Severe Emotional Scarring

Kollins

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By all appearances, I'm a normal guy. To those who know me personally, I'm the the one they all consider to be one of the "closest" friends. I'm the one they cal for advice or reassurance,I'm the one the girls cry to when something awful happens. To people who DON'T know me, say, strangers in a subway car, for example, I'm stoic and standoffish. I'm NOT the guy you'd think to start up a conversation with, although I notice people seem to be interested in me anyway (I'll get to my theory on that in a sec, I gotta set this thing up). I guess I appear to be a pretty stable, intelligent, sometimes-witty, sometimes-moody guy with a small, eclectic circle of friends and associates.

But you know, we never really know what goes on behind the closed doors of our friends' lives.

I'm a tall, fairly deent-looking guy, I get my share of attention from women when I enter a room. But the thing is, that attention means NOTHING to me, and no, I'm not gay. I'm scarred for life, is what I am. All throughout my younger life, I was repeatedly told I was "ugly". I can remember every single moment, I still feel that little sharp pang of hurt you get right in the center of your chest. Not so much family members--I wasn't so much called ugly there, but one evil aunt constantly told me I was an unwanted child (my grandparents raised me). I'd hear "ugly" from people on the street as I walked by with a group of friends. My "friends" would try to ignore it, or sometimes they'd laugh along with them. Several times as a teen I'd meet girls who would, at first, appear to be friendly (in one-on-one situations). But hemoment we were at school, or out around others in some social situation, the truth would come out. I rememer one girl in particular running away from me after I aproached her to say hi at a party (up to tha point, we had been "friends", even exchanged numbers). I swear to god, I have been called ugly so much that after awhile it stopped hurting. Don't get me wrong, it's done damage--but it stopped hurting, it's now just a huge scar that I'll always carry.

I've remained a virgin, even after I suddenly became "acceptable" and women began treating me kinder. I just wil not allow myself to get close to any woman who approaches me. I've been referred to as "handsome" now (I lost about 30 pounds a few years ago), I hear little comments made as I walk by, I get women trying to draw me into a "flirting match" out in public. I ignore it all. A cute Hispanic girl asks me the time, smiling, tossing her hair lightly. I tell her the time, give a polite smile, and Keep It Moving. I have a strong sexual appetite, I do the porn thing and all, but my heart won't allow me to participate in "life". ALL MY LIFE I was told a certain fact about myself. I have come to accept it, even though evidence is screaming at me that it's no longer a fact. And I also must say, I believe the only reason so many women seem to pay me so much atention--aside from my height--is the fact tht I'm the only man in the immediate vicinity who is paying them absolutley NO ATTENTION. I've heard you women are used to attention from men, and you are aware of any man within a 20 mile radius who is not looking at you.

Well, we're not all gay.

Some of us have been severely hurt to the point where we don't even consider ourselves a part of "this world". The things most of you take for granted--massages from your girlfriend, candlelight dinners--are alien to me (I actually tense up when a woman touches me--yes, I have hung out with females, kissed a few, things like that).

As each year passes, I grow more and more bored with this world, so I don't see myself worrying about growing old alone. I just wonder if I am the only person who has lived this sort of life, who has been so broken down by the past that you don't see a future.

Thanks for listening.
 
No, you are not alone

Although I'd expect you to find that hard to believe ...

The posting of your message took a considerable amount of courage on your part ... I don't for one minute think it stops hurting, however big the capital letters ... and if you really feel you accept it I'd be utterly amazed

You just don't take those risks anymore ...

Where do you want to go next?
 
Actually, Lazarus, I don't think that far ahead. I'm one of tose people who wakes up expecting some negativity to happen. I sometimes get chest pains, and every now and then they might radiate to my left arm briefly. Whereas an "adjusted" person might seek medical attention, I shrug and figure, "maybe my number's about to fnally come up." I picked up smoking late in life (I'm 29 now, I began at 25), and I continue to smoke almost daily (I ran out of cigs, and I only smoke a certain brand I can't get in my area).

