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I was waiting to see when someone would post that. LOL.
What percentage of white women fantasize about being with a black man
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Have you read the whole thread to understand why the BBC and Bull myths are harmful? Or are you just dismissing them without at least trying to better understand?
And no one is trying to attach racism to "everything" - that's a deflection.
But the BBC, Bull and Blacking myths? Yeah, they're racist AND toxic. ..Sorry you don't see it.
It's not the "desire to attach 'racism' to everything" that is causing so much division, it's people who stubbornly refuse to acknowledge racism where it exists that are...
You may see no harm in perpetuating the fallacy that black men have dicks that are 2" longer than other races, but to the 97% of young black men who end up feeling inadequate because it's not 2" longer, it's harmful. Likewise, it's harmful to instill this idea in young black men that all white women, no matter their relationship status, crave having sex with them.
Please, if you haven't read the whole thread do so... then comment.
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KatieDoes
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If you’re going to make idiotic posts like this one, you might prefer to do it while replying to someone who won’t call you out for being a fucking idiot. Not me.
KatieDoes
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Fetishizing someone for their race is quite literally racism.
I promise that acknowledging racists things are racist is not the reason we ‘have so much division’. You don’t need to be so fragile and defensive when you don’t understand something. You’re free to read and learn instead of pouting.
Who is labeling every nuanced opinion as racism? Who? ..And is that your idea of a nuanced opinion? And who is shutting down meaningful dialogue? I think your last comment does that more than anything else I've read in this thread.
Please, for the sake having "an open, productive conversation" go back and read from the beginning of the thread...then give your opinion.
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When I fantasize about a sexual partner I create an image in my mind of many aspects of that person including, but not limited to, physical features. And I enjoy variety so I fantasize about a wide range of potential sexual partners. It stands to reason that some of them might be black just as some are from other racial or cultural backgrounds.
My guess is that most women who fantasize create an image in their minds and enjoy variety (at least over time). So, it stands to reason that most of us have fantasized about black men.
It is a little like saying have most women fantasized about a handsome latin lover. Uh duh, ya. That doesn't imply any racial preference. It just implies that we can envisage a suave latin man making for a passionate sexual partner.
As long as it is my fantasy I will attach whatever preferred physical features I like to him. But I am grown up enough not to think that reflects reality or any kind of silly racial stereotype.
My guess is that most women who fantasize create an image in their minds and enjoy variety (at least over time). So, it stands to reason that most of us have fantasized about black men.
It is a little like saying have most women fantasized about a handsome latin lover. Uh duh, ya. That doesn't imply any racial preference. It just implies that we can envisage a suave latin man making for a passionate sexual partner.
As long as it is my fantasy I will attach whatever preferred physical features I like to him. But I am grown up enough not to think that reflects reality or any kind of silly racial stereotype.
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policywank
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I find it interesting how the hung black man myth/stereotype evokes such strong reactions. We know that virtually everything we see in porn is nonsense and surely not representative of real life. Why would we give any more credence to this particular nonsense? Maybe because it is perpetuated more broadly in society for reasons that are far more complex.
And to the extent that a white woman does find a particular black man sexually attractive why in the world would we want one that is a caricature of all of the worst negative stereotypes about black men. I don't know about other women but if I am going to choose a black man to fantasize about it is going to be a Denzel or an Idris, not a thug out of central casting.
And to the extent that a white woman does find a particular black man sexually attractive why in the world would we want one that is a caricature of all of the worst negative stereotypes about black men. I don't know about other women but if I am going to choose a black man to fantasize about it is going to be a Denzel or an Idris, not a thug out of central casting.
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@policywank
No one is calling people out for merely being attracted to black men as they would be attracted to man of any other race or ethnicity. Or because they find the aesthetic contrast of black and white skin intertwining during sex to be appealing (still kinda racist - but whatever).
