For Those Who Might Be Wondering Why We Might Be In Ukraine

That is not true. My position is, it's time for Joe Biden and Ukraine to face reality. Unless we, NATO/US are ready for a ground war with Russia it's time to negotiate, which should have happened in the beginning before the country was destroyed and tens of thousands were needlessly killed. It's stupid to think the Russians are going to pack up and go home at this point. This is their southern border region we are talking about. I'll tell you right now, we'll be lucky if we can even get the Russians to negotiate at this point. They may decide to go all the way to the Polish border. They are building a big enough force to do it as well. Bigger than we can muster at the present. All of this because of some fat bitch in the State department, her deep state cronies, and Blackrock could bring down the Russian government and exploit the wealth of Ukraine.
Lol, yes, you want Ukraine to capitulate and you want Biden to make them do it.

And yet somehow you believe you're saying something different.
 
Ukraine continues to get bang for the buck and ironically Biden is still eating ice cream in the White House.


That was money well spent. It's kind of hard to find a politician who stays bribed.

Then again, if it was pure extortion...
 
"Money well spent" is the whole point of the US involvement in Ukraine.

With the end of the last 20 year war, we can't have our defense industry sitting around with nothing to do and no money coming in. There's always the next conflict to bolster the quarterly reports.
 
After reading history, one quickly realizes that there will never be a time when the Defense Industry is stranded with nothing to do. There's always going to be customers.
 
After reading history, one quickly realizes that there will never be a time when the Defense Industry is stranded with nothing to do. There's always going to be customers.
It's a vicious circle. The defense industry and the war-mongering elite support each other. A congressman votes for a big defense bill and the defense industry rewards him with a contribution to his campaign fund in order to further the political arrangement. The cycle continues and it's off to the next live fire testing operation somewhere in the world.
 
I think it's just as viable to say that Zelensky might have some of the blame when he decided to discriminate against his Russian-speaking citizens in the Donbas.
The Russian supporters who have been attacking the country since 2014?

Right.

Zelensky is not responsible for something that Putin initiated.
 
The Russian supporters who have been attacking the country since 2014?

Right.

Zelensky is not responsible for something that Putin initiated.
No Zelensky was attacking both provinces that were full of Russians in 2014. More than 14,000 people had died there before the present campaign even began. Why did Barack Obama assume we had no strategic national interest there when Putin invaded in 2014?
 
No Zelensky was attacking both provinces that were full of Russians in 2014. More than 14,000 people had died there before the present campaign even began. Why did Barack Obama assume we had no strategic national interest there when Putin invaded in 2014?
No, he wasnt. He wasn't in office in 2014.

Obama was incorrect in 2014.
 
No, he wasnt. He wasn't in office in 2014.

Obama was incorrect in 2014.
You're right I meant to say "Yanukovych," the other crook. But the facts are the facts about what was going on at the time.
I hate to say this but Obama was correct in assessing our national security interest on 2014.

Just like we intervened to end foreign involvement in Cuba and in Mexico, Putin is not going to allow Nato on his southern border. it's common sense. We need to get our noses out of everyone else's business.
 
You're right I meant to say "Yanukovych," the other crook. But the facts are the facts about what was going on at the time.
I hate to say this but Obama was correct in assessing our national security interest on 2014.
You obviously don't hate to say it.

Just like we intervened to end foreign involvement in Cuba and in Mexico, Putin is not going to allow Nato on his southern border. it's common sense. We need to get our noses out of everyone else's business.
Whether Putin does or does not want to allow NATO to do things is irrelevant to NATO. His actions are criminal. We are a part of NATO and anything impacting NATO also impacts us.
 
Here's who is behind the war in Ukraine. Time to exploit and rebuild a more inclusive society with globalist values:

Wall Street Windfall: BlackRock Tapped to Rebuild Ukraine’s Economy​

JOHN BINDER21 Jun 2023

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is tapping Wall Street firms like BlackRock and JPMorgan to help garner private and public investments to rebuild Ukraine amid its war with Russia.

