SHOCK REPORT! U.S. Government in Possession of several UFOs (Intact and Partially Intact)

[VinnyVeritas]

All we have from your side of the debate is rhetoric and "you have to trust me, it's there."

Someone would have come up with at least a purloined picture by now.
No security in the history of man has ever been that airtight.

There's always an inside guy. We'll always have Lufthansa...

 

[drusus]

Exactly the point. If there is some cabal inside or adjacent to the U.S. government that is with holding technology beneficial to the tax paying public it should be subject to oversight by our elected representatives. That's why members of both houses of congress of both parties are investigating.

Finally. After pages of lights in the sky, fuzzy videos, multiple dimensions, time travel, weird notions of locking up pilots, and endless fanboying of the military; it's the same old conspiracy theory. Captured spaceships, secret hangars, and a brave band of heroes, ready to expose them to the world.

Got to ask what the point would be, given they've had these spaceships for over 70 years and have done nothing with them. No new technology. No new science. Little more than a big storage locker. Hundreds of people would have to be involved and yet no one has said a word about it.

Your aliens seem very passive about it. Humans walk off with their spaceships and they just accept it, without so much as a single blast from a space laser.

the rights of citizens to know how their tax dollars are spent.

That's your biggest thing about this? A chance to discover the secrets of the universe, and you want to send in a group of accountants for an audit? Bet you're the life and soul of those UFO conventions.

 

[butters]

Finally. After pages of lights in the sky, fuzzy videos, multiple dimensions, time travel, weird notions of locking up pilots, and endless fanboying of the military; it's the same old conspiracy theory. Captured spaceships, secret hangars, and a brave band of heroes, ready to expose them to the world.

Got to ask what the point would be, given they've had these spaceships for over 70 years and have done nothing with them. No new technology. No new science. Little more than a big storage locker. Hundreds of people would have to be involved and yet no one has said a word about it.

Your aliens seem very passive about it. Humans walk off with their spaceships and they just accept it, without so much as a single blast from a space laser.


That's your biggest thing about this? A chance to discover the secrets of the universe, and you want to send in a group of accountants for an audit? Bet you're the life and soul of those UFO conventions.

people get so invested in something they are psychologically unable, or are extremely unwilling, to let it go.

and the thing is, i've seen things and i'd love to know what they were. definitely UFOs but that isn't to say they were alien in origin...and if they were, it'd be great to hear about. Having said that, to dismiss the best information disseminated by the best agencies in order to further one's need to "believe" is small-minded.

This whole operation is about declassifying and releasing material that should have already been released to the public or outgrew its classification levels ages ago. Since this is the case, the fact that it's a bipartisan effort is totally understandable and welcome!

Kirkpatrick's been quite clear on the fact there are some objects/evidence yet to be identified if they ever will be, but the more there is reported of the same types of UAP the more likely the analysts WILL be able to discover what is what. He's also clear that, for now, the evidence AARO are studying come with multiple signals of existence, such as radar confirmation matching a sighting, video evidence corroborating eye-witness accounts, since these are the ones causing problems in the skies for aeronauts and have to be evaluated as potential national security threats. He made it clear back in April that AARO is organising the sharing of information between branches of the military and are making it easier for the public to report their own sightings without being stigmatised for doing so, and the investigations and discoveries are ongoing.

 

[BluesDriver66]

The testimony will be historic.

People MURDERED To 'Protect' UFO Secret Programs, David Grusch Prepared To Testify: Ross Coulthart

Journalist and author of "In Plain Sight" Ross Coulthart talks about the upcoming testimony David Grusch will give in House hearing on UAPs

 

[butters]

in caps, even!

 

[butters]

not a lot being mentioned by anyone here about these bipartisan 'pushes for information' also come about right as defense budgets are being determined

 

[butters]

for anyone wondering about Grusch's involvement:

Grusch has made claims. He may be telling the truth. But he has provided no evidence other than him saying he saw things and knows things. And the plural of anecdotes isn't data.

The first question I asked myself is: What is the motivation of the communicator sharing this information? Why are they sharing it? Do they have training or expertise? Could they have a bias?”

“And who benefits if we don’t apply a rigorous, systematic scientific approach to the claims?”

Finucane said other important questions about new claims are whether they’re “transparent” — arising from a public data set that scientists can double-check — and whether they stem from sufficiently “independent” sources to rule out the risk of cross-contamination — or collusion — which could make claims less credible.

On almost every front except, possibly, the question of personal credibility, Grusch’s and the Pentagon’s accounts offer the same scientific problems inherent to anecdotes or isolated reports, scientists told The Hill.

“There’s nothing hard there,” said David Spergel, an astrophysicist and the head of NASA’s internal advisory team on UAP.

