Gunplay

I was wondering if anyone else here partakes in this rather controversial activity?

It's been a fantasy of mine for years and years - and years. One of my first ever sexual fantasies involved a mysterious stranger with a gun. I'd filed it away as impossible - thinking I would never meet anyone who was both skilled with a firearm (and sane enough to know how far to push with it), but yet willing to play at that level, a level most people reject as not worth the risk.

I finally found someone who fullfilled both those requirements, and playing with him was absolutely amazing. Total fear, exhilaration, lust, submission... and trust. And intimacy. Sharing something like that with someone is - I wish I had the words, but I think my brain is still semi-scrambled. It was intense. And... it was fun. It was SO much fun

Anyone else played like this? Anyone? Bueller?

I would not, never would, etc. Very few people who are truly skilled with a firearm would ever consider doing this, precisely because of the various things one learns about safety and the various mantras of correct handling which may seem like overkill but actually work. People will urge you to think of Brandon Lee and tell you "only point it at that which you are willing to destroy" and I think those are fairly good points.

One suggestion though, to make this patently unsafe activity a bit safer, you probably know this but someone else might not.

Don't ever take it out of private environments. Ever ever ever. It's the one form of activity I can think of that gets exponentially more dangerous with more people possibly witnessing it.

A lot can go wrong. Especially if your partner uses the weapon for other purposes especially self defense. If you look at a lot of accidental shootings among police, it is during training. Specifically, everyone unloads their weapons for training in the morning and trains for several hours. Ammo is usually locked separately. At lunch, everyone loads back up in case something happens on the street. After lunch, someone forgets to unload and you have an accidental shooting of a role player.

My recommendation would be to get a realistic airsoft replica.

If a real gun is "mandatory" for the fantasy, go for a weapon like a Glock where the striker (Glocks don't have a firing pin) can be removed relatively easily. Have that be your dedicated "fun" gun.

Having the gun actually loaded and able to fire is not worth the risk. Ever.

See:
http://www.policeone.com/news/1208969-Involuntary-Firearms-Discharge-Does-the-finger-obey-the-brain/

Seriously. When running a fantasy rape/domination/whathaveyou scene, limbs can go flying. Think about a "struggle" and how the accidental discharges above took place.

Having the gun actually loaded and able to fire is not worth the risk. Ever.

Having the gun actually loaded and able to fire is not worth the risk. Ever.

An Airsoft wouldn't do anything for me. I would know it's a piece of plastic and about as threatening as a Nerf gun.

I do think it's interesting how we look at risk. There are a lot of people who enjoy rape roleplay - and this includes a lot of real-life rape victims. Each time a couple plays, when one of them has been raped for real, there is the potential for things to go horribly, horribly wrong. No matter how much she (or he) assures you that she wants this, she likes it... no matter how many times you've played before - who's to say she won't freak out and become traumatised this time? Who's to say she won't become so traumatised that she forgets the safeword? And who's to say that after that, she won't be permanently damaged - emotionally, mentally - all from a night of play?

It is a risk. And you might say "Well yes, but she wouldn't end up dead" - she would if she committed suicide afterwards, because her last bastion of safety - you - turned into just another attacker. Which is a real possibility. Even if not, she could be emotionally scarred for years - for life.

Anyone who plays with real life rape victims in that regard takes that chance EVERY time they play. They minimize the risk - "We have a safeword. We've done this for years. I know her. I'd be able to tell if she was freaking out", but in truth none of those things are guaranteed.

We take the risks we take, some of them pretty big risks - and we decide for ourselves how dangerous what we're doing is, and how the risk can be mitigated. And whether the rewards are worth it.

To myself and my play partner, the risks can be mitigated, and the rewards far outweigh them.


That said, I appreciate and respect everyone's opinions It'll be interesting to see if I'm the only gunplayer here.

The person I am playing with is an ex-Marine and in his current occupation deals with firearms everyday. He knows how to be gun safe, it's been drilled into him for years - in fact, he told me he has to fight against that training to play. In his words, "My military side says hell no, but my kink side says fuck yes".

