Justice Kavanaugh asks DOJ Lawyer if Barack Obama should be prosecuted over his use of drone strikes against civilians

[HisArpy]

Trump was commander-in-chief for such military operations himself while he was president. That isn't anything like he is being charged with--he is being fingered for multiple--MULTIPLE--criminal acts that are separate from his duties as president. He is also being fingered for treason--for ORCHESTRATING A COUP AGAINST THE UNITED STATES.

Get a clue.

dudly, everything someone does while in office as President is "within his official capacity." There's well established precedent on this issue. It's why a President can travel on AF1 to campaign without having to pay for the cost, among other things.

Immunity is also well established on the same basis. As was well illustrated by the Q & A regarding whether Obama could be prosecuted for the drone strikes which killed Americans.

That you don't like the way this works because of your TDS doesn't change the FACT that it's how it works.

 

[HisArpy]

I hope the president is immune. Love Joe to put a hit out on Trump. And pardon himself

Why is it the Left always says conservatives are the violent ones when it's the Left that constantly talks about killing a President?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Why is it the Left always says conservatives are the violent ones when it's the Left that constantly talks about killing a President?

It would be 100% legal.

 

[jason28053]

Why is it the Left always says conservatives are the violent ones when it's the Left that constantly talks about killing a President?

Trump isn’t president

 

[HisArpy]

Trump isn’t president

Why you know, you're right. Imagine that.

Now do your threat to have him killed...

 

[jason28053]

Why you know, you're right. Imagine that.

Now do your threat to have him killed...

I’m not going you have him killed. I’m saying our current president can

 

[desecration]

Precedent establishes that the President has near total immunity and yet here we are asking if he's really immune or not.

Doing anything within the remit of his office seems legit at least. If he has a national interest reason for it, he should be okay.

 

[HisArpy]

Doing anything within the remit of his office seems legit at least. If he has a national interest reason for it, he should be okay.

There are only 3 ways a President can be held liable for his actions while in office.

1. Impeachment.

2. Losing a civil war.

3. Losing a reelection.

That's it.

 

[snailspace]

There are only 3 ways a President can be held liable for his actions while in office.

1. Impeachment.

2. Losing a civil war.

3. Losing a reelection.

That's it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1783552140700688781

 

[jomar]

The criminal trial in NYC will get Trump reelected.

For the sake of the nation let’s hope not

People aren't stupid (well some are - look at the idjits at Columbia University) and they can see what's going on.

I dunno man, have you seen this guy’s trump rally interviews?

Even the media is realizing (and saying) that it's baseless.

I’m not in the baseless camp, but in the could be a stretch camp.

dudly, everything someone does while in office as President is "within his official capacity." There's well established precedent on this issue. It's why a President can travel on AF1 to campaign without having to pay for the cost, among other things.

Everything is official? Like shaking down Georgia for votes to keep him in office, or withholding aid to Ukraine to get dirt on a political opponent? If that’s truly the case why are we even having the SCOTUS immunity hearing.

Immunity is also well established on the same basis. As was well illustrated by the Q & A regarding whether Obama could be prosecuted for the drone strikes which killed Americans.

As you well know, SCOTUS does the entertaining what ifs. And the Obama what if was could he be prosecuted for killing an American terrorist overseas in the name of national security vs trump being immune for making someone a promise they can’t refuse in order to president for life, like having SEAL team 6 take out a political opponent. Hardly the same.

 

[KeithD]

Trump isn’t president

And, incidentally, he wasn't president yet for the crimes he's being tried in New York at the moment.

 

[icanhelp1]

Nixon was given a pardon and accepted it, thereby acknowledging his guilt. The only reason for that was to avoid the possibility of prosecution.

Therefore the possibility of former presidents being prosecuted is established.

Former presidents being prosecuted is not the issue, of course they can, either by impeachment, convicted by the senate and expelled from office then referred to the DOJ for prosecution, also Crimes committed outside their official capacity as determined by a court of law. What’s being debated by the court is the standard and definition of what’s official capacity and what’s personal gain. imho

Remember Nixon resigned. He was never officially charged with a crime. No one is contesting the fact that he could have been prosecuted for a legitimate crime. He was pardoned for his crime and that ended the proceedings.

Correction, removed not expelled.

 

[Chobham]

And, incidentally, he wasn't president yet for the crimes he's being tried in New York at the moment.

*chuckle* And how's that going?

