Is Agony ever Ecstacy

Come one come all submissives...

Can you give Me your enlightened or hopeful opinions on IF or WHY *agony can or cannot be ecstacy?*

I am here to offer my "Hell, Yes!"



More details to come , if you wish

Hmmmmm ... well, that is a big question.

Short answer is a ditto to MissTaken's ... ohhhh YESSSSSSS.

Oh - that doesn't actually answer the question ... yes, agony can be ecstasy.


I suppose the best example I can give you is when I am taken 'flying' by multiple orgasms. At the start of play, permission to orgasm is often delayed. Once I am completely warmed up, so to speak, Robuck binds me in such a way as to make me totally open to him.

The slightlest pressure can then bring another orgasm. The method of granting me this varies from oral; vibrator; fingers; g-spot stimulation. The constant swing of being taken so high and let down slightly only to be taken higher still can be agony. I get to the stage where I feel I just cannot take any more. A feeling that I will burst open if it continues ... and it does.

That feeling passes and then I am so high that time stands still, everything fades and I am being lifted off the bed with each following orgasm.


That's just one way for me.

Hope that helps.



(Great question Shadowsdream ... could you make the next one a little easier? )

MissTaken

details details ~~grin~~

WillowPuss

Thank you for all the info and you can absolute count on the questions getting easier..ooops that was not true..O O does that mean I can't be trusted?

ok ok ok I will admit..the questions will seldom get any easier. I don't think I know any easy questions!

Shadows

Shadowsdream said:

ok ok ok I will admit..the questions will seldom get any easier. I don't think I know any easy questions!

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How about Multiple choice ? I can do them !!!

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artful said:

How about Multiple choice ? I can do them !!!

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LOL @ multiple choice......I was going to say that too. So I'll ditto what artful said.

In answer to your question Shadowsdream.... I can't say for sure that agony is indeed ecstasy. I'll need to do much, much more field research.....

dixi

Shadowsdream said:

Come one come all submissives...

Can you give Me your enlightened or hopeful opinions on IF or WHY *agony can or cannot be ecstacy?*

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"Physically" agony CAN be ecstacy.......example: painslut

"Emotionally" i cannot fathom a case where agony can be enjoyable.......as there is no place for THAT type of pain and suffering in BDSM........unless it is a case of "working thru a difficult problem" which results in emotional growth.....but even in that situation, i cant see how the agony CAN be ecstacy......just worth enduring........

multiple choice sounds like a bit to many options in that no questions asked kind of category. I will have to consider that one more deeply!

I like the no questions asked kind of category.

Shadowsdream said:

WillowPuss

Thank you for all the info and you can absolute count on the questions getting easier..ooops that was not true..O O does that mean I can't be trusted?

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~laughing~
Well, possibly ... but then you owned up ... so, sorry Shadowsdream - still absolutely trustworthy!


I like hard questions ... just that often, I can't seem to find the words I need to answer them. Suppose it will do my brain good to be used for a change? Could this be counted as agony (in trying to express myself) turning to ecstasy (when people understand what I am trying to say)? O is that cheating?

you know what willow? i reckon i love you...

agony (physical) is not ecstacy to me. pain, yes, but id see agony as something like breaking my leg for example, not a type of erotic pain.

damn me and my eng lit degree semantics.

Shadowsdream said:

Come one come all submissives...

Can you give Me your enlightened or hopeful opinions on IF or WHY *agony can or cannot be ecstacy?*

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YES, YES, YES.....agony can be ecstacy. There is nothing quite so pleasurable as a red tush, or red other areas....

NS

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Good idea EB

Sensation play is a complex issue and I guess we all feel things in different ways. For me as it works something like this

Stage 1 I know we are going to play(scene if you like). There is an arousal process in this with anticipation and sometimes some fear.

Stage 2 The warmup and scene setting takes place with arousal stepping up a level

Stage 3 Warmed up and sensation play in full swing. Intensity rising all the time with the move from simple pleasure to very intense sensations and a spiraling headspace that seems to blend the sensations. In this space breathing is erratic and I can be either very aroused and in near orgasmic state or sometimes unaroused but submerged in the sensations and how I make my partner feel by doing what I am doing while she is doing what she is doing (is that too convoluted?) Either way it is a great "place" to be, very fullfilling and very intense type of ecstatic feeling while experencing sensations that otherwise would make you fight.

Stage 4 Release and wind down aftercare etceteras and a very quiet (internal) place. This has been discussed elswhere.


To answer you question EB YES.
H

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pierced_boy said:

Sensation play is a complex issue and I guess we all feel things in different ways. For me as it works something like this

Stage 1 I know we are going to play(scene if you like). There is an arousal process in this with anticipation and sometimes some fear.

