small market. As an example of that, I would cite the NFL team, and the two NBA franchises that moved out of San Diego largely in search of greater revenue streams not related to actual ticket sales. If it weren't for Ray Kroc, the Padres also would have moved back in 1973.
 
Belegon said:
just gonna make the point that for the first 50 years of my Padre fandom, there's no way my team would have been on that list. It took an owner who knew he was dying of cancer and was willing to go balls to the wall spending because he knew he couldn't take it with him for us to get on that list. we're staying on it because the team sells out regularly and the expectation has been set. But we also have essentially no local cable money, which is where the Yanks and Dodgers so far out perform other teams on an income basis. I agree with Kit in that at least the Dodgers are spending that money, which is great for their fans.

The Padres are basically a small market team. we are bordered by Mexico, an ocean, a desert and after Camp Pendleton, Dodger and Angel areas. so despite the population of San Diego itself, on a media market basis, the Padres are small market. As an example of that, I would cite the NFL team, and the two NBA franchises that moved out of San Diego largely in search of greater revenue streams not related to actual ticket sales. If it weren't for Ray Kroc, the Padres also would have moved back in 1973.
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You want to try small market, try being a Mariners fan. Our closest competition are the Athletics (thanks to their shit bag owner, there even closer for the next couple of years, playing out of Sacramento). The only out of state fans we have are in Idaho, Montana, and Alaska.

We're the only team to have never made it to the World Series. The rate they're going, the Kraken will have a cup before the Ms even win the division again. Hell, we'll probably have a new NBA team and they'll get to the finals before the Ms reach the Series.
 
I'm well aware of the Mariners struggles. Remember, we share a spring training facility. And I have my doubts as to whether San Diego will ever get another NBA club. Before we had the Clippers for a few years, we had the Rockets (Pre- Houston). But the one that really hurt me was Dean Spanos moving the Chargers. His father is probably still cursing Dean from the grave, as Alex Spanos had repeatedly said the Chargers were always going to be the San Diego Chargers. And while we have two world series appearances, the Padres have just as many actual Titles as your club does. and in sixty years in San Diego , the Chargers made exactly one Super Bowl appearance, only to get buzzsawed by an all time worthy 49'ers club.
 
LilKitKat said:
well, for those smaller market teams or even larger market but just dont spend...not much I can say...its not like the Dodgers rake in all the money and dont spend. They spend TONS. So they give back to the fans what they take in from tix, beers, merch etc.
Some teams dont spend at all and instead those owners just line their pockets.
Every owner/team makes TONS...no they dont have an Ohtani or Judge or Tatis or Seager or Alvarez or Soto or Skenes to market maybe, and we all know KC, Pittsburgh, Milwaukee etc isnt NY/Miami/Chicago/LA but still.
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I agree with this. Smaller market teams get massive revenue sharing money which they are not forced to spend on players. Which most don't, they just pocket that money. My only issue with the Dodgers, is the Ohtani contract is bullshit. They "pay" him 70 million a year, but defer 68 million. I have zero issue with the deferral. My issue, is the 70 million should be the number against the luxury tax. Loopholes aren't good for fair competition.
 
Belegon said:
I'm well aware of the Mariners struggles. Remember, we share a spring training facility. And I have my doubts as to whether San Diego will ever get another NBA club. Before we had the Clippers for a few years, we had the Rockets (Pre- Houston). But the one that really hurt me was Dean Spanos moving the Chargers. His father is probably still cursing Dean from the grave, as Alex Spanos had repeatedly said the Chargers were always going to be the San Diego Chargers. And while we have two world series appearances, the Padres have just as many actual Titles as your club does. and in sixty years in San Diego , the Chargers made exactly one Super Bowl appearance, only to get buzzsawed by an all time worthy 49'ers club.
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I didn't know SD had more than one basketball team. I don't follow basketball at all so I don't know team histories.