It's the exploitation in countless posts on several threads here on Lit of the stereotype of black men having huge dicks and being hypersexual brutes, especially when having sex with white women. And it's the accompanying myth that all (or most) white women - despite their relationship status - crave being with black men because of their dick size and their rough manner. If you don’t think those stereotypes are central to those threads and posts, I would strongly disagree. And if you don't think those stereotypes are harmful, I’m surprised because you seem otherwise quite enlightened in so many of your other posts..
Yes, you are free to embrace whatever kinky stereotypes you wish - that's your right. But it's other peoples' right to call those kinks racist.
You mention Denzel and Idris. Well, it's relevant to point out that if not for their fame they probably couldn’t get a job in porn unless their dicks were at least bigger than the average white performer. Good looks, charisma, and great acting isn't enough for a black man to get a job in porn unless he also has an enormous cock. Again, this is a fact that bothers me, but apparently passes without judgment by many others.
No one is calling people out for merely being attracted to black men as they would be attracted to man of any other race or ethnicity. Or because they find the aesthetic contrast of black and white skin intertwining during sex to be appealing (still kinda racist - but whatever).
It's the exploitation in countless posts on several threads here on Lit of the stereotype of black men having huge dicks and being hypersexual brutes, especially when having sex with white women. And it's the accompanying myth that all (or most) white women - despite their relationship status - crave being with black men because of their dick size and their rough manner. If you don’t think those stereotypes are central to those threads and posts, I would strongly disagree. And if you don't think those stereotypes are harmful, I’m surprised because you seem otherwise quite enlightened in so many of your other posts..
Yes, you are free to embrace whatever kinky stereotypes you wish - that's your right. But it's other peoples' right to call those kinks racist.
You mention Denzel and Idris. Well, it's relevant to point out that if not for their fame they probably couldn’t get a job in porn unless their dicks were at least bigger than the average white performer. Good looks, charisma, and great acting isn't enough for a black man to get a job in porn unless he also has an enormous cock. Again, this is a fact that bothers me, but apparently passes without judgment by many others.
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I've got the impression from what appear to be amateur hotwife groupsex vids that Black men are more likely to respect a woman, go down on her and be attentive to her pleasure than white men in the same situation. The vids in which the Black men are thugs seem to be the professional ones that I don't watch (or only watch for the few seconds for the racism and mysogyny become apparent).
Obviously this is just an impression from utterly unrealistic samples but maybe there is an element of truth, perhaps.
Another observation is that in a thread where stereotyping is an obvious issue it seems that there is an assumption that the "white women" and "black men" are all from North America. Obviously that is reasonable given the forum membership but it does give an interesting slant on how unconscious beliefs work.
Obviously this is just an impression from utterly unrealistic samples but maybe there is an element of truth, perhaps.
Another observation is that in a thread where stereotyping is an obvious issue it seems that there is an assumption that the "white women" and "black men" are all from North America. Obviously that is reasonable given the forum membership but it does give an interesting slant on how unconscious beliefs work.
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The hypersexual black bull trope was created like most things, as a way for wealthy white men to hold power. They couldn’t have poor white folks getting friendly with enslaved black folks. They might realize that having slaves forced to labor for free is bad for everyone except the enslavers.
So, they told poor white folks that those black men had to be held down, otherwise they would rape your women. They convinced them that black men were hypersexual animals, just waiting for any chance to jump on your sweet white wife or daughter and attack them. It was a tool, and it was intentionally used to make white men afraid of black men taking their women by force.
( these wealthy white men absolutely did NOT care about the safety of women, for the record. They just thought that white women were THEIRS to rape and abuse, so they got mad when non white men would do it. Just like today, when they tell us that immigrants are a threat to women, but they don’t give a shit about the danger women face from non immigrant men)
The trope is racist, and dangerous. Fetishizing someone for their race is racist and dangerous. Being attracted to someone who happens to be black is not necessarily fetishizing someone for their race.
The danger is much more insidious than just hurting the feelings of young black men who don’t have big dicks. It’s in hundreds of prison cells and graves holding black men who were placed there on nothing more than the tearful accusations of white women. It’s in the bias that lets people assume that black men are all just waiting for their chance to sexually abuse white women.