One thing - there are obviously ways to be safer - I don't think either of us would do it in a serious struggle situation with flying limbs. But with the bottom more secured and/or compliant, it's less of a risk.

I know there is some risk involved (as there is in a lot of other BDSM play, to various degrees)... but there is really nothing like looking down and seeing a loaded weapon jammed into your neck so hard it's pushing the slide back.

Netzach - would never take it in public. It's just me & him, somewhere very private.

Well Pachet, I hate to be the only other one, for your sake, not mine, but Sir and I have done role play with a real pistol. It is a West German, Sig Sauer, P226, Sir informs me. Sir spent 20 years with an elite German police agency that morphed into a military unit. He has forgotten more than most people, even police officers or soldiers, know about guns. He has taught me to shoot, and I had never shot a gun before in my life and I was deathly afraid of them, I no longer am. So flame away, whatever, but he has me double check that the gun is "clear" (unloaded), after he has checked, before we start. I am 110% confident that can verify the pistol is unloaded, it's very easy to tell really. Pachet, I assume you are an adult and you value your and your playmate's life enough to take the necessary precautions. As with all of our "games" it is not something we do regularly, it is one of 20 or more different activities we do on a rotating (his) schedule. The times we have done it have been very intense and I was afraid that I wouldn't be able to immerse myself in the role, but once it starts, I totally get into it.

This is interesting... because in many countries, gun ownership is either illegal or strictly controlled. So I wonder if cultural factors play into this. Well, obviously... it probably does.

Pachet said:

... but there is really nothing like looking down and seeing a loaded weapon jammed into your neck so hard it's pushing the slide back...

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Seriously? You're doing this with a loaded weapon? That is well past the realm of stupid.

I don't see any issue at all with doing this kind of play with an UNLOADED firearm. Even have a few fantasy scenes of my own I'd like to play out one day. But the weapon would be clear, she would confirm that it is clear, and any bullets in the house would be put away in a locker/safe.

As for the "never point a gun at someone unless you intend to shoot" concept. That's mainly a law enforcement thing, as they have to be weary of innocent civilians and public policies. As an ex-military member, I was trained to look with my weapon, which in potential or actual combat environments, will involve pointing at people I don't intend to shoot. I can't think of anything further from the truth, that my training might dissuade me from engaging in "gunplay" either in a sexual context or other. On the contrary, my training makes me feel more comfortable handling a firearm an any instance. Any recreational use of a firearm that doesn't involve shooting it, would be done with it unloaded. If one is not smart enough, competent enough, or otherwise capable of unloading a firearm, then they shouldn't be allowed to have one in the first place.

Once more OP, if you and your Marine are really playing with a loaded weapon, in addition to being complete morons, you're the kind of people that give responsible gun owners a bad reputation.

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Once more OP, if you and your Marine are really playing with a loaded weapon, in addition to being complete morons, you're the kind of people that give responsible gun owners a bad reputation.

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Yeah, forget them, I'm thinking of when it goes off, flies through the wall or a window, and hits someone they don't even know.

How's that for nonconsensually involving others in your kink?

KoPilot said:

Yeah, forget them, I'm thinking of when it goes off, flies through the wall or a window, and hits someone they don't even know.

How's that for nonconsensually involving others in your kink?

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It's not done where that could happen

Cognitive dissonance. It truly is magic, isn't it?

Don't fuck about with guns-there's no going back. I think I just invented the eleventh commandment. Go buy some nipple clamps instead.

I can't take nipple clamps - way too sensitive.

Besides, they're not really a substitute for what we do.

Pachet said:

An Airsoft wouldn't do anything for me. I would know it's a piece of plastic and about as threatening as a Nerf gun.