I know for a fact I am never going to go out into this world and seek out a relationship. Ever. The girs tht aproach me see to do so more out of curiosity ("why is he not checking me out?") or ego ("I'm gonna MAKE this guy like me, just to prove to myself I'm still cute").

And you're right, I normally tell myself I'm the only guy in the world like this. I ignore women who give me obvious signals...all because of stuff that happened as I was growing up. What other guy would do that? It's reassuring to know I'm not alone. That's why I posted this.
 
Sorry about the cigaretttes - that certainly strikes a chord (he said, lighting up himself)

I'd reframe it a bit myself - you are adjusted - you aren't dead yet so you are clearly doing something right.

Like most of us you do the best you can with what you've got ... and it's worked so far. The question really is are you adjusted to a set of problems that no longer apply?

I'd suspect so - a bit like stabilisers on a child's bike so you don't fall off and hurt yourself. So you don't corner fast because they make you fall off - you can't lean into corners

Ok - if you can cycle - you go faster now and it would really hurt a lot if you fell off - no argument. On the other hand you are a lot bigger so you might cope a bit better ... And you'd probably survive long enough to get back on again.

I'm not, note, saying you won't fall off - you will - but probably not for the reasons you'd expect.





I'm on the wrong side of the Atlantic and a time difference - so I'll look to see if you reply in the morning and get back then.

Oh and by the way, never is a very big word. Bigger than necessary really ...
 
Just to let you know, there are a lot of girls who grow up with that same 'complex' because they're told, as a kid, that they're the ugly duckling, for whatever reason: maybe they're overweight, maybe they're much taller, or much shorter, or too thin or...whatever. I'm a redhead and when I was a kid, I always had other kids making fun of me, because of it. Now what do I hear almost every time I mention I'm a redhead?

"I love redheads!"

I imagine these were the same kind of guys who would have snubbed someone like me in high school, or junior high, because I didn't look like all the rest. But that's okay...children grow up and they realize (usually) the error of their ways.

If you're happy being alone, then by all means, feel free to brush aside any female who's interested in you. But you definitely need to keep in mind, just like all men who don't seem interested in a woman aren't necessarily gay, all women who find you attractive are not necessarily the same ones who would have snubbed you at a party in school. And you're not punishing them by ignoring them. Yes, they might wonder why, they might take you as a challenge, but, in the end, if you're not interested, you'll be forgotten.

We all have scars. How you deal with them and how you deal with others is what will determine your happiness in life.

My .02,
girl
 
Well, I can honestly say it's not about punishing anyone. I just have a certain way of relating to the world, and it makes me the way I am. I was always the outsider when I was a pre-teen, then later in my teen years. I could never expect anything more than friendship from a female--and most times, even THAT was fake.

I think I ignore them moreso because I don't trust them. And again, I firmly believe sme women have egos so big they cannot stand the thought of a guy--ANY guy, even an "ugly" one--ignoring them. And I wouldn't be intersted in woma that vain, anyway.

I was once walking along 14th St in Mahattan with my little sister when we passed beautiful girl on the sidewalk. She was breathtaking, but she walked with her head down, arms drawn around herself. You could feel pain and hurt radiating from her, and I wanted to ask her if she was okay, but I didn't. I saw a lot of myself in her, an I fgured she was comfortable.

I know there are women out there like that. I just feel like the only guy sometimes.
 
girl said:
Just to let you know, there are a lot of girls who grow up with that same 'complex' because they're told, as a kid, that they're the ugly duckling, for whatever reason: maybe they're overweight, maybe they're much taller, or much shorter, or too thin or...whatever. I'm a redhead and when I was a kid, I always had other kids making fun of me, because of it. Now what do I hear almost every time I mention I'm a redhead?

