The Rape Fantasy

so my girlfriend is always trying to get me to pretend rape her or be mean to her while we are having sex. I have gotten a little better about it, but it just feels so unnatural and so wrong when I do it. It is hard to really believe what I am doing and I am afraid to hurt her. Anyone else have experience with this and feel the same way. I'm sure it's just got to do with my upbringing, but I am really seeking a way to be more comfortable with this idea as it really turns her on. Let me know.

SD

Umm, ok everyone. Sorry about the original post that was here. You've heard of drunk dialing? Well I sometimes drunk post. At least I can edit my posts.

If you get off by pleasing her, keep that thought in your mind. Focus on her pleasure, watch her reactions and respond to that.



You can do a rape scene without hurting her and "rough" sex isn't necessarily sex that is going to hurt. (Not for long, anyway! )

I have known a Dominant who was requested by a sub to do this and found it was just too much against who he was. For him it was impossible even to role play. I think you have to go with what you feel comfortable with, and if this is too big an ask, she may have to accept that.

Catalina

sdedalus said:

so my girlfriend is always trying to get me to pretend rape her or be mean to her while we are having sex. I have gotten a little better about it, but it just feels so unnatural and so wrong when I do it. It is hard to really believe what I am doing and I am afraid to hurt her. Anyone else have experience with this and feel the same way. I'm sure it's just got to do with my upbringing, but I am really seeking a way to be more comfortable with this idea as it really turns her on. Let me know.

SD

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Hi there, welcome to the Board.

Here's a classic on this subject, posted by our very own Marquis some time back. You may want to check it out some time. Perhaps you'll find some insight in there to help with your difficulties...

Rape as a Fantasy

By the way--this thread, and MANY others, can be found in our wonderful Library...a great place to browse when you have the time.

Good luck!

~anelize

I'm a sub who loves play rape. Luckily, Sir is generous enough to do this for me fairly often. When we do have a play rape scene, I never know its coming. Sometimes he just tells me to be at his apartment at a certain time, and when I approach his door, he throws a pillow case over my head, ties my arms behind me back and drags me inside. Sometimes, he just grabs me around the throat, and tells me he's going to rape me. But the one thing that all of our play rape scenes have in common is that they are always about my pleasure. This is his gift to me, which I most appreciate. He makes sure that I reach as many orgasms as possible, without a thought for his own until after the scene is over.

I think if you know what turns your girl on, and by now you certainly do, just combine that with a little more forcefullness and control. It's more about being forced to do something with someone who won't take no for an answer, even if its something you would do anyway with someone you want to be with.

lil n said,

//But the one thing that all of our play rape scenes have in common is that they are always about my pleasure. This is his gift to me, which I most appreciate. He makes sure that I reach as many orgasms as possible, without a thought for his own until after the scene is over.//

Just to keep the labels straight, this does not sound like a rape scene. How 'sensitive' can a rapist get?

Personally, in my idiosyncratic and weird view, I'd said it's a set-up, 'overpowerment' scene (note the quotes) done for the pleasure, if not a[t] the request of the self-said sub. The self said 'dom' is diligently carrying out an assignment.

None of this is any comment on how lil n or anyone else gets off: what must be imagined or set up. It's no different from a set-up scene where a 'patient' gets examined by a 'dr.' Maybe lotsa fun.

J.

Pure said:

lil n said,

//But the one thing that all of our play rape scenes have in common is that they are always about my pleasure. This is his gift to me, which I most appreciate. He makes sure that I reach as many orgasms as possible, without a thought for his own until after the scene is over.//

Just to keep the labels straight, this does not sound like a rape scene. How 'sensitive' can a rapist get?

Personally, in my idiosyncratic and weird view, I'd said it's a set-up, 'overpowerment' scene (note the quotes) done for the pleasure, if not a the request of the self-said sub. The self said 'dom' is diligently carrying out an assignment.