 

[Pad_Foot]

And, incidentally, he wasn't president yet for the crimes he's being tried in New York at the moment.

But!! He was not indicted for the hush money while ‘resident. The case had to wait. Meanwhile his lawyer already did time

 

[KeithD]

But!! He was not indicted for the hush money while ‘resident. The case had to wait. Meanwhile his lawyer already did time

Yes, Cohen did time for something that only benefited Trump (as long as Trump was going to be a piss poor personal manager and not manage to keep Cohen in his thrall). And Cohen was investigated, charged, convicted, and imprisoned during Trump's administration. One certainly wonders why Trump wouldn't do time for this when he let Cohen do time for it.

 

[ll74]

There are only 3 ways a President can be held liable for his actions while in office.

1. Impeachment.

2. Losing a civil war.

3. Losing a reelection.

That's it.

So a President can murder a bunch of Americans and resign and never be held accountable.

Got it.

 

[Lazaran]

As you well know, SCOTUS does the entertaining what ifs. And the Obama what if was could he be prosecuted for killing an American terrorist overseas in the name of national security vs trump being immune for making someone a promise they can’t refuse in order to president for life, like having SEAL team 6 take out a political opponent. Hardly the same.

For "some" reason, Derpy feels obligated to contort and conflate…well…everything…when it comes to defending the corrupt orange traitor and other members of the traitorous right wing cabal.



Must be because Derpy is a right wing biased "lawyer".

Objectivity has no place in Derpy’s "zealous defense" of the indefensible.



JFC

SAD!!!

 

[DeluxAuto]

near total immunity

if he's really immune or not

Lol, in the same post.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Yes, Cohen did time for something that only benefited Trump (as long as Trump was going to be a piss poor personal manager and not manage to keep Cohen in his thrall). And Cohen was investigated, charged, convicted, and imprisoned during Trump's administration. One certainly wonders why Trump wouldn't do time for this when he let Cohen do time for it.

Or if Trump didn’t think it was a crime why didn’t he pardon Cohen?

 

[Sean Renaud]

There are only 3 ways a President can be held liable for his actions while in office.

1. Impeachment.

2. Losing a civil war.

3. Losing a reelection.

That's it.

There really isn't anything in the Constitution that states he cannot be arrested. We just made that shit up and nobody had the balls to challenge it.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Why is it the Left always says conservatives are the violent ones when it's the Left that constantly talks about killing a President?

Because if Trump would eliminate his political rivals you would be totally okay with it. And then, come up with some bullshit legal argument about how it was in no way, shape or form a crime for Trump to have his rivals assasinated. Then, if the Supreme Court or Congress does step in and say, Trump is going too far for having his political rivals assassinated, you would claim he is being "Persecuted by the Liberal Congress in a judicial witch hunt." or some such bullshit.

You see, mr. Wizzard, we know how your tiny little mind works.

 

[desecration]

There really isn't anything in the Constitution that states he cannot be arrested.

With Constitutions designed to limit government, you have to find some basis for an affirmative right. Anything not mentioned is generally assumed to have been considered and rejected, or a novel issue that could not have been anticipated.

 

[dkovic77]

So you're saying that the possible prosecution of a President acting in his official capacity depends 100% on the good favor and opinion from the successor President?

That puts us on the edge of the slippery slope with no hope of stepping back.


(BTW, KBJ is a partisan quack and anyone who attempts to promulgate a legal argument based on her partisan quackery is an idiot.)

Official duties are one thing, clearly wasn’t doing his official duties on January 6th.

He was able to clear Lafayette Park of protestors (who didn’t breech the building) so he could take a picture with a prop.

Fun how even his lawyer admitted that some of his actions were not official duties yet, you don’t don’t seem to get that.

You probably think giving the White House Key to the former Japanese Prime minister was official too…

 

[icanhelp1]

Or if Trump didn’t think it was a crime why didn’t he pardon Cohen?

Tax evasion is a crime.

 

[icanhelp1]

Because if Trump would eliminate his political rivals you would be totally okay with it. And then, come up with some bullshit legal argument about how it was in no way, shape or form a crime for Trump to have his rivals assasinated. Then, if the Supreme Court or Congress does step in and say, Trump is going too far for having his political rivals assassinated, you would claim he is being "Persecuted by the Liberal Congress in a judicial witch hunt." or some such bullshit.

You see, mr. Wizzard, we know how your tiny little mind works.

Wow! Hypothetical absurdity on steroids.