Safe, Sane & Consensual Discussion

Sub-drop?

So far, I agree 100% with what you have said. Only one question. what is "sub-drop?" This is a term I've never heard before.

I guess the more you think you know, the more you realize that you really know squat! Living means learning.

Take care.

-T

Re: Sub-drop?

Tatewaki said:

So far, I agree 100% with what you have said. Only one question. what is "sub-drop?" This is a term I've never heard before.

I guess the more you think you know, the more you realize that you really know squat! Living means learning.

Take care.

-T

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"Did he just call himself Blue Thunder?"

we had a few posta about it in the original thread; it's basically a monsterous case of depression, a loss of self, that can be pretty profound, after a Scene.

there's more to it than that, but that's the CliffNotes version.

SpectreT,

Thanks for the heads up. BTW, you are the first person in almost 8 years of me using this 'nym to recognize it. (Or perhaps to comment upon it.)

Cool!

Regards,

-T

Re: Safe, Sane & Consensual: Words to Live By

RisiaSkye said:

One of the questions I am most commonly asked about BDSM, both here and in RL, is how one differentiates between Domination using extreme sensation and abusive, hurtful relationshiops.

One of the few things I've consistently found agreement on within the BDSM community, here and elsewhere, is the primary need to adhere to the SSC motto. So, let's take a look at this a little more closely. What does Safe, Sane & Consensual really mean?

Safe: A Dominant of any variety has a principal and unwavering ethical and emotional duty to their sub, bottom, slave (etc.) to keep them safe. This means, no matter how intense or edgy the play, that the Dominant must be in control of themself and the scene, able to protect the sub from real harm and damaging emotional turmoil. This means not physically harming the sub in a lasting way, it means knowing how to use any toys that enter a scene (particularly with potentially dangerous toys like TENS units), it means respecting hard limits, and it means always having one eye on the safety and emotional security of the bottom/sub. A Dominant who fails to do this fails both the sub, and themself.

Safety also requries submissives to protect themselves, particularly early in a relationship. Safe-calls, safe-words, discussions of limits, contracts, agreements, and even references from other submissives work toward this end. Honesty also goes a long way toward safety. If a submissive has health issues or limits which may affect play, it is their duty to be honest about them. If a sub has a negative, frightening, or damaging experience (like sub-drop), this should also be communicated to the Dominant in the interest of safety.

Sane: A BDSM relationship is a relationship first. This means that all play should respect the boundaries of personal respect and individual needs, shouldn't require a person to lose their sense of self, distance themselves from the rest of their life, surrender things they want to keep, or adopt an entirely new persona.

That's not to suggest that there are hard and fast limits as to what can constitute play, or how far it can go. It does mean, however, that consistent, rational focus, and clear self-awareness are a principle part of playing in safe and satisfying ways. Drug use, sleep deprivation, violence, public exposure, and other kinds of edgy, even dangerous activities play a part in many (if not most) relationships, BDSM or otherwise. There's a big difference between drinking a bottle of champagne and going on a five day coke binge, however; at the point that these things begin to compromise good judgement and the safety of the players, they cease to be "sane."

This sexuality is a part of people's lives, to differing degrees, but should always be recognized as a part of their lives and personalities. This requires "sanity" on the point of the observer as well as the participants. Further, all BDSM activities should be entirely one's own choice. This brings us to the next point.

Consensual: All BDSM is chosen by both partners. Any interaction, sexual or otherwise, which exploits one of the participants or uses them against their will is abuse, not BDSM. It's important to realize that while you may not like or enjoy the sexual behaviors favored by some within this lifestyle, no matter how the behavior looks from the outside it is a freely chosen consensual behavior enacted between two adults. As such, it deserves respect and tolerance.

Further, submissives do not cease to retain their ability to choose when entering into any BDSM relationship with a Dominant. Even in collared, long-term RL relationships, perhaps the most "binding" committment between two players, the submissive is always a person with rights who chooses the Dominant just as much as the Dom/me chooses the sub. Hard limits exist for a reason--as a marker of the submissive's consent and its limits. Failure to respect those limits compromises not only the safety of the sub, but the foundational trust necessary to the relationship as a whole. The minute it fails to be consensual, it becomes abuse; when one player no longer wants to play, if it continues, it becomes rape.

Violent, passionate, aggressively heated sex is not the same thing as abuse specifically because both parties choose it, want it, desire it deeply. If they did not, they wouldn't be there. If that's not the case in your relationship or one you witness, it is not BDSM. It is abuse, and should be treated accordingly.

Please also see Hecate's thread on "breaking submissives" for an elaboration of the difference between Domination and abusive D/s relations.

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I'd like to add that I agree to this info....thanks for sharing,
but another important issue in BDSM is you must TRUST
your partner.... Dom must trust sub/and sub must TRUST
Dom....... you both need to lay down rules, guidlines, and
safewords are very essential too......If you don't trust the
Dom....it could become very unsafe not only physically, but
mentally.........