None of this is any comment on how lil n or anyone else gets off: what must be imagined or set-up. It's no different from a set up scene where a 'patient' gets examined by a 'dr.' Maybe lotsa fun.

J.

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Let me phrase that better than, give a better explanation. He's not being a "sensitive" rapist. But the whole reason we're having the rape play in the real world is for my pleasure, as a reward for good behavior if you will. That is not to say that he gets nothing from it, but he does it for me because he knows I love it. When it's going on, it's rough, I fight back, he forces me to do degrading and wonderful things. I beg him to stop, and he forces me to cum against my will, telling me the whole time that I only a slut cums from being raped. Does that make more sense?

hmm... interesting feedback.

I don't necessarily feel I can't do it, there's just this place in my brain that can't take it seriously sometimes. Other times I can play along and be semi-rough. I just wondered if other people ever had this problem. I like idea of being in control and being rough, but it really isn't my nature. My question is do you think that you have be a somewhat controlling person to be that way in the bedroom or is it easy for people to just act and do whatever when they are there?

SD

Well personally, I am no actor, so I don't think I could easily play roles that don't have some kind of link to my actual character. But even in that case, it can be hard to act out a fantasy on a real person that I have feelings for. Part of it is because I'm worried about the impression the person i'm with will have of me if i let it all loose, and part of it is that its just hard to be so mean to something you love (even if its just a game).

Well I think I was taught that rape isn't a sexual thing it is a violent thing, so that kinda plays into it more than anything. I mean it's okay to spank someone's ass, but pretending to rape someone is kinda different. I don't mind tying my girlfriend up or putting her in hand cuffs, but that's a little less awkward.

QUESTION FO YOU ALL

I AM A MALE SUB.. IS THERE ANY OTHER MEN OUT THERE THAT DREAM ABOUT BEING RAPED BY WOMEN? I FIND THE THOUGHT OF WOMEN IN POWER RAPING ME A BIG TURN ON...... OR AM I JUST PLAIN SICK?

Submissioning

I believe that a big portion of submissive nature is not of being controlled as much as it is letting go of control to another. I find submission to be a very peaceful and stress-free feeling, even if the given position or detail is not one of comfort right then. When humiliation is overcome by lust there is often a deeper level of intimacy possible.

My man can create more fear with words, his deeds are often far milder than described, but he says it is all in technique, lol. Since to him I am by rite, no matter my mood or task at hand, I am to serve his needs whatever and whenever they may be. But before him I would have never thought such devotion truly possible.

Rape is violent, and whether it is by him or someone or something deployed by him it is an assertion of his control over me. It is the only time I may beg and plead denials, to do so at another time would be a dishonor to him. And it is used regularly by him to serve as a clear remembrance of his power.

I think my arrousel during these times also is a huge turn-on for him too, and he has pushed many limits to acceptance by making them so in this way. Being bound helpless is always my cue that somehow he will take not ask for something of me. I never know if it will be by some object or even where, only then that it will be.

Like many of the other forms of taboo sex play, it is all ok if rooted in the protection of a commited adult to adult relationship. The key is communication, and he would never allow me to be harmed either physically or emotionally.

I know when I have been deserving, and also why he needs to assert some rule or lesson. Trust is rule one though, if its not there then one should not even be there.

And in my experience, like in life going through a fight or flight crisis with another brings caring and love to a level impossible without.

So bring on the rape.

Thank you for posting, X6Q. I found your post fascinating.



Fundy?

I think if you go to this thread, you will find others who feel the same as you or who can offer some insights.

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=206443

sdedalus?
Do what you are comfortable with. Keeping in mind that you are creating a scene and in your words, "pretending," perhaps that brings some comfort. Also, in that you are in control of what happens when you and your gal are playing rough, you know that she isn't going to get hurt.

Again, do what comes comfortably and then, if you want, experiment in small steps.