Wall Street’s involvement in helping to rebuild Ukraine comes as journalist James O’Keefe published footage of BlackRock employee Serge Varlay saying the country’s war with Russia is “good for business”

“I’ll give an example: Russia blows up Ukraine’s grain silos. The price of wheat is gonna go mad up … the Ukrainian economy is tied very largely to the wheat market, global wheat market,” Varlay said. “Prices of bread, you know, literally everything goes up and down. This is fantastic if you’re trading.”

“Volatility creates opportunity to make profit … war is real fucking good for business,” Varlay continued.
More here: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...blackrock-tapped-to-rebuild-ukraines-economy/
 
Here's who is behind the war in Ukraine. Time to exploit and rebuild a more inclusive society with globalist values:

Wall Street Windfall: BlackRock Tapped to Rebuild Ukraine’s Economy​

JOHN BINDER21 Jun 2023

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is tapping Wall Street firms like BlackRock and JPMorgan to help garner private and public investments to rebuild Ukraine amid its war with Russia.

Wall Street’s involvement in helping to rebuild Ukraine comes as journalist James O’Keefe published footage of BlackRock employee Serge Varlay saying the country’s war with Russia is “good for business”

“I’ll give an example: Russia blows up Ukraine’s grain silos. The price of wheat is gonna go mad up … the Ukrainian economy is tied very largely to the wheat market, global wheat market,” Varlay said. “Prices of bread, you know, literally everything goes up and down. This is fantastic if you’re trading.”

“Volatility creates opportunity to make profit … war is real fucking good for business,” Varlay continued.
More here: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...blackrock-tapped-to-rebuild-ukraines-economy/
Putin invaded Ukraine
 
I think it's just as viable to say that Zelensky might have some of the blame when he decided to discriminate against his Russian-speaking citizens in the Donbas.
Zelensky wasn't even in the picture in 2014 you dumb fuck American.....how can any one person be as stupid as you????
 
You obviously don't hate to say it.
I do, I hated the man as well.
Whether Putin does or does not want to allow NATO to do things is irrelevant to NATO. His actions are criminal. We are a part of NATO and anything impacting NATO also impacts us.
Nato on his doorstep is quite relevant to anyone who wants to forgo the risk of nuclear war, or any kind of ground war with the Russians. Nato and the US are not in any conventional position to take on the Russians in Europe, none whatsoever. His actions may or may not be illegal but there is nothing militarily that we can do about it. You obviously have no clue what we'd be up against.
 
I do, I hated the man as well.
Poor guy

Nato on his doorstep is quite relevant to anyone who wants to forgo the risk of nuclear war, or any kind of ground war with the Russians. Nato and the US are not in any conventional position to take on the Russians in Europe, none whatsoever. His actions may or may not be illegal but there is nothing militarily that we can do about it. You obviously have no clue what we'd be up against.
Nato has been on his doorstep for decades and can hit him from anywhere. It's a lame excuse for his real goal of reuniting the USSR.

His actions are illegal. That is true no matter if we have a way of holding him accountable or not.
 
I do, I hated the man as well.
. Nato and the US are not in any conventional position to take on the Russians in Europe, none whatsoever. His actions may or may not be illegal but there is nothing militarily that we can do about it. You obviously have no clue what we'd be up against.
NATO doesn't need to get boots on the ground in Europe.

Using a hypothetical,if NATO decide to institute a no fly zone over Ukraine, the Ukraine army would steamroll over the Russian positions and be knocking on the door to Crimea in a few weeks at most.

What is holding them back from kicking out the spent Russian forces is air superiority. They were not given have the right mix of equipment by their allies, they need aircraft.

They cannot establish air superiority over the combat zone. To add further, Russia's only remaining strength is in the air. Their ground equipment has been decimated, troops wasted, leadership killed and there logistics hubs are rail based, which mean fixed targets.

Sorry wrongway, but it is YOU who have no clue what is going on over there. Maybe get your head out of whatever news source's you choose to consume and get a handle on reality.
 

Ukraine Counter-Offensive Going ‘Slower Than Desired’, Admits Zelensky​

Ukraine Counter-Offensive Going ‘Slower Than Desired’, Admits Zelensky​


OLIVER JJ LANE22 Jun 2023

President Zelensky accuses some in Western nations of having unrealistic expectations about how quickly Ukraine would be able to rout the Russian occupation, but nevertheless conceded that even by his own perspective, the counter-offensive was going “slower than desired”.