I do think it's interesting how we look at risk. There are a lot of people who enjoy rape roleplay - and this includes a lot of real-life rape victims. Each time a couple plays, when one of them has been raped for real, there is the potential for things to go horribly, horribly wrong. No matter how much she (or he) assures you that she wants this, she likes it... no matter how many times you've played before - who's to say she won't freak out and become traumatised this time? Who's to say she won't become so traumatised that she forgets the safeword? And who's to say that after that, she won't be permanently damaged - emotionally, mentally - all from a night of play?

It is a risk. And you might say "Well yes, but she wouldn't end up dead" - she I would if she committed suicide afterwards, because her last bastion of safety - you - turned into just another attacker. Which is a real possibility. Even if not, she could be emotionally scarred for years - for life.

Anyone who plays with real life rape victims in that regard takes that chance EVERY time they play. They minimize the risk - "We have a safeword. We've done this for years. I know her. I'd be able to tell if she was freaking out", but in truth none of those things are guaranteed.

We take the risks we take, some of them pretty big risks - and we decide for ourselves how dangerous what we're doing is, and how the risk can be mitigated. And whether the rewards are worth it.

To myself and my play partner, the risks can be mitigated, and the rewards far outweigh them.


That said, I appreciate and respect everyone's opinions It'll be interesting to see if I'm the only gunplayer here.

The person I am playing with is an ex-Marine and in his current occupation deals with firearms everyday. He knows how to be gun safe, it's been drilled into him for years - in fact, he told me he has to fight against that training to play. In his words, "My military side says hell no, but my kink side says fuck yes".

One thing - there are obviously ways to be safer - I don't think either of us would do it in a serious struggle situation with flying limbs. But with the bottom more secured and/or compliant, it's less of a risk.

I know there is some risk involved (as there is in a lot of other BDSM play, to various degrees)... but there is really nothing like looking down and seeing a loaded weapon jammed into your neck so hard it's pushing the slide back.

Netzach - would never take it in public. It's just me & him, somewhere very private.

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I only read your first post first time around, so, for once, I'm joining the dog pile rather than being on the bottom . Are you Fing serious? I know there are a lot of stupid people out there, but this puts you at the top of the list. I agree that if something goes wrong, you not only put gun owners in a bad light, but us BDSM folk too .

And you know what? It's really weird, but being insulted, put down & called names really makes me want to stop!

...not.


Besides, R.A.C.K.

I notice no one commented on the risk of rape roleplay. Because it's really important to overreact to the risk of BDSM activities we disagree with, and minimize the risk of the ones we like.

"Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go."
-T.S. Eliot

Pachet said:

And you know what? It's really weird, but being insulted, put down & called names really makes me want to stop!

...not.


Besides, R.A.C.K.

I notice no one commented on the risk of rape roleplay. Because it's really important to overreact to the risk of BDSM activities we disagree with, and minimize the risk of the ones we like.

"Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go."
-T.S. Eliot

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Uh, yes, we comment on the risk of things like rape and drug play. You would know if you actually hung out here for a while instead of gushing about how safe your loaded firearm play is.

The difference that you seem to fail to grasp, through your fog of mindless giddiness, is that you can't kill a passerby with rape play. Or blood play. Or breath play. Putting your own life at risk is one thing, but claiming that what you're doing is 100% safe for anyone else is just the epitome of self-righteous delusion.

KoPilot said:

Uh, yes, we comment on the risk of things like rape and drug play. You would know if you actually hung out here for a while instead of gushing about how safe your loaded firearm play is.

The difference that you seem to fail to grasp, through your fog of mindless giddiness, is that you can't kill a passerby with rape play. Or blood play. Or breath play. Putting your own life at risk is one thing, but claiming that what you're doing is 100% safe for anyone else is just the epitome of self-righteous delusion.

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What part of "we don't do it around others", don't you understand? How many times do I have to say it for it to sink in?

And when did I EVER say "gunplay is 100% safe for everyone"? Now you're just making things up out of thin air. That's called a straw man, and it's a pretty universally despised debate tactic.

And yes, I know there are other threads about rape play - I've actually read this forum for a LONG time. I realize I only have a few posts, but I've been reading for ages. What I meant was comment on what I said about rape play specifically in regards to the subject of risk. Because like I said, we do minimize the risks of the things we like - even I do it, i can admit that - and magnify the risks of things we don't.