Gruch’s claims, Spergel said, offer “no locations, no sites. It’s reports of reports.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/space/...-that-pentagon-has-evidence-of-alien-crashes/

 

[BluesDriver66]

More expert analysis of the situation from reliable sources.

Getting to the bottom of the UAP/UFO whistleblower story​

According to a former high-level member of the American intelligence apparatus, the United States government has been secretly recovering debris and even entire intact spacecraft of “non-human origin” for decades. These efforts, shrouded within the Pentagon’s most secretive Special Access Programs, have long sought to achieve a technical advantage over America’s adversaries, who the same former official claims have secret crash retrieval programs of their own."We’re definitely not alone," he said. "The data points, quite empirically that we’re not alone."

 

[BluesDriver66]

for anyone wondering about Grusch's involvement:

Grusch has made claims. He may be telling the truth. But he has provided no evidence other than him saying he saw things and knows things. And the plural of anecdotes isn't data.







https://thehill.com/homenews/space/...-that-pentagon-has-evidence-of-alien-crashes/

For the sake of argument let's say what Grusch is saying is true. Would you want this ground breaking historical information to come out under a Democratic administration or a Republican one? Because let me tell if this is the real deal and the Republicans take credit for revealing the most Earth shattering news since the resurrection of Jesus they will never let it go.

Whatever idiot they nominate will be elevated to the level of Washington and Lincoln, have his/her name associated with the most important events in the 21st century, and have their image on everything from the money in your pocket to their face on Mt. Rushmore. Republicans will be known as the party of truth and disclosure leverage that for decades. If Democrats fall asleep at the switch and hand this historical event over to the Republican party it will devastate them until the turn of the next century.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

For the sake of argument let's say what Grusch is saying is true. Would you want this ground breaking historical information to come out under a Democratic administration or a Republican one? Because let me tell if this is the real deal and the Republicans take credit for revealing the most Earth shattering news since the resurrection of Jesus they will never let it go.

Whatever idiot they nominate will be elevated to the level of Washington and Lincoln, have his/her name associated with the most important events in the 21st century, and have their image on everything from the money in your pocket to their face on Mt. Rushmore. Republicans will be known as the party of truth and disclosure leverage that for decades. If Democrats fall asleep at the switch and hand this historical event over to the Republican party it will devastate them until the turn of the next century.

That's an good argument that the U.S. government has NEVER has had ANY evidence of extraterrestrials visiting earth over the last 70 years.

 

[BluesDriver66]

That's an good argument that the U.S. government has NEVER has had ANY evidence of extraterrestrials visiting earth over the last 70 years.

This comment will not age well. Hopefully not under the President Ted Cruz Administration.

 

[butters]

i knew a cabalist, once...

oh, wait, that was a cabbie. my bad.

 

[butters]

"Do you have any personal knowledge of people who have been harmed or injured in efforts to cover-up or conceal these extra-terrestrial technologies," Mr Burchett asked.

"Yes," Mr Grush replied. "Personally."

Mr Burchett then asked "has anyone been murdered?"

Mr Grusch hesitated for a moment before saying "I have to be careful asking [sic] that question," he said, citing a current investigation into whether or not he was the subject of retaliatory action for whistleblowing. "I directed people with that knowledge to the appropriate authorities."

Later, when Congressman Jamie Raskin asked him about retaliation, Mr Grusch said he was aware of "active planned reprisal" coming from "leadership at my previous organisation."

He referred to the alleged intimidation as "administrative terrorism."

Mr Grusch has not provided concrete evidence for any of his claims.

i am not calling this witness a liar. but without evidence to corroborate his claims, they do not count as any kind of evidence. As the astrophysicist said, just reports of reports.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...p&cvid=e6b6a62a38db44aca5b1acfaf08bb35a&ei=23

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/h...p&cvid=d27cd7751392437b8f51b5fa89ffa0d5&ei=26

The House Oversight subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs heard testimony from three witnesses: David Grusch, a former U.S. intelligence official; David Fravor, a former Navy commander; and Ryan Graves, a former Navy pilot. Graves and Fravor both claim to have spotted UAPs. Grusch said he has not personally seen UAPs, but claimed he was informed of a “multi-decade” government UAP retrieval program.

so not only has Grusch not personally seen UAPs, he was only 'informed of' a gov't retrieval programme

let's face it, any government operating in normality will have programmes to retrieve any objects hitting the earth: everything from meteorites to debris from aircraft, test weaponry/craft, space debris from launchings or smashed/failed satellites. And of course there will be some of those that will be reported in as UAPs/UFOs before they can be identified.

 

[BluesDriver66]

'NON-HUMAN BIOLOGICS' Recovered Says UFO Whistleblower David Grusch At Hearing​

 

[butters]

grusch is saying a lot of things but has no evidence to offer. not exactly blowing my head off stuff.