This is a tough fantasy isn't it? Our morals about rape in general make it tough to really be uninhibited with this kind of play. i guess that accounts for the softer spin put on the actual rape itself.

A while ago, if i recall, there was a debate on the Authors board about a story that depicted a 'no holds barred' recounting of a rape. The story (which i never got a chance to read) seemed to set off many "wait a minute, that's just too far" buttons. This reaction wasn't surprising i guess, but what was intriguing was the debate about what a rape fantasy should constitute. To my way of thinking, a rape fantasy has so many varying levels; from underwear stuffed in his/her mouth and taken (with orgasm for the 'victim') to beaten, brutally taken and left unsatisfied (no orgasm). Much gray area in between the two extremes.

Fantasy, as we all know, is what we make it. If the scene is being played out to the specification of another, as is the case with SD, then sure, there is going to be some awkwardness and uncomfortable feelings involved. Why? Because it isn't his fantasy and he is navigating the waters of another persons head. In addition, his conscience is also being tweaked by engaging in an act (albeit softened to a degree) that goes against his upbringing. It's a good thing to recognize the guilt associated with a rough act. To me, it means You're still human and haven't wandered into sociopath land.

All in all SD, it sounds like a challenging task to complete. As long as the fantasy stays inside the realm of what your partner finds acceptable and pleasurable, i think you'll eventually get the hang of it and may find some enjoyment in it for yourself. Good luck.

lara

Hi, s_lara,

I liked your posting, and there do seem to be a number of fantasies. I've picked three examples in stories, and I'd be interested to know what works, and what's fantasy:
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Dr. Pretty, by wetfille
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=80898

This is a well written, very popular piece that's long on the gratification of the victim; indeed she's awakened. To me, a bit far in the male fantasy as rapist-sextherapist, but what do you think?


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Restaurant Nightmare, by blondfungirl
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=109463

Highly interesting, this one; nicely written, definite elements of 'realism'; lots of 'guck'. This seems to represent a departure from the usual nonconsent in that the 'victims' associates are NOT having a good time, but she's doing OK. Almost as if--is this my imagination--gets off on the brutality, which would be an interesting twist. But she's spared.

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Proud, by Tail_Teller

http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=114752

Seeing that blondefun had opened the doors, I wanted to tell a real dark tale. But see if I could do it with a bit less physical brutality and more mindfuck. The 'prurient' detail, like cup sizes, is minimized. The question remains can something dark have any erotic impact at all. Again, the question of what a 'rape fantasy' looks like. My own modest effort of indeterminate merit.

Excuse the self-promotion, but I did think the contrasts might be relevant to the discussion.

Which work for you, and how, by way of turn-on, if there is any?

TT

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fundy069 said:

I AM A MALE SUB.. IS THERE ANY OTHER MEN OUT THERE THAT DREAM ABOUT BEING RAPED BY WOMEN? I FIND THE THOUGHT OF WOMEN IN POWER RAPING ME A BIG TURN ON...... OR AM I JUST PLAIN SICK?

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Not raped, but I do like to take her Dildo in the ass.

s'lara said:

Fantasy, as we all know, is what we make it. If the scene is being played out to the specification of another, as is the case with SD, then sure, there is going to be some awkwardness and uncomfortable feelings involved. Why? Because it isn't his fantasy and he is navigating the waters of another persons head. In addition, his conscience is also being tweaked by engaging in an act (albeit softened to a degree) that goes against his upbringing. It's a good thing to recognize the guilt associated with a rough act. To me, it means You're still human and haven't wandered into sociopath land.

All in all SD, it sounds like a challenging task to complete. As long as the fantasy stays inside the realm of what your partner finds acceptable and pleasurable, i think you'll eventually get the hang of it and may find some enjoyment in it for yourself. Good luck.

lara

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I think that has a lot to do with it. Great response, thanks.