The long-anticipated counter-offensive of Ukrainian forces trained and equipped by NATO allies has been underway for around three weeks, but so far victories have been restricted to handfuls of villages retaken. Comparing daily intelligence digest maps published by the Ministry of Defence show occupied territories in southeast Ukraine before the counteroffensive, at its commencement, and today basically unchanged.

Speaking to the sense of disappointment that some might feel — not least the Western nations sponsoring Kyiv by pouring billions of dollars of aid into Ukraine’s military to push back Russia — President Volodymyr Zelensky told UK state broadcaster the BBC that progress has been “slower than desired” but that he would not be forced to try and push harder.

He told the broadcaster: “Whatever some might want, including attempts to pressure us, with all due respect, we will advance on the battlefield the way we deem best.”

More here: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...ve-going-slower-than-desired-admits-zelensky/

The truth is, the field is littered with broken bodies, destroyed Bradleys, and Leopard tanks. The Ukrainians have failed to completely penetrate the 25 kilometer security zone let alone the first of three defensive lines along a 180-mile fortified front. The Ukrainians are either stupid or we have lied to them about what it takes to prevail in a combined arms breaching operation. There is no way that the 12 brigades of "Nato trained" Ukrainian forces can be competently expected to carry out a combined arms operation in six months, let alone a breaching operation (the most difficult and demanding there is) and of the magnitude needed to reduce the kind of obstacles the Russians have erected. The very first of the five principles of a breaching operation is "suppression." The Russians now enjoy a 10-1 advantage in artillery fires, there is no air defense capability of any scale available to the Ukrainians along that front, and the Russian ISR is just as good as ours and they can see and target everything with a variety of artillery and standoff systems, and they are doing it.
 

Ukraine Counter-Offensive Going ‘Slower Than Desired’, Admits Zelensky​

Ukraine Counter-Offensive Going ‘Slower Than Desired’, Admits Zelensky​


OLIVER JJ LANE22 Jun 2023

President Zelensky accuses some in Western nations of having unrealistic expectations about how quickly Ukraine would be able to rout the Russian occupation, but nevertheless conceded that even by his own perspective, the counter-offensive was going “slower than desired”.

The long-anticipated counter-offensive of Ukrainian forces trained and equipped by NATO allies has been underway for around three weeks, but so far victories have been restricted to handfuls of villages retaken. Comparing daily intelligence digest maps published by the Ministry of Defence show occupied territories in southeast Ukraine before the counteroffensive, at its commencement, and today basically unchanged.

Speaking to the sense of disappointment that some might feel — not least the Western nations sponsoring Kyiv by pouring billions of dollars of aid into Ukraine’s military to push back Russia — President Volodymyr Zelensky told UK state broadcaster the BBC that progress has been “slower than desired” but that he would not be forced to try and push harder.

He told the broadcaster: “Whatever some might want, including attempts to pressure us, with all due respect, we will advance on the battlefield the way we deem best.”

More here: https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...ve-going-slower-than-desired-admits-zelensky/

The truth is, the field is littered with broken bodies, destroyed Bradleys, and Leopard tanks. The Ukrainians have failed to completely penetrate the 25 kilometer security zone let alone the first of three defensive lines along a 180-mile fortified front. The Ukrainians are either stupid or we have lied to them about what it takes to prevail in a combined arms breaching operation. There is no way that the 12 brigades of "Nato trained" Ukrainian forces can be competently expected to carry out a combined arms operation in six months, let alone a breaching operation (the most difficult and demanding there is) and of the magnitude needed to reduce the kind of obstacles the Russians have erected. The very first of the five principles of a breaching operation is "suppression." The Russians now enjoy a 10-1 advantage in artillery fires, there is no air defense capability of any scale available to the Ukrainians along that front, and the Russian ISR is just as good as ours and they can see and target everything with a variety of artillery and standoff systems, and they are doing it.
Lol...more of this shit.
 
Shit you can't refute.
It's literally an opinion piece based on not enough information. I don't have a reason to refute anything. Just more of the same "Ukraine is losing" bullshit.

I doubt you even considered that they would survive the first attack on kyiv.

Putin has his hand up your sock puppet asshole.
 
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