 

[butters]

The statement that got everyone's attention was when Representative Nancy Mace asked if the government had retrieved bodies from the supposed UFO crashes. Grusch responded that "biologics" were retrieved that were "non-human." This raised more questions than answers, as he doesn't specifically say that the biologics were from the pilot of the unknown craft.

Biologics means a wide range of things, as it could simply be a dead animal coincidently found near the crash site. He then notes that he has not seen any of the biologics allegedly recovered from the site. Instead, he claims his information came from second-hand assessments from people on the supposed program responsible for the recovery.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...&cvid=45d62cf6bb1543db8d8bf570d615ac94&ei=265

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...&cvid=45d62cf6bb1543db8d8bf570d615ac94&ei=265

so, as yet i am remarkably unshocked and my head's still firmly attached:

Ryan Graves, a Navy pilot attending the hearing as a witness, made another shocking statement. The pilot explained that his squadron encountered flying vehicles that could remain stationary in the air despite high wind speeds. "Sightings of UAPs in our airspace are not rare, but they are grossly under-reported," Graves alleged. He then said that around 95 percent of UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) sightings go unreported. He argued that this is due to fear that reporting on a sighting could negatively affect the pilot on psychological exams.

he also said that the 5% stat he believes are reported is 'just a personal estimate' of his own.
i can fully understand the reluctance to report, and that's what these hearings are meant to help counter by opening up the ways and means to report without stigma. also, as i've mentioned before, i have seen things...and half of my neighbours, about 10 of us, stood watching, even looking through binoculars. None of us bothered reporting. I can't speak for the others but it was just one more event in a fairly common string and have no idea if it was "alien" or not. As for the colour changes, i believe it's been shown the coating on binocular lenses can lend itself to that appearance. So, in other words, he may be entirely correct in his estimate or way off the mark. Right now, there's no way of telling and so nothing concrete can be assumed from his words on this particular estimate.

The committee also questioned Navy pilot David Fravor. He was asked about his now-viral 2004 video of the seemingly unnatural UAP sighting. Fravor affirmed that the video was legitimate and that the craft "appeared to respond in a way that we [pilots] didn't recognize." Although Fravor, like anyone who has seen the video, can't prove it is an extra-terrestrial sitting[sic]. It could very well be a government-contracted vehicle or tech from foreign countries, as many have argued.

so, yeah, nothing new yet.

all i can hope is that this does pave the way to making it easier to report and quicker to weed out the crazies while the additional data helps identify these anomalies for what they actually are.

 

[butters]

To the casual passerby, Nasa scientists gingerly examining a flying saucer-shaped object in the desert may be a cause for questions.

However, the team behind Nasa’s OSIRIS-REx mission are simply preparing for a manmade object to return to Earth.

Mission members have this month been rehearsing recovering a mock sample return capsule from the location where the real one will land – along with fragments of asteroid Bennu – on 24 September.

If everything goes according to plan, OSIRIS-REx’s sample return capsule will separate from the spacecraft, enter the atmosphere and parachute safely to the Utah desert for recovery.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...p&cvid=9ec008f5035447d3b24d17239b2ee6b1&ei=29

 

[butters]

this is why she's worth the money:

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) got directly to the point with her allotted five minutes of question time by asking practical questions about what to look for and where to find proof of the witnesses claims. AOC wanted to know what loopholes were being utilized in the law that allowed this to go unnoticed, what data should be prioritized for the new All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (ARRO), and how independent contractors were interacting with the UAP related government programs.

Perhaps the most interesting question was the one she ended her time with: “If you were me, where would you look?” Which seems one of the most practical questions that could be asked during the testimony. Her intent seemed clear and full of open sincerity, essentially saying if they tell her where to look she will do so. Due to classification levels the answer was not permitted in a public hearing, but was promised to her in a closed environment in accordance with policy.

The recent legislature put forth by Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer would require all proof and documentation to be turned over for review, but if elected officials know where to go to find proof of alien extraterrestrials and UFOs there probably isn’t anything stopping them from taking a group field trip to check it out. The idea of all of congress showing up together at a secret government facility to see aliens sounds like a good time.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/tech...1&cvid=3bccead109de484c91525a600570ff45&ei=39

 

[Bray123]

2022, 'There's a spy balloon flying over the Pacific coast, China is photographing Disneyland. Shoot it down!'
2023, 'There are bits of a flying object found in Anaheim, they must have come from a galaxy far, far away!

Wibble wibble.

 

[butters]

while not the same thing, the Bermuda Triangle seems to have done a disappearing act of its own...or was it even a thing?