Stage 2 The warmup and scene setting takes place with arousal stepping up a level

Stage 3 Warmed up and sensation play in full swing. Intensity rising all the time with the move from simple pleasure to very intense sensations and a spiraling headspace that seems to blend the sensations. In this space breathing is erratic and I can be either very aroused and in near orgasmic state or sometimes unaroused but submerged in the sensations and how I make my partner feel by doing what I am doing while she is doing what she is doing (is that too convoluted?) Either way it is a great "place" to be, very fullfilling and very intense type of ecstatic feeling while experencing sensations that otherwise would make you fight.

Stage 4 Release and wind down aftercare etceteras and a very quiet (internal) place. This has been discussed elswhere.


To answer you question EB YES.
H

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I enjoyed reading your post.

Maybe the thread starter (Shadowsdream) will have some additional comments to.

ok, speaking ONLY about physical pain here (i don't like being emotionally hurt, and frankly, i just won't stand for it)

there's that anticipation of pain, knowing it's about to happen. this alone is VERY fun, keeping all my senses heightened and i feel very alive.

then there's two types of pain. the kind i can handle and the kind that pushes me. (well, i guess there's a third type being the kind that i just can't take, but i never encounter that except under the influence of my own clumsiness, so i'll just leave that out) the kind i can handle is delicious, leaving a warm feeling in my skin which grabs the attention of every nerve in my body. this is quite pleasurable and my life would be tragically dull without it.

then there's the kind that pushes me. it builds, passing through the "fine and dandy" stage, and then it starts to become too much. i scream, writhe, squirm, and do everything in my power to escape. (oddly enough, this is exactly how i react when tickled) luckily, He recognizes this, and never keeps it going for more than He knows i can take. for the second or so that it's so unbearable, i feel nothing but that blinding pain and the desire for it to stop. but as soon as it does, i want more. the after effects linger in the flesh, leaving that strange mixture of (following suite with the thread title) agony and extacy. it's like an overload on the senses, and i intensly feel every inch of flesh that was affected. it bathes me in this indescribable sensation which, well, i can't really describe.

~cannot the emotional agony of being brought to the edge of frustration through hours of sexual torment be an ecstacy of some form? The ride on the ebb and flow of the voice taunting with all the possibilities that can occur before OR if sexual relief will be granted?

Shadowsdream said:

~cannot the emotional agony of being brought to the edge of frustration through hours of sexual torment be an ecstacy of some form? The ride on the ebb and flow of the voice taunting with all the possibilities that can occur before OR if sexual relief will be granted?

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i hadn't considered including this particular type of enjoyable frustration in my encompassing term of "emotional agony". i do thoroughly delight in being denied pleasure, or being teased to the point of breaking before i am given release.

bunny bondage said:

i hadn't considered including this particular type of enjoyable frustration in my encompassing term of "emotional agony". i do thoroughly delight in being denied pleasure, or being teased to the point of breaking before i am given release.

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How about when the Dominant wraps His or Her fingers in your hair and pulls you to look into their eyes. Dropping their voice to almost a whisper and telling you what a bad girl you have been..throwing your mind into tormoil...not knowing what you have done?
Dragging you over their knee, pulling your panties down as they continue to verbalise their discontent with your attitude..still not eluding to the crime....as each smack gets stronger and stronger His or Her voice gets stronger and stronger..the words more concise...and torn between the physical sensation, pain, heat you find that the words are becoming passionate and almost angry rather than cold...you listen even harder for the cause of this punishment...it begins to sink in that your CRIME is the PASSION you fill in your Dominant, the need you create in their most basic animalistic soul, nothing more than the ~you~ that makes them so hot they erupt into this mind fuck to take you from hell to heaven?

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pierced_boy said:

Sensation play is a complex issue and I guess we all feel things in different ways. For me as it works something like this

Stage 1 I know we are going to play(scene if you like). There is an arousal process in this with anticipation and sometimes some fear.

Stage 2 The warmup and scene setting takes place with arousal stepping up a level

Stage 3 Warmed up and sensation play in full swing. Intensity rising all the time with the move from simple pleasure to very intense sensations and a spiraling headspace that seems to blend the sensations. In this space breathing is erratic and I can be either very aroused and in near orgasmic state or sometimes unaroused but submerged in the sensations and how I make my partner feel by doing what I am doing while she is doing what she is doing (is that too convoluted?) Either way it is a great "place" to be, very fullfilling and very intense type of ecstatic feeling while experencing sensations that otherwise would make you fight.

Stage 4 Release and wind down aftercare etceteras and a very quiet (internal) place. This has been discussed elswhere.


To answer you question EB YES.
H

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The ebb and flow, the dance!