"I love redheads!"
girl, girl, aside from making a perfectly wonderful example to contribute to the thread, why didn't you tell me before you're a redhead?

I crave redheads...
 
LukkyKnight said:
girl, girl, aside from making a perfectly wonderful example to contribute to the thread, why didn't you tell me before you're a redhead?

You never asked? :D

I crave redheads...

You see? You probably would have made fun of me in grade school...called me 'Rusty Brain' and all that. ;)

girl
 
Good morning from the uk - where its grey and cold,

An excellent post from girl too ... with a lovely bit of reframing as well. Nice example - don't want me/want me because I'm a redhead. And quite right on all counts ...

Wanting me for me is optimal - but you have to start somewhere!

The problem is when this mutates from - don't want me because of something specific - to - don't want me because deep down there is something fundamentally wrong with me (which I know to be absolutely true, even though I can't put my finger on what it is)

Obviously this deep dark dirty bit - if true - would preclude any relationship.

On the other hand, if it's not true you continue to be well and truly screwed by the ghosts of your past.

The "ugly" kid has to believe what the grown-up (or classmates) tell him - and deals with it the best way he or she can. That they might have reasons of their own doesn't occur ...

You've found a way and stuck with it because it works, but not rechecked the basic premises too closely. There is a big cognitive structure in place to confirm the truth of what you already know ...

So when it goes pear shaped (as it does at times), it's because of factor X - never for any other reason

If it doesn't go wrong - then sombody is setting you up for something bigger and better later / or they are a factor X freak and there is something deeply wrong with them too ...

Which you knew before you started - so why bother?

Two reasons to check it out with an open mind:

1) You might be wrong - the sample you have is too small to draw valid conclusins on all mankind

2) This happy little technique of giving a child false (or at least unverifiable but authoritative) information in the knowlege it will become part of them isn't simply St Augustine's method of getting kids to church - it's the basis of all the "best" grooming techniques in child abuse. Neat.

Why? Because it never occurs that the fundamental "truth" is a lie - so you end up doing all the real work involved in keeping the nasty "little secret" yourself.

Bloody hard work to sort it out though ... but only too late after they bury you.


The sun's a bit brighter here now - a little bit :)
 
Kollins, I can feel a certain level of empathy with you. Growing up, I had horrible acne. I'm talking huge red pussy things all over my face. It hurt and it was horrible and I looked so ugly. I used to cry every night.

All through high school, I had to take the public bus home from school. I went to an all girls private high school, which was bad, but the girls weren't so mean to me - just drew ugly pictures of me or made bad comments. But, my bus stopped at one of the public high schools and for some reason those kids loved to make fun of me the whole way home - a half hour trip. They said horrible things, which hurt now to even think of. Why they chose me, I couldn't tell you. I wanted to die rather than take that bus.

Finally, when I was 20, I took accutane and it cleared up my face. I have this skin now that doesn't have one scar and is very white. I still feel like that ugly girl with the boils all over her face.

People stop and stare at me all the time because they say I'm beautiful, but I can't see it. In fact, the more they say these things, the harder it is for me to trust them.

I am married nw and have a wonderful husband. It is good to have someone to share your life with and your happiness. It is still hard to believe people when they start to compliment me, but you have to take that step.

Kollins, don't go it alone and shut yourself off from the rest of the world. You are missing out on the strength and support of another wonderful person.
 
Never thought to ask

Originally posted by girl You see? You probably would have made fun of me in grade school...called me 'Rusty Brain' and all that. ;)

girl
Au contraire, as an Irish American I prize red heads above all others. Pleased to add the info to my picture of you...

I like being at a point in my life where nobody is scar-free anymore. We all have bounced off hard places, and so it matters less.
 
