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Old 04-07-2013, 08:34 PM   #26
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The fuck you did, the term wasn't invented to describe the people in the genre, it was a tongue in cheek name given to a style of writing.

You puffed up blowhards making shit up, just look stupid, sorry.

Sometimes you need wings to stay above the shit posted here, and yes, I'll "Move along" asshat.
Funny. You must amuse yourself.

"Steampunk" was applied to a genre of fiction, and later adapted to include those who mocked themselves up in that fashion. If you knew anything about it, and bothered to look it up, you might already know that. It's a sub-cultural fashion fetish now, not just a genre.
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Old 04-08-2013, 05:20 AM   #27
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Yeah, "punk" is a misnomer in the case of most steampunk. It seems to have been considered a synonym for "fashion, overall way of life" which it is not.
I'd have guessed it came from "like cyberpunk, only in the Steam Age"?
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Funny. You must amuse yourself.

"Steampunk" was applied to a genre of fiction, and later adapted to include those who mocked themselves up in that fashion. If you knew anything about it, and bothered to look it up, you might already know that. It's a sub-cultural fashion fetish now, not just a genre.
"Steampunk" was applied to a genre of fiction; an alternate past.

From Wiki: Although many works now considered seminal to the genre were published in the 1960s and 1970s, the term steampunk originated in the late 1980s as a tongue in cheek variant of cyberpunk. It seems to have been coined by science fiction author K. W. Jeter, who was trying to find a general term for works by Tim Powers (The Anubis Gates, 1983); James Blaylock (Homunculus, 1986); and himself (Morlock Night, 1979, and Infernal Devices, 1987)—all of which took place in a 19th-century (usually Victorian) setting and imitated conventions of such actual Victorian speculative fiction as H. G. Wells' The Time Machine.
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I'm confused, I said it was from fictional works of literature, he said it was a term used to describe nose thumbing youth. He later changes his story, and I'm the one that didn't know anything?

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"Steampunk" was applied to a genre of fiction; an alternate past.

From Wiki: Although many works now considered seminal to the genre were published in the 1960s and 1970s, the term steampunk originated in the late 1980s as a tongue in cheek variant of cyberpunk. It seems to have been coined by science fiction author K. W. Jeter, who was trying to find a general term for works by Tim Powers (The Anubis Gates, 1983); James Blaylock (Homunculus, 1986); and himself (Morlock Night, 1979, and Infernal Devices, 1987)—all of which took place in a 19th-century (usually Victorian) setting and imitated conventions of such actual Victorian speculative fiction as H. G. Wells' The Time Machine.
Yeah, it's really exploded in recent years, and has gone off in a variety of tangents. There's been a habit to lump into the steampunk genre anything that takes place in the latter half of the 19th century and that makes use of "advanced" mechanical, steam, and analog technology. Wild Wild West, for instance, is considered by some people to be steampunk.

Like any kind of genre, there will be arguments about what is and what isn't included in it. Obviously.

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then there is diesel punk...
Okay, I've seen this term used, along with Clockpunk. Dieselpunk seems to be centered around the 1920s and 1930s. Clockpunk looks like it takes place in an earlier time frame, like the mid to late Renaissance. But that's just from a quick Google search. I've done a lot more looking into straight Steampunk.

Dieselpunk sounds interesting, just from what I found. I can see a sort of mash-up with Indiana Jones and Metropolis in a dieselpunk background.
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I'm confused, I said it was from fictional works of literature, he said it was a term used to describe nose thumbing youth. He later changes his story, and I'm the one that didn't know anything?
You don't, because (1) you totally misread what Slyc said, (2) you were rude without cause and (3) you offered no explanation or evidence to prove that you were well researched as compared to Slyc.

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Considering that the term "steampunk" is in reference to thumbing one's nose against the conventions of the time, I'd say this is spot on.
First, point out anywhere in that sentence that it says "nose thumbing youth." Do you see the word "youth? I don't. Sticking to what was said, thematically Slyc would appear to be spot-on right, at least from what I've read.

From Gibson and Sterling's "The Difference Engine," where one of the main characters (Ada Lovelace--aka Sybil) defies the conventions of society and seeks revenge for the wrongs done to her unique father, to Alan Moore's "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" where all the anti-heros are outside of the law (and conventional society), yet brought into it to serve it, and yet must defy it again to win against the larger threat (ironically) to preserve conventional society...from one end of Steampunk to the other, the characters thumb their noses at the conventions of their society. They do this in dress, in attitude, in what they create, how they live, how they think and feel and act.

