Jeb Bush, will he run?

[4est_4est_Gump]

Fot the same reason, control of Big Government, Rand, Rubio and Cruz must be tarnished by Rove in order to protect the Progressive Republican candidates.

This civil war will cost the next two elections and turn the United States decidedly into a European-style Social Democracy Welfare State.

[mercury14]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

False premise.

They did in 2010 and won hardily and the the Rove-Bush wing joined with the Democrats to destroy them.

And then all those conservative winners ran two years later in 2012 and lost a dozen House seats and a few Senate seats even though the map was heavily tilted in their favor.

[4est_4est_Gump]

"We know that the moment of greatest danger to a society is when it comes near realizing its most cherished dreams."
Eric Hoffer

[BotanyBoy]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

This civil war will cost the next two elections and turn the United States decidedly into a European-style Social Democracy Welfare State.

I'll take the Euro style social democracy over the nightmarish right wing vision of a tyrannical Corporate Oligarchy running shit. At least the fucking Europeans get something in return from their government, it's not just a black hole for money to vanish into like ours.

[LadyVer]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

Vette, I do not know and I do not care.

All I know is that the Republicans must be destroyed for the Press and the intellectuals to enjoy one party rule, so he will be destroyed by any manner possible as will all the others.

"Shotgun" Joe Biden could win the next election.

There is no way in hell Biden will be nominated or win. There will be no one party rule either and niether party will be destroyed by the press or intellectuals. The only thing that will destroy either party is the party themselves.

And yes, I know you were talking to Vette but this is a public thread.

[Wat_Tyler]

I rather hope he doesn't run, then or ever.


I think the nation is bushed from Bushes.


Of course, if he won, then the haters would have reason to buy new Buck Fush stickers for their Priuses.


Prii???

[4est_4est_Gump]

Originally Posted by BotanyBoy

I'll take the Euro style social democracy over the nightmarish right wing vision of a tyrannical Corporate Oligarchy running shit. At least the fucking Europeans get something in return from their government, it's not just a black hole for money to vanish into like ours.

Yes, they did. A decreasing standard of living and the return of Fascism.

It is a black hole. Have you not heard of the PIIGS?

[4est_4est_Gump]

Originally Posted by LadyVer

There is no way in hell Biden will be nominated or win. There will be no one party rule either and niether party will be destroyed by the press or intellectuals. The only thing that will destroy either party is the party themselves.

And yes, I know you were talking to Vette but this is a public thread.

If you read carefully, I did not say he would, I said he could win if he were the candidate.

The reality is that you do not want to be in Mrs. Clinton's way the second time.

You will not get another nice, clean articulate black guy to man the glass ceiling this time.

[4est_4est_Gump]

Originally Posted by Wat_Tyler

I rather hope he doesn't run, then or ever.


I think the nation is bushed from Bushes.


Of course, if he won, then the haters would have reason to buy new Buck Fush stickers for their Priuses.


Prii???

Do you think Karl Rove gives a rat's ass about anything other than the Bush legacy?

[Wat_Tyler]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

Do you think Karl Rove gives a rat's ass about anything other than the Bush legacy?

Which one? I think he's a hooor and goes to the highest bidder.


I started a Fight Club thread somewhere a few years ago, and if the subject were political handlers, I'd like to give Fat-Boy a go.


Big city mayors? Rahm would get the nod, and Bloomberg would have to wait for the rich punks round.

[4est_4est_Gump]

Hillary is due.

She let them put her in her place once.

It will not happen again; she was a good team player...

[Wat_Tyler]

I suspect that Hillary's window of opportunity has came and went, so to speak.

[LadyVer]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

If you read carefully, I did not say he would, I said he could win if he were the candidate.

The reality is that you do not want to be in Mrs. Clinton's way the second time.

You will not get another nice, clean articulate black guy to man the glass ceiling this time.

Well, you sounded concerned about Biden. I have no idea what you mean about Hillary Clinton, possibly because of our pov and info resource differences. I would have to agree that getting a nice, clean, articulate president is difficult these days, regardless of race. I would be the first to admit that Obama was a nice change after Bush, especially in the articulation area. But if Obama had been white he would still have been more articulate than Bush.

[BotanyBoy]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

Yes, they did. A decreasing standard of living and the return of Fascism.

They still have 20 years before they reach the same level of Fascism we have in the US. By a fucking landslide we live under a far more Fascist state than any EU nation I can think of except maybe some eastern ones.

