milking - how to ejaculate the sperm without orgasm?

[subbiq]

Hi,
first, I am not a native english speaker, so sorry for my mistakes.

I would like to ask you haw to provide milking. I want to ejaculate without the climax. I tried with my wife to massage prostate (external massage in area between penis and anal) without touching the penis. The penis was without erection and about 20 minutes of massage I started to feel "something" in the area of prostate. The feeling was stronger and stronger but it grew very very slowly (not as a usual feeling during masturbation). It finished with ejaculation with orgasm (the was erect during the sperm ejaculated only to 50 %)

My question is. What we did wrong? THe orgasm was not a goal. We wanted only drain the sperm.

Thanks a lot for any advice

[Nero-1]

The prostate is internal. The way to massage it is to insert a finger or a toy into your anus and massage the prostate internally.

It is not possible to accomplish this without insertion. Still feels good the way you did it

[BrummieDoug]

Hi.
I prefer something firm in the butt and pressing on the prostate, with a left to right movement, that way it will flow uncontrolably.

[subbiq]

Hi Nero, thanks for your reply,

I do not agree that massage can be done only internaly.

I found a lot of material on internet that the massage can be made also externaly:


For example:

External Prostate Massage

- When you are going in for external prostate massage, it is important to ensure that the nails are perfectly clean and trimmed. It is possible to access the prostate externally with the help of the strip that is situated between the scrotum and the anus. This area is known as the perineum.

- Once you have identified the spot, you should use the pads of the fingers and exert gentle pressure on it. It would be ideal to find an area with a slight depression that should be available in the perineum. When pressing, it is advisable to run your fingers forth and back on this depression.

Internal Prostate Massage

As is the case with external prostate massage, internal prostate massage also requires your nails to be trimmed and scrupulously clean. It would be advisable to have a bowel movement before you start this internal prostate massage session.

- A few things that would be required are properly fitting rubber gloves and a lubricant that is water based. You should start the process by lubricating the anus by stroking it in circular motions. The slower and longer the lubrication, the better it is.

- Using the pad the stroking should be firm but gentle and it should never be rushed through. Once the lubrication starts taking effect, the anal muscles start adjusting and it would be possible for your finger to enter the anus.

- Once you have made the full entrance, one should crook the finger upwards, so that is moves towards the wall of the abdomen. Once you have been able to do it successfully you are sure to come about a 2 inch organ that is approximately the shape of a walnut. This is the prostate glad.

- When you have identified the prostate gland, you can start the massage by applying as much pressure as is needed to control your sensations. It would be better to start with the sides of the organ because the center is considered too sensitive. Care should be taken to use only the pads of the finger and not the nails.



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What I would like to know is if there is some special technique which I need to follow to ejaculate without orgasm

[pplwatching]

You are correct that the prostate can be massaged both internally and externally, with different feelings and results. You may find it useful to become more familiar with the anatomy of the reproductive system to better understand what you are trying to accomplish. http://men.webmd.com/picture-of-the-prostate shows a diagram of several different organs.

Orgasm and ejaculation are two different processes in your body. Most of the time we feel them at the same time, so we tend to think of them as one thing. When you massage the prostate from the outside, you are stimulating a lot of other nerve endings, which feels fantastic (as you discovered). It's not surprising that this caused you to orgasm. When you orgasm, the muscles in your body contract and cause you to ejaculate.

If you want to use only external massage, you will probably always feel pleasure but you can learn to separate orgasm and ejaculation. It takes time for you and your partner to learn how your body responds. Your partner can massage you the way they did before, but needs to stop when you feel orgasm coming near. You will repeate this starting and stopping each time you feel close to orgasm, relaxing, and starting again when the urge to have an orgasm subsides. When your partner can learn how to stop stimulation when you are very close to orgasm, this can cause the muscle contractions that will cause you to ejaculate without having a strong orgasm. Sometimes this is called a weak or "ruined" orgasm. It is not very pleasurable.