Oh this thread hits just a little to close to home... How I understand and feel your pain, Kollins... as a chubby redheaded girl child, you cannot know the pain of childhood teasing, unless you have experienced it first hand... all the "I'd rather be dead than red on the head.." and "fatty, fatty two by four..." and add to that the humiliation of having to walk home 10 blocks everyday from public school... Children can be thoughtless and mean, but crueler still was the mother who constantly told me that I was just like my abusive, alcoholic father.... It is the adults in our lives that murder our souls....

Two lessons I learned very early on... don't trust anyone and don't let anyone get close to you.... 20 years of therapy later.... well, I finally know that I am okay with me... as I am... I am unique and beautiful... and all that chubbyness was just breast and ass waiting to happen...

Women today envy my hair and tell me how beautiful it is and men want me.... well some men anyway.... but still inside of me is that little girl child who learned her lessons about trust and closeness and everyday it struggle to free her from them...

You aare young still, Kollins, and you can get past this... and let the past go... or you can let it rule the rest of your life... it is your choice... I knew I could get past my childhood when the pain of it became too great and I destroyed every adult relationship I had...

This morning I saw a movie that said it all.... in the end, we write our own ending.... it is up to us... and today... because that is all I have, I choose not to let the past write my ending.... I choose not to let the past rule me, I choose to rule the past....
 
I can

foxxxyred said:
I can't believe so many redheads were teased when younger!
Between aunts, sisters, cousins, and friends I learned this is one of the traits which children can seize upon, and without malice or much thought their "practice" put-downs can cut very deeply.
 
cellis said:
Women today envy my hair and tell me how beautiful it is and men want me.... well some men anyway.... but still inside of me is that little girl child who learned her lessons about trust and closeness and everyday it struggle to free her from them...
I had to requote this, because it deserves to be said twice.

The men in my life are wonderful and deal with my self-esteem issues very well. I'm a pretty well-adjusted individual; I have very little emotional baggage, insofar as number. However, I have a huge big piece of Samsonite that is chock full of emotional junk about my appearance. I battle with it most every day, as many people (especially women) do, I think. There are so many yardsticks by which people are judged...and if they fall short, or don't fall into the right category, it can be awful, especially as children.

girl
 
The thing is.. you are not alone :)

Have you thought about getting some therapy to get over this block in your life?

There is actually a term for being stopped inside like this..though I can't remember it right now..

But I know that often therapy can get one over the past and be free to live in the here and now and for the future.

I hope you choose to go for it.. cause we all get one life and there is so much good to live for. And to get over the idiots to hold any of us back is a good thing...

So, go for it. Live really is worth living to the fullest. I wish you luck! *Hug*
 
Thank you all for posting.

To respond to a couple of comments--

Someone mentioned how hard it is to accept compliments. I can definitely relate! If you've been called ugly all your life, you'renot going to readily accept someone telling you otherwise. I actually get called "handsome" and "sexy"now, but in my mind it's being said facetiously. I've even ended frindships with girls who would compliment me too much. I just don't believe it's sincere.

I know women find diffeent things about men attractive. I was talkin with a frind recently and we were iscussin first impressions. She told me she thought my "broad shoulders" and collarbone were "sexy". :p I can accept that, she wasn't calling me handsome directly, just commenting on my build.

Have I thought about seeking therapy? Honestly, I doubt it would help. And actually, coming out here into cyberspace and talking with people this way REALLY helps. Here, I'm not judged by appearances. True, a lot of people use he net to become "someone else", but here I can be ME. And people can appreciate me for ME.

Thanks for the hug! :)
 
I actually get called "handsome" and "sexy"now

Most people, fortunately, continue to grow as they grow older. Some end up with closed minds, but many learn that they are attracted to the feeling, thinking, human being found inside the body, not the shape itself... so perhaps you should stop thinking terms such as "handsome" are necessarily being used precisely the literal way you think of. Perhaps, after all, it is a woman telling you something more like, "Wow, you're attractive to me, let's see where this leads..."

Stanger things have happened.