I don’t need a sociology degree, I just need to be able to read and not be too fragile to understand, even though the comment suggesting that I fuck myself with it seems to be gone
FistfulOfMyHair
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https://headgum.com/girls-on-porn/bbc-with-andy-lucien
This podcast brought up some interesting points. I don’t imagine it would be that fun to be a black man with an average or below average size penis and have people expecting the stereotype.
This podcast brought up some interesting points. I don’t imagine it would be that fun to be a black man with an average or below average size penis and have people expecting the stereotype.
Absolutely and well said @KatieDoes. Though I would argue that the impact of the 'bigger dicks' trope goes well way beyond just hurting young black men's feelings. It can lead to millions and millions of young men suffering from body dysmorphia which can lead to toxic behaviors and other sorts of tumult.
The podcast referenced by @FistfulOfMyHair is interesting - at least the first 20 mins. I quit listening b/c I don't have a subscription and got tired of having to restart it every 5 minutes. But the points that you and I (and sadly, only a few others) make are reinforced quickly and repeatedly. Which is: IR Porn (a misnomer if ever there was b/c it's almost always Black Males w/ White or Asian Women) is extremely problematic. And nearly every step of the production chain from casting, writing, and websites is controlled/ owned by white men. Ugh.. And nearly every film produced exploits fear-based stereotypes.
In the Podcast, they reference this interesting article. It's hard imagining anyone w/ a brain reading it and NOT coming away affected by it.
What 'Interracial' Cuckhold Porn Reveals About White Male Insecurity
By Zoé Samudzi
Here's a quote:
"The interracial cuckolding genre breathes life into the truism that some kind of sexual attraction, openly acknowledged or not, is often a component of racial contempt. And the genre’s Black thug–filled storylines make clear that this attraction is not simply sexual desire, but an evocation and fetishism of historically racist tropes that allow for a contained witnessing of Black male sexual prowess that white men simultaneously loathe, fear, and envy."
It's an interesting read. Not that I expect many here will.
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policywank
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I never said anyone was calling people out for being attracted to black men. I'm not sure how you read that from my comments. All I said is that finding a man attractive who happens to be black is quite a different matter from buying into and promoting racist tropes. Moreover I find it odd that while reasonable people know what we see in porn is nonsense we somehow seem to have ascribed some unfounded credibility to silly and harmful black male stereotypes.
As for Denzel or Idris I think I am saying the same thing you are saying. I see them as handsome men who happen to be black. I am not making any assumptions about what is in there pants. Meanwhile the portrayal of black men in porn who are defined by their cock size and otherwise represent a negative stereotype I find to be generally unappealing (and often racist).
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If someone is drawn to and enjoys clips where the man's "blackness" is not merely incidental but is the primary thrill of the clip, it's hard understanding how that's not buying into or promoting racist tropes.
Can I conclude that someone is a racist for enjoying BBC/ Bull porn? Well, they certainly may be. At minimum, they are lacking in sensitivity around the subject.
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KatieDoes
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Go read her posts again. She’s never done any of those things. She literally said that porn was full of racist tropes and that made it unappealing to her.
Anyone listen to the Podcast (I did finish it) or read the article? Change any minds? Thoughts?
@policywank ?
@policywank ?
What about the “BBC experience” is she expecting to be so different?
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it’s a perfect gift to give one’s wife her first. No need to dream any more.
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We play with a few in our swingers group. Her favorite is muscular, fully shaved including his head and his wife is a dream and co-worker. Most of us are in the medical profession. Color isn't the issue, the fun is
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Waiter519123
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You’re a good wife and mother. Your husband must be a good man
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Yes, exactly. Sex should NOT be a color issue. You nailed it.
And since BBC clearly makes the mans color the CENTRAL issue, it is quite obviously racist.
Why is this hard for people to understand? The fact that Big Black Cock sounds like a compliment doesn't make it less racist.
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Hard to say what the actual percentage is. Most of the "BBC" stuff was pushed by the porn industry, but it burned out fast. In fact, PornHub's 2024 list has BBC at #22 on its most searched list. What's disturbing is that Trans comes out at 20.
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