A good scene generally begins long before it appears to...setting it up emotionally, occassionally with only a few words
....adding another thought to fill the mind of the submissive...a small task that seems really mundane..perhaps cleaning the bathroom fully masked and deeply penetrated with the remote control butt plug..they know that it can begin vibrating at any moment... they have no control.
...ensuring the submissive understands that when that plug begins to vibrate they are to stop their task immediately and come to the Dominant..no questions asked...
...Each time they arrive at Her or His feet another piece of bondage or torment is added to the body...
a spreader bar
nipple clamps
wrist cuffs
leash
etc...
it can take a very long time to clean a bathroom to the satisfaction of an impossible Dominant..with constant physical interruptions..the emotions are competing with the brain..the work is becoming more difficult because of the treatment.
...eventually you led from the completed task by the leash...which is handed to the Dom/me friend that has entered the home unbeknownst to you
you are blindfolded
...not a word is spoken...while your Dominant begins to test your obedience and vulnerbility with the crop..the flogger..the cane....
when you think you are going to physically collapse and your heart is racing...you have no idea which Dominant is in control of all of the sensations...
you are led to the bed....gently pushed onto your back..the spreader bar is removed...and the blindfold....you find yourself alone with your Dominant....drawn into His or Her arms...still no words but strong firm hands soothing you into a calmer state...
you feel the pride...the joy.
Awesome on both sides of the whip...agony and ecstacy!

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How about when the Dominant wraps His or Her fingers in your hair and pulls you to look into their eyes. Dropping their voice to almost a whisper and telling you what a bad girl you have been..throwing your mind into tormoil...not knowing what you have done?
Dragging you over their knee, pulling your panties down as they continue to verbalise their discontent with your attitude..still not eluding to the crime....as each smack gets stronger and stronger His or Her voice gets stronger and stronger..the words more concise...and torn between the physical sensation, pain, heat you find that the words are becoming passionate and almost angry rather than cold...you listen even harder for the cause of this punishment...it begins to sink in that your CRIME is the PASSION you fill in your Dominant, the need you create in their most basic animalistic soul, nothing more than the ~you~ that makes them so hot they erupt into this mind fuck to take you from hell to heaven?

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I don't know how much the SUBBIES like it, but that's one of MY favorite games

James G 5 said:

I don't know how much the SUBBIES like it, but that's one of MY favorite games

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~~grin~~ games are a good thing James!

Shadowsdream said:

~~grin~~ games are a good thing James!

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In the right context, the chorus from that old song isn't a bad thing

"Head games
You and me baby
Head Games
Till I can't take it any more
Head Games"



*edited 'cause I been up WAY too late talking to my girls & posting here & I am BEAT now LOL so typing is worse than normal

Shadowsdream said:

How about when the Dominant wraps His or Her fingers in your hair and pulls you to look into their eyes. Dropping their voice to almost a whisper and telling you what a bad girl you have been..throwing your mind into tormoil...not knowing what you have done?
Dragging you over their knee, pulling your panties down as they continue to verbalise their discontent with your attitude..still not eluding to the crime....as each smack gets stronger and stronger His or Her voice gets stronger and stronger..the words more concise...and torn between the physical sensation, pain, heat you find that the words are becoming passionate and almost angry rather than cold...you listen even harder for the cause of this punishment...it begins to sink in that your CRIME is the PASSION you fill in your Dominant, the need you create in their most basic animalistic soul, nothing more than the ~you~ that makes them so hot they erupt into this mind fuck to take you from hell to heaven?

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i file this under "psychological agony" rather than emotional, but i do see your point. and thanks for the hot post, btw! ^_^

i guess "emotional agony" is too broad a term to describe what i meant. i refered to those stupid emotional games that some doms play - "if you loved me, you'd..." or "it's like you don't care about me at all!" or other guilt trips and manipulations that i've come across and been too naive to see through. but luckily, i made a lot of big mistakes early on in life, and i'm now prepared to face the world with a slightly wiser outlook.






damn what a hot post!

*pulls up a chair and some popcorn, and watches the agony turn to ecstacy*

Shadowsdream said:

Come one come all submissives...

Can you give Me your enlightened or hopeful opinions on IF or WHY *agony can or cannot be ecstacy?*

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I would have to go with the agony CAN be ecstasy opinion.

I had a tattoo done this last summer in a very sensitive spot for me...just inside my right hip...soft tender ticklish skin. The session went for three hours. The burn was outrageous. The pain had me gripping the table. The vibrations from the needle had my heart racing, body quivering and juices flowing. Thinking back to that very moment I realized that I could and probably would go through pain/agony for the ultimate pleasure.


Right now I'm in complete agony...yet on the edge continously of ecstasy.

It can be a good thing.