THANK YOU MISSTAKEN THAT IS A GREAT PAGE.

tail_teller said:

Hi, s_lara,

I liked your posting, and there do seem to be a number of fantasies. I've picked three examples in stories, and I'd be interested to know what works, and what's fantasy:
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Dr. Pretty, by wetfille
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=80898

This is a well written, very popular piece that's long on the gratification of the victim; indeed she's awakened. To me, a bit far in the male fantasy as rapist-sextherapist, but what do you think?


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Restaurant Nightmare, by blondfungirl
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=109463

Highly interesting, this one; nicely written, definite elements of 'realism'; lots of 'guck'. This seems to represent a departure from the usual nonconsent in that the 'victims' associates are NOT having a good time, but she's doing OK. Almost as if--is this my imagination--gets off on the brutality, which would be an interesting twist. But she's spared.

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Proud, by Tail_Teller

Seeing that blondefun had opened the doors, I wanted to tell a real dark tale. But see if I could do it with a bit less physical brutality and more mindfuck. The 'prurient' detail, like cup sizes, is minimized. The question remains can something dark have any erotic impact at all. Again, the question of what a 'rape fantasy' looks like. My own modest effort of indeterminate merit.

Excuse the self-promotion, but I did think the contrasts might be relevant to the discussion.

Which work for you, and how, by way of turn-on, if there is any?

TT

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Hello TT -

Thanks for supplying the stories. i'll be honest and admit i haven't read through them thoroughly, but i can give my own impression of what works for a rape story. Disclaimer: These aren't critiques of the stories or the author's style of writing. i am in no way an authority on what stories are first rate in the rape category. Also, the stories are fantasy and whether they work is completely subjective. What one finds hot another might find repulsive. As such, i can only opine on what works for me and that will be on a limited basis. What arouses me isn't for public consumption. End disclaimer.

Dr. Pretty - my skim of the first two pages showed a highly erotic story much centered around the physical and mental surrender of the femme psychiatrist. Classic "taking down haughty, proud femme with an inner animal she is unaware of until helpless at the hands of her subduer." i think i saw her reach a level of release (orgasm and supplication at the rapists manipulations). While this story begins with a forced sexual act, it quickly descends into gratification for the victim and imo, i don't think rape is about the sexual gratification for the victim at all. Actually, from what i've read, rape isn't about sex ... it's about power. This story focuses on a) the sexual gratification for both parties and b) the ensuing domination of the psychiatrist. i'm not saying that doesn't work for an erotic story ... i think it works well. Particularly the domination part, but then again as a submissive i would like that part.

Restaurant Nightmare - i have to admit, i don't think i made it past the mustard scene. That kind of made it humorous to me. Aside from that, the story seemed rough, without regard for the victim's gratification. No, the ladies don't seem to have too much damage and a lot of their horror/agony is down played. This has a rougher spin and i think most people, when reading non-consent stories, expect a little roughness if not a lot of it.

Proud - i won't say much about your story except to say the mf (mindf*ck) of the victim and breaking her down was quite a spin. This story evoked thoughts of child-like cruelty in the main character. Then, once the sadistic part of him caught fire, he ran with the power of stripping the victim emotionally and not just through the forced sexual act ... he got inside her head and exploited some painful feelings/emotions for his pleasure only. Truly a sadistic act. However, i did get a feeling of remorse from him as well. That could be you, the writer, being uncomfortable with writing a character who finds sexual/emotional cruelty as a turn on. *shrugs*

Those are my thoughts.

lara

Hi Lara,

I found what I consider to be a 'classic' nonconsent story--of the kind the category was supposedly designed for. I don't think Dr. Pretty is exactly it.

Pit Stop, by Suomynona

http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=111728

It's a bit trite at first, but gets really dirty. Extreme turn-on for the lady in question, assaulted while taking a pee in the restroom of a gas station.