As to accepting compliments:
In my experience, almost everybody rejects them as unfounded. This is another area where people need to stop invalidating somebody else's opinon. You may not agree with them, but if they say it just shut the hell up, smile, and say "Thanks." Unless, of course, you're always right.
 
Re: I actually get called "handsome" and "sexy"now

LukkyKnight said:
Most people, fortunately, continue to grow as they grow older. Some end up with closed minds, but many learn that they are attracted to the feeling, thinking, human being found inside the body, not the shape itself... so perhaps you should stop thinking terms such as "handsome" are necessarily being used precisely the literal way you think of. Perhaps, after all, it is a woman telling you something more like, "Wow, you're attractive to me, let's see where this leads..."

Stanger things have happened.

As to accepting compliments:
In my experience, almost everybody rejects them as unfounded. This is another area where people need to stop invalidating somebody else's opinon. You may not agree with them, but if they say it just shut the hell up, smile, and say "Thanks." Unless, of course, you're always right.

Oh yes, LK... how astute of you to see this... and how important it is to move beyond what we were told to who and what we are today... understanding that the outside is just a covering and little sometimes to do with what lies beneath the surface...
 
Walking Wounded

After a 2 hour search I finally found it.

When I was a teen ager, I was a ball of seething, hurting, raw emotion. Most of them were painful mentally to me. It has taken years for me to adjust and understand I can not go back and change any of it. I can only go on as best as I can.

When I was in High School, someone I loved as deeply as only a teen ager can, pegged me right on target. He called me "One of the Walking Wounded " and played this song for me. I have never been able to find the album, and I have only heard the song 2 times. But it stayed with me all these 22 years.
It really struck something inside me and somehow I have remembered it all this time. Enough to try and find it to share with you. Substitute what ever pronouns you want to for her or him. The words still mean the same if taken out of the context they were written in.

Walking Wounded

She's one of the walking wounded
But the bleeding doesn't show
Behind the wall around her heart
Where none's allowed to go
It's been this way for so long now
She can't remember when
She can still hope for tomorrow
So instead she just pretends.

When she thinks no one can see her
Sometimes she'll crack the door
Untill she feels the fear again
And locks it like before
Alone behind the windows
Curtained with her pride
She'll once again embrace her pain
And turn away inside

To give away her heart before had been her first mistake
She knows she should not doubt him now
But there's just too much at stake
Still he keeps on calling
But she pretends she doesn't hear
He longs to touch and heal her
But she never lets him near

She 's one of the walking wounded
She's been searching for so long
Deep inside she's hoping
All the fears she feel are wrong
Maybe he can give her all the love she's been denied
Maybe it will be alright if she lets him come inside


Alone behind the windows
Curtained with her pride
She'll once again embrace her pain and turn away inside
 
No Silver... it is just a sensitive subject that no one wants to talk about too much... way too deep...
 
Hi i was always teased because i was fat not real fat just 50 pounds over noe i'm 140 over because of meds. But in jr. high i said to myself i have friends and if those who laugh at me don't lie me for who i am then fuck em. One jock always picked on me because he was mad because the girls at one table would hold my a seat. Well at the start of 12 grade he pushed my to far at lunch so i decked him broke his jaw one girl i liked very much ran over and pulled me out of there and she was scared she never saw me get like this. But go ot and enjoy life because it's to short. Good luck
 
cellis said:
No Silver... it is just a sensitive subject that no one wants to talk about too much... way too deep...

Start talking to people here and you will find that so very many are "the walking wounded". We ALL have had bad things happen in our past. Most likely bad things will also happen in the future. You just have to learn to ride the wave and try to keep your head above water. Kids were horrible to you, a stupid adult was horrible to you. IT was THEIR problem not yours!
I'm not trying to put down how anyone feels but as was said before "GET OVER IT!"

Accept positive comments. There is no need for someone to give them so they are usually from the heart.
If you are told you are handsome, ACCEPT IT!
DON'T accept negative comments! They are usually given out of hate or insecurity.
 
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