I think I remembered the Chargers being the San Diego Chargers at one point, but i don't remember if that was an actual memory, or a factoid I learned and squirreled away. If their Super Bowl loss to the Niners was during the Joe Montana dynasty then I probably watched it.

If the Padres made the Series, then they at least have a couple of Pennants. That's more than a team that won 116 games and lost in the ALDS.
 
Belegon said:
just gonna make the point that for the first 50 years of my Padre fandom, there's no way my team would have been on that list. It took an owner who knew he was dying of cancer and was willing to go balls to the wall spending because he knew he couldn't take it with him for us to get on that list. we're staying on it because the team sells out regularly and the expectation has been set. But we also have essentially no local cable money, which is where the Yanks and Dodgers so far out perform other teams on an income basis. I agree with Kit in that at least the Dodgers are spending that money, which is great for their fans.

The Padres are basically a small market team. we are bordered by Mexico, an ocean, a desert and after Camp Pendleton, Dodger and Angel areas. so despite the population of San Diego itself, on a media market basis, the Padres are small market. As an example of that, I would cite the NFL team, and the two NBA franchises that moved out of San Diego largely in search of greater revenue streams not related to actual ticket sales. If it weren't for Ray Kroc, the Padres also would have moved back in 1973.
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San Diego is small market in that they are only the 8th largest city in the USA
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but yes, in the mainstream mind, you think of LA/NY/Chicago/Boston/Miami/Dallas/Houston/Phily/Minneapolis/Denver/Seattle/SF/NOLA/DC/Phoenix and some other cities first, maybe because of sports, or maybe because of the news (politics, disasters, whatever)...

As an Angeleno, you can have the Chargers back and take the Clippers back too.
 
ZfrkS62 said:
You want to try small market, try being a Mariners fan. Our closest competition are the Athletics (thanks to their shit bag owner, there even closer for the next couple of years, playing out of Sacramento). The only out of state fans we have are in Idaho, Montana, and Alaska.

We're the only team to have never made it to the World Series. The rate they're going, the Kraken will have a cup before the Ms even win the division again. Hell, we'll probably have a new NBA team and they'll get to the finals before the Ms reach the Series.
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Portland would be great for baseball and a good rivalry with Seattle. The Expos were going to move there before moving to DC. Maybe the As will.
 
8inthebox said:
I agree with this. Smaller market teams get massive revenue sharing money which they are not forced to spend on players. Which most don't, they just pocket that money. My only issue with the Dodgers, is the Ohtani contract is bullshit. They "pay" him 70 million a year, but defer 68 million. I have zero issue with the deferral. My issue, is the 70 million should be the number against the luxury tax. Loopholes aren't good for fair competition.
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Blame the player or his agent or even MLB, not the team
 
Lots of great players in Seattle and San Diego's history, but with no titles to show for it all, its sometimes a conundrum on how to view the franchises I suppose
 
Utmale48 said:
I also heard they may be going to salt lake. But that seems far fetched.
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I would suspect SLC would have less baseball fans than Portland...but who knows? All I know is tons of Californians have moved to Portland, and Portland is full of fans that root for Seattle, SF, and LA.
And for football its all Seahawks and Niners fans there too.

Side note: I think of the Chargers as SD still.
 
LilKitKat said:
Blame the player or his agent or even MLB, not the team
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I agree. I don't blame the player or the agent (although, I don't truly know what the tax implications are, if he doesn't pay US taxes on that 68 million when it kicks in, I'll feel differently). And you're right about that, I blame the Dodgers much less than MLB. They're simply exploiting a loophole. I just feel that the game is already lopsided with the haves and have nots, don't make it easier for the haves.
 
LilKitKat said:
I would suspect SLC would have less baseball fans than Portland...but who knows? All I know is tons of Californians have moved to Portland, and Portland is full of fans that root for Seattle, SF, and LA.
And for football its all Seahawks and Niners fans there too.

Side note: I think of the Chargers as SD still.
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I would think that too about the fans. I also think of the chargers in San Diego. Probably always will.
 
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