Now we can certainly argue that "thumbing ones nose at convention" is not the *only* theme in Steampunk. Good genres have more than one theme. However, it is most certain one of its themes and a powerful one, as our modern society has less conventions. Using the "Steam" era allows the writer to better explore the individual's battle against the dictates and expectations of a very strict society. And it does this at a time when there was a remarkable dichotomy in society between its love of remarkable individuals (inventors, scientists and such), but also it's revulsion of any personal individuality that might go against convention (this included something as innocuous as divorce if you know anything about Dickens and how his desire to divorce his wife shocked friends and readers).

So, I would say Slyc is right. Now let's move on to why I believed Slyc over you....

Take a look at what I did there, presenting examples and explanations--without personally attacking you. You could have done the same in your posts. You could have said, "I disagree that this is what Steampunk is about because in X, Y and Z books, this seems to be the theme...." Explaining it this way would have given us the feeling that you knew--and know--what you're talking about. But you haven't offered any such evidence to support your claim. You simply assert that you have done the research (why should we take your word for it) and that Slyc has not (Slyc has proven, time and again, to be intelligent, well-read, well-informed. Slyc has pretty strong cache with us and can draw upon it. So why shouldn't we believe Slyc?).

Furthermore, Slyc offered some explanation--you did not. Slyc also wasn't rude and obnoxious to anyone other than you in response to your rudeness. Personally attacking someone rather than their argument, without cause, takes away believability points. And, finally, from what you said above (that Slyc was talking about "youth") it seems you misread or misunderstood what Slyc said. Not reading carefully what was said also takes away believability points.

If you would care to present a courteous and well researched objection to Slyc's observation--i.e. if you were to explain to us why Steampunk is not about thumbing ones nose at conventions (presumably society's conventions), we'll happily listen to what you have to say. And then we might be willing to believe you as much as we believe Slyc.

But understand, unwarranted personal attacks give you an instant credibility problem even if the other person makes mistakes. And starting a flame war over the definition of Steampunk...why? What sort of credibility or consideration did you expect that to buy you?
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3, I'm feeling a bit embarrassed by what you posted. I was just ignoring him and willing to let him flitter away. Still, you made me smile. Thank you.
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Would that be Amishpunk?
Could be. Saw that last week on a Bahamas cruise. A young Amish couple, all decked out in what they wear, coming aboard and going to a junior suite on our deck. She shy, he acting like he should know what he's doing, but obviously didn't. (Thought of projecting and writing a story about what they did behind closed doors, but she looked underage and he looked not much older. Good-looking pair, though.) Quite evidently on their honeymoon. The next six days dressed like punk rockers and hitting the casino hard. Seventh day, as we docked, back in the Amish clothes and looking very demure.
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Could be. Saw that last week on a Bahamas cruise. A young Amish couple, all decked out in what they wear, coming aboard and going to a junior suite on our deck. She shy, he acting like he should know what he's doing, but obviously didn't. (Though of projecting and writing a story about what they did behind closed doors, but she looked underage and he looked not much older. Good-looking pair, though.) Quite evidently on their honeymoon. The next six days dressed like punk rockers and hitting the casino hard. Seventh day, as we docked, back in the Amish clothes and looking very demure.
From what I understand, that's not exactly frowned upon. I know that (I think when they turn 18) at a certain point, they are encouraged to go out into the world, drive cars, watch TV, listen to music, so on and so on, and are always welcomed back when they decide to return. I believe most of them do come back and are apparently happy to live out their life as Amish citizens.

But that's a great story, and agree it's a great premise for erotica.
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I'm fanning myself just thinking about it. However, I have so little real knowledge of Amish culture that I wouldn't touch it. However, if one of the talented people in this forum were to take the challenge, I'd sure read it!

As one who dabbles in a quasi-steampunk genre, I take it to mean a sort of XIX Century science fiction where, if you take several historically verifiable possibilities (that didn't happen but could) and run them together you have a very interesting world in which to play naughty games. So for that reason I am happy to call the originally posted transvestite a Steampunker and might well find a place for her among The Copulist Caper series.
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I'm fanning myself just thinking about it. However, I have so little real knowledge of Amish culture that I wouldn't touch it. However, if one of the talented people in this forum were to take the challenge, I'd sure read it!

As one who dabbles in a quasi-steampunk genre, I take it to mean a sort of XIX Century science fiction where, if you take several historically verifiable possibilities (that didn't happen but could) and run them together you have a very interesting world in which to play naughty games. So for that reason I am happy to call the originally posted transvestite a Steampunker and might well find a place for her among The Copulist Caper series.
I got interested in steampunk about two years ago, while looking for an original background for a PC game I'm designing (that's what I'm getting my new degree in), and what you wrote is pretty much the same take I had on it. I read a lot of the books and drew from such sources as League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, and went to several conventions near here. There is a lot of reverence for Jules Verne among steampunks who live the lifestyle; many of them consider him the real father of steampunk, even though the term didn't exist then. For Verne, he was just writing some of the first stories of what would later become known as science fiction.