If you are trying to ejaculate without the muscle contractions, then you will most likely need to use internal prostate massage. It is important to know that the prostate itself secretes prostatic fluid. Prostatic fluid is watery and cloudy. This is not all of what you see in an ejaculation. There is another gland called the Seminal Vesicle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seminal_vesicle) that secretes the thicker fluid that you see when you ejaculate, and what most of us probably think of as "cum". This gland swells during arousal, and can be also be gently massaged during prostate massage.

During internal prostate massage (which must be done gently, and takes time), you are stimulating the glands. The more aroused you can become, the more fluid they will produce. After taking your time to massage them, they will become relaxed and the fluid in them will flow out. There is no muscle contractions, because you are (very gently) pressing the fluid from the glands.

I hope that helps you!

[blulilacgrl]

Could it also be because this was your first time? (this was my understanding at least)

I am not a guy so I don't know if with time, you could become a little desensitized to the stimulation, thereby allowing you to relax a little more and hold off the erection and orgasm part.

If nothing else you can enjoy the whole "well maybe next time it will work" aspect of it.

Good Luck!

[bailadora]

You might also want to give this thread a read. It's nearly 13 pages long and there's lots of chat in it, but there might also be some worthwhile information you can glean. Good luck.

[subbiq]

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[subbiq]

Originally Posted by pplwatching

You are correct that the prostate can be massaged both internally and externally, with different feelings and results. You may find it useful to become more familiar with the anatomy of the reproductive system to better understand what you are trying to accomplish. http://men.webmd.com/picture-of-the-prostate shows a diagram of several different organs.

Orgasm and ejaculation are two different processes in your body. Most of the time we feel them at the same time, so we tend to think of them as one thing. When you massage the prostate from the outside, you are stimulating a lot of other nerve endings, which feels fantastic (as you discovered). It's not surprising that this caused you to orgasm. When you orgasm, the muscles in your body contract and cause you to ejaculate.

If you want to use only external massage, you will probably always feel pleasure but you can learn to separate orgasm and ejaculation. It takes time for you and your partner to learn how your body responds. Your partner can massage you the way they did before, but needs to stop when you feel orgasm coming near. You will repeate this starting and stopping each time you feel close to orgasm, relaxing, and starting again when the urge to have an orgasm subsides. When your partner can learn how to stop stimulation when you are very close to orgasm, this can cause the muscle contractions that will cause you to ejaculate without having a strong orgasm. Sometimes this is called a weak or "ruined" orgasm. It is not very pleasurable.

If you are trying to ejaculate without the muscle contractions, then you will most likely need to use internal prostate massage. It is important to know that the prostate itself secretes prostatic fluid. Prostatic fluid is watery and cloudy. This is not all of what you see in an ejaculation. There is another gland called the Seminal Vesicle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seminal_vesicle) that secretes the thicker fluid that you see when you ejaculate, and what most of us probably think of as "cum". This gland swells during arousal, and can be also be gently massaged during prostate massage.

During internal prostate massage (which must be done gently, and takes time), you are stimulating the glands. The more aroused you can become, the more fluid they will produce. After taking your time to massage them, they will become relaxed and the fluid in them will flow out. There is no muscle contractions, because you are (very gently) pressing the fluid from the glands.

I hope that helps you!

Thanks a lot! Your reply to my post seems to be very helpfull! We will try next time to massage the prostate internally because I do not think I am able to separate the ejaculation and orgasm achieved by external massage now. I will try to practise this but for now, the internal massage seems to be a better way how to achive my goal.

[C2W]

The question that you put forth is an interesting one
and the one thing that seemed to be missing in the entire thing was--,
what was your breathing like?
Work on quieting your mind, and your breathe will follow.
Relax your breathing and your heart will follow.
Now with all of 'man' machinery in a very relaxed state to will better achieve
a more complete milking episode without orgasm.
And the next time that you engage in coitus, providing a sufficient refractory period, you will be able to hold off on the next orgasm and it will in all likelihood be a bigger orgasm as well.