Btw, hyperbole doesn't add to a discussion. I didn't "gush" about how safe my loaded firearm play is. I said he's not some cretin - he's a Marine with quite a bit of gun training. He is about as skilled and safe with a gun as someone can be. I said there are risks, but they can be managed, and that the rewards are worth the risk TO US.

I'm sorry my 'giddiness' offends you... Wait - no, sorry, I'm not sorry.

OP, PLEASE tell me neither of you has children?

WhenInDoubtFuck said:

Once more OP, if you and your Marine are really playing with a loaded weapon, in addition to being complete morons, you're the kind of people that give responsible gun owners a bad reputation.

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Definitely. Now what were you all saying about how gun owners are safe, responsible folks and that guns are just tools for hunting and self protection?

Also, I'd love to know what the Marine Corps would think about this. (I'm guessing shame).

I always wondered if our member sigsauerprincess was into things like this, or she just liked guns generally.

Logic, OP, fled from this conversation a while ago.

But if you'd like to go that route... you just said yourself it's not 100% safe. How is it possible that you can make the claim that it's 100% safe for anyone else? That's not even a logical fallacy, that's just idiocy.

KoPilot said:

Logic, OP, fled from this conversation a while ago.

But if you'd like to go that route... you just said yourself it's not 100% safe. How is it possible that you can make the claim that it's 100% safe for anyone else? That's not even a logical fallacy, that's just idiocy.

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dude.. you're tripping. Please QUOTE where I said "gunplay is 100% safe". or STFU.

Pachet said:

dude.. you're tripping. Please QUOTE where I said "gunplay is 100% safe". or STFU.

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Oh, okay, so

"we don't do it around others"

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doesn't mean that you're playing in a way that's guaranteed to not hurt anyone else? Just sort of? As in, there's going to be a risk to the life of everyone who is in your area and that's just too bad for them because you gotta get your jollies? Did you get everyone within a 2-mile radius of you to sign a waiver or something?

Because I thought you were trying to reassure me of how wrong I was when I said "hey, this is really stupid and someone else could get hurt", but apparently "we don't do it around others" doesn't actually mean anything!

I think it's just this really perplexing attitude of "how dare you be concerned for the lives and safety of other people when I have ORGASMS TO TALK ABOUT HERE" that is tripping me up

KoPilot said:

I think it's just this really perplexing attitude of "how dare you be concerned for the lives and safety of other people when I have ORGASMS TO TALK ABOUT HERE" that is tripping me up

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Tripping you up? You're straight up tripping. I never said that or even insinuated it. You said you were worried about passerby's safety. I told you we don't do it around other people. I never got upset at you or anyone for questioning whether we play around people. I answered your question - said we don't - and you proceeded to keep making comments to the effect that we DO. When I told you we DONT.

He has property in the middle of nowhere. It's remote enough that he can target shoot there. THERE'S NO ONE AROUND TO BE HIT.

I don't know how else to explain it to you so you get it?

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Oh, okay, so



doesn't mean that you're playing in a way that's guaranteed to not hurt anyone else? Just sort of? As in, there's going to be a risk to the life of everyone who is in your area and that's just too bad for them because you gotta get your jollies? Did you get everyone within a 2-mile radius of you to sign a waiver or something?

Because I thought you were trying to reassure me of how wrong I was when I said "hey, this is really stupid and someone else could get hurt", but apparently "we don't do it around others" doesn't actually mean anything!

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Your logic is really weird.

This is interesting. I never knew gun play was a thing. (I should probably err on the side that EVERYTHING under the sun may be kinkified!)

Is this a loaded firearm we are talking about? If so, then I just cannot make that okay in my mind because guns, whatever they may do for you, are not toys. I'm sure it isn't anyone's intention to put Pachet down, but safety is so very important and the risks are dire. Has anyone seen someone shot before? I have and I assure you that it is very much the opposite of sexy.