I like the aspect of taking technology from the later 19th century and expanding upon it, imagining how our world would have evolved without the advent of plastics. For me, that's really the demarcation line between steampunk technology and modern technology. Without plastics, we would not have developed microtechnology, would not have digital technology. Ours would still be a very turn-of-the-century dirty, industrial society. There's a strange sort of romance in that.
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I'm fanning myself just thinking about it. However, I have so little real knowledge of Amish culture that I wouldn't touch it. However, if one of the talented people in this forum were to take the challenge, I'd sure read it!
If I wrote it, I'd have some slick shyster take the young Amish man aside from his honeymoon and convince him that he preferred men (or alternately, a cougar latch on to him and wow him with the sexual tricks she could put him through)--and have those two waltz off the ship together with the families of two Amish honeymooners waiting at the bottom of the gangplank to put their couple back in the buggy. The Amish elders wouldn't even recognize what the young Amish man had become in the short span of the cruise as he passed them by arm and arm with his new lover and climbed into his/her limousine for the trip back into the big city to be paraded around jaded society as arm candy.

But, then, none of you would want to read that.
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If I wrote it, I'd have some slick shyster take the young Amish man aside from his honeymoon and convince him that he preferred men (or alternately, a cougar latch on to him and wow him with the sexual tricks she could put him through)--and have those two waltz off the ship together with the families of two Amish honeymooners waiting at the bottom of the gangplank to put their couple back in the buggy. The Amish elders wouldn't even recognize what the young Amish man had become in the short span of the cruise as he passed them by arm and arm with his new lover and climbed into his/her limousine for the trip back into the big city to be paraded around jaded society as arm candy.

But, then, none of you would want to read that.
Hey, don't sell us short. I love a good dose of irony.

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Yeah, it's really exploded in recent years, and has gone off in a variety of tangents. There's been a habit to lump into the steampunk genre anything that takes place in the latter half of the 19th century and that makes use of "advanced" mechanical, steam, and analog technology. Wild Wild West, for instance, is considered by some people to be steampunk.

Like any kind of genre, there will be arguments about what is and what isn't included in it. Obviously.



Okay, I've seen this term used, along with Clockpunk. Dieselpunk seems to be centered around the 1920s and 1930s. Clockpunk looks like it takes place in an earlier time frame, like the mid to late Renaissance. But that's just from a quick Google search. I've done a lot more looking into straight Steampunk.

Dieselpunk sounds interesting, just from what I found. I can see a sort of mash-up with Indiana Jones and Metropolis in a dieselpunk background.
A lot of styles I see referred as steampunk these days seem to be a mixed of steampunk, diesel punk and goth. My usual steampunk garb is late victorian/early edwardian clothing with some aspect of futurist, mechanical metal, and such, but often with unfinished hems and dark, torn edges, and other aspects that are more diesel/goth than steam age.
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A lot of styles I see referred as steampunk these days seem to be a mixed of steampunk, diesel punk and goth. My usual steampunk garb is late victorian/early edwardian clothing with some aspect of futurist, mechanical metal, and such, but often with unfinished hems and dark, torn edges, and other aspects that are more diesel/goth than steam age.
I can see that. However, from what I've encountered at conventions here, there seems to be a lot of clean edges. Most steampunk aficionados I've met adopt very lofty-sounding names ("Sir Thomas Regalheart, Adventurer Extraordinaire" is one such character I remember) that coordinate with a sense of 19th-century wealth, and thus make the effort to look very dignified without any torn edges and such. But that's just one aspect of it, and yours is another.

I've heard more than a few times steampunk and goth being mentioned in the same breath. I suppose there are some similarities, not that I've looked to deeply into Goth.
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dare you to write it.
I probably will--after I've finished the ones I'm working on now (which also are derived from that cruise). I think I prefer the cougar version, and my muse has dropped a story thread to let the young wife have some fun on the side too.
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I probably will--after I've finished the ones I'm working on now (which also are derived from that cruise). I think I prefer the cougar version, and my muse has dropped a story thread to let the young wife have some fun on the side too.
I may do the flip side, then. Maybe the young wife isn't as innocent as she seems, and the new groom needs a few lessons . . .

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I dare you to write it.
A cougar version, "Amish Honeymoon Cruise" in the Mature category, is written and posted on 18 April:

http://www.literotica.com/s/amish-honeymoon-cruise

looking forward to seeing your gay(?) version.
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