Here's what's odd, if I may entend dedalus inquiry. The piece is totally unbelievable, obvious male fantasy. But it did turn my crank (and i'm sure, others). I wonder why? is it that a guy wants his cake and eat too; being forceful, etc., even in unknown territory (not in a setup like dedalus described) and being responded to, causing multiorgasms etc. _being thanked by a grateful woman_.

PS, does the story do anything for you. ?? For any other women readers of this posting? Does it correspond to a female fantasy in any way?

In my stories I love to play with the concept of non-consent sex/mock rape. It can create the right suspense that erotic stories often lack...

Based on the comments I receive, I have found that especially female readers are attracted to this very much.

I hope you forgive me this shameless plug:

The Cave, by Wolf2002
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=83090

If you like really hard stuff, you might want to try this one, by a very gifted writer. It is a little on the edge for me:

Wild Life, by LadyPhoenix
http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=16875


Edited because I posted the wrong damn link

Wild Life, by LadyPhoenix


Thanks for the rec., wolf. It's well written, fairly harsh (for jaded souls), but relatively straightforward. Does not get into anyone's mind, particularly, and is long on the 'prurient detail.' The ending is odd; not sure if it's believable.

For some reason it was less of a turn on for me, than "Pit Stop", whose URL I posted.

J.

Pure said:

Hi Lara,

I found what I consider to be a 'classic' nonconsent story--of the kind the category was supposedly designed for. I don't think Dr. Pretty is exactly it.

Pit Stop, by Suomynona

http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=111728

It's a bit trite at first, but gets really dirty. Extreme turn-on for the lady in question, assaulted while taking a pee in the restroom of a gas station.

Here's what's odd, if I may entend dedalus inquiry. The piece is totally unbelievable, obvious male fantasy. But it did turn my crank (and i'm sure, others). I wonder why? is it that a guy wants his cake and eat too; being forceful, etc., even in unknown territory (not in a setup like dedalus described) and being responded to, causing multiorgasms etc. _being thanked by a grateful woman_.

PS, does the story do anything for you. ?? For any other women readers of this posting? Does it correspond to a female fantasy in any way?

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Hi Pure -

Thanks for posting the link above. Again, i didn't read the entire story but what i did read was consistent with your description.

The domination might be the crank turner as well as her accepting/enjoying the forced sexual act. Could also be that her resulting "turn to the dark side" is what spins the wheels. The sexual humiliation and eventual satisfaction of the 'victim' takes away from the brutality of the act. Particularly the satisfaction. It softens the viciousness/evilness of the rapist if he can make the victim enjoy it ... especially if she enjoys it against her will. Not so vile an act if she reaches orgasm and then begs for more.

As for whether it works for me, i don't really have an opinion. i'm not representative of a body of women who peruse rape stories. So, i wouldn't call myself an aficianado and can't really provide a comparative opinion. i appreciate the query though and hope others can provide a more informed viewpoint than myself.

lara

Woman's Fancy

I think the primal desire for some, those too who find safety and security comforting, is to push the envelope sexually. The mind is the first place to reach, before the physical seduction, well before the final surrender.

In the real politically correct world such things as slave and Master are still taboo. Power exchanges of any kind are often seen as devient even abhorant by some. The one who chooses to become helpless and subserviant must be as insane as the one who gets off seeing tears of another.

Excitement by humiliation is a very private and personal issue, I believe it can break the weak. Enduring the torment of pleasure, being made to accept with ones own mind what the body is unable to deny. Having your essence of known sexual worth stolen, becoming an animal, having to face physical lust by force. These are the things that drive many's desire's.

The specifics of anothers hidden needs are so varied, but in discussing them what wonderful discoveries are made. I myself have been made to endure something presented to my man that intrigues him, something previously unthought of or rather abhorant to. My man feels that raping is power and ownership for self-gratification, and by rite his to do.

We have spent hours talking about the stories and threads here. I am happy because it means I can come here when I like and learn, about my own fantasies. He likes hearing what excites me, and stored for future refense he claims.