And then there’s plain old bad luck, fueled by vessels that can’t stand up to the violent ocean.That’s the theory that Australian scientist Dr. Karl Kruzelnicki, a.k.a. Dr. Karl, a science program host who apparently counts Margot Robbie as a fan, would go with. Since 2017, his explanation for the Bermuda Triangle has been… that there isn’t one. Dr. Karl contends that there’s, in fact, nothing unusual about the Triangle’s tally of downed ships and planes. “According to [maritime insurer] Lloyd’s of London and the US Coastguard [sic], the number that go missing in the Bermuda Triangle is the same as anywhere in the world on a percentage basis,” the Independent reports he told news.com.au.

The doctor might have a point. As his reference to Lloyd’s of London suggests, it doesn’t cost more to insure a vessel embarking on a voyage through the Bermuda Triangle. And besides, how do we explain the countless water and aircrafts that have successfully crossed the heavily-trafficked part of the ocean without disappearing?

On top of it all, some ships thought to be lost forever have actually been recovered. Like the SS Cotopaxi, which set sail from Charleston, South Carolina on November 19, 1925, destined for Havana, Cuba. The steamship got caught up in a storm and succumbed to the Triangle, killing all 32 on board. Its legend was so renowned that it made a cameo in Steven Spielberg’s 1977 sci-fi classic Close Encounters of the Third Kind, turning up shipwrecked across the world in the Gobi Desert, a feat that could only be explained by alien occurrences. But the real truth is much more human than that: Almost 100 years after it went missing, the ship’s remains were identified 35 miles off the shores of St. Augustine, Florida in an area known as the Bear Wreck. The discovery was featured in a 2020 episode of the Science Channel’s Shipwreck Secrets series.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...p&cvid=47e89cc9b96e40719e0548f4048fb2a0&ei=16

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...31&cvid=f809a8508e5541a2910976aac1b19afc&ei=4

During the hearing titled “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Implications on National Security, Public Safety, and Government Transparency,” Grusch doubled down on his claims and made numerous other allegations related to UFOs and aliens.

Among those claims made by Grush was an allegation that there are secret black programs inside the United States government which conducted unsanctioned technological research related to UFOs. These programs, he said, are funded without the knowledge of Congress.

Dr. Kirkpatrick had some things of his own to say:

 

[Comshaw]

The United States government has been lying to you for years. UFOs are real. Not swamp gas. Not Chinese lanterns. Not the planet Venus but honest to God flying saucers from outer space. Alien technology from another world. This is the biggest story since the discovery of fire. The ramifications are immense. There are lots of questions that need answering starting with:

1. Who are they?
2. Where are they from?
3. What do they want?

There is also that thing that we are no longer the dominant species on this planet. We could be slaves, pets, or cattle destined for the slaughter house. This is a complete game changer for our place in the universe and whether or not we can even consider ourselves the owners/operators of Earth.

​

Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin​

A former intelligence official turned whistleblower has given Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin.

Other intelligence officials, both active and retired, with knowledge of these programs through their work in various agencies, have independently provided similar, corroborating information, both on and off the record.

Grusch said the recoveries of partial fragments through and up to intact vehicles have been made for decades through the present day by the government, its allies, and defense contractors. Analysis has determined that the objects retrieved are “of exotic origin (non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin) based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures,” he said.

“We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities,” Grusch said, referencing information he provided Congress and the current ICIG. “The material includes intact and partially intact vehicles.”

https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/

The problem I have with this:
I believe we aren't alone in the universe. And maybe they have been by to check us out. The majority of UFOs (I am still going to use the original term and fuck a bunch of UAPs) were detected after WWII. If someone was looking and saw the atomic bomb go off it isn't any surprise they would come to check it out to see what was going on.

But here's where I have a problem, this alien species (or multiples thereof) can do interstellar travel in a very short time span, avoid all the hazards associated with it and then crash their fucking craft into the ground when they get here? WTF??? I'm sorry but I'm not buying that kind of fantasy thinking. When they drag the parts out for display, then I'll believe some alien intelligence who can make their way here were too fucking dumb to keep from crashing their craft.

Sorry, ain't gonna buy it until it's in front of me.

Comshaw

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...1&cvid=622a5661d6b04c64cce28360029733e5&ei=33



nothing familiar about the shape of this, eh? all those reported flying triangles...

Here Comes the B-21 Raider: Late last year, the U.S. Air Force rolled out its B-21 Raider stealth bomber for the first time, showing a select group of attendees the ultraclassified warplane.

The Raider represents an update to the quarter-century-old B-2 Spirit flying wing, but it will be bought in sufficient numbers to replace much of the current inventory, including not just the B-2 but the non-stealthy B-1B Bone. Despite the pomp, though, the Air Force went to extreme lengths not to give away too much about the design.