Even red fucking China does not persecute as many of their people as we do...

Would you like some chocolate covered freedom fries?

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

It is a black hole. Have you not heard of the PIIGS?

What's that got to do with the fact that we spend more, get less and get sent to prison far more than any of these alleged "Fascist" states you speak of?

[4est_4est_Gump]

Originally Posted by Wat_Tyler

I suspect that Hillary's window of opportunity has came and went, so to speak.

I simply disagree.

Who is going to say anything negative about her?

The press? They just had their best opportunity ever to take her out and instead they built her up...

[Wat_Tyler]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

I simply disagree.

Who is going to say anything negative about her?

The press? They just had their best opportunity ever to take her out and instead they built her up...

I follow your rationale, but I think she's simply too long in the tooth. She looks like shit lately, like she's tired and worn out.


Maybe an Extreme Makeover . . . .

[4est_4est_Gump]

Originally Posted by LadyVer

Well, you sounded concerned about Biden. I have no idea what you mean about Hillary Clinton, possibly because of our pov and info resource differences. I would have to agree that getting a nice, clean, articulate president is difficult these days, regardless of race. I would be the first to admit that Obama was a nice change after Bush, especially in the articulation area. But if Obama had been white he would still have been more articulate than Bush.

That is where we differ.

The demagogue is articulate. If smooth and articulate is what you look for, think con man, used car salesman, Bernie Madoff...

[4est_4est_Gump]

Originally Posted by Wat_Tyler

I follow your rationale, but I think she's simply too long in the tooth. She looks like shit lately, like she's tired and worn out.


Maybe an Extreme Makeover . . . .

Compared to what they do to her opponent...

Age will suddenly imply something like wisdom, you know, "Gravitas."



Who hates grandma? raise your hands! Just Republicans! You know they want grandma to choose between her dog food and her medications...

[4est_4est_Gump]

Originally Posted by BotanyBoy

They still have 20 years before they reach the same level of Fascism we have in the US. By a fucking landslide we live under a far more Fascist state than any EU nation I can think of except maybe some eastern ones.

Even red fucking China does not persecute as many of their people as we do...

Would you like some chocolate covered freedom fries?




What's that got to do with the fact that we spend more, get less and get sent to prison far more than any of these alleged "Fascist" states you speak of?

Dude, you are off the reservation. The blue pill is not the chill pill...

I agree that we are tending towards Fascism, but a Fascist just took 24% of the Italian vote. Now, are you saying that Obama is a Fascist?

[Wat_Tyler]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

Compared to what they do to her opponent...

Age will suddenly imply something like wisdom, you know, "Gravitas."



Who hates grandma? raise your hands! Just Republicans! You know they want grandma to choose between her dog food and her medications...

Yeah, like when she "baked cookies".


Ok, it's Stimulus Time in the Tyler household, so off we go, headcold and all.


*snot*

[LadyVer]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

That is where we differ.

The demagogue is articulate. If smooth and articulate is what you look for, think con man, used car salesman, Bernie Madoff...

Really? Well if that belief keeps you happy with the GOP, go for it. Personally, if anyone's only criteria for a president is their articulation skills, there's a big problem.And I would bet that a president being called a demigogue has occurred frequently on both sides to those who articulation skills weren't worth crap.

[4est_4est_Gump]

Originally Posted by LadyVer

Really? Well if that belief keeps you happy with the GOP, go for it. Personally, if anyone's only criteria for a president is their articulation skills, there's a big problem.And I would bet that a president being called a demigogue has occurred frequently on both sides to those who articulation skills weren't worth crap.

That is a slander.

If I disagree with you on a point, it does not lead to being a Republican. That is the black and white thinking of the consensus and I resent and reject it.

Joe Biden is not articulate. Does that make him a Republican? because he shames not one Democrat American the way George Bush shamed them. Is not such a double-standard the stuff of hypocrisy?

For the record, in plain English, and please try to remember this, I am a half-breed atheist Libertarian of the Rothbard wing. I was raised a Democrat by dirt farmers and union people. I protested the Vietnam War. I became a Libertarian because their belief system was closest to mine at a time when the two major parties were becoming more and more Social Democrat and focusing on keeping us divided and speaking different languages, be it the intellectual, the political, the economic, the red-state-blue-state or Eubonics.

[4est_4est_Gump]

Originally Posted by Wat_Tyler

Yeah, like when she "baked cookies".


Ok, it's Stimulus Time in the Tyler household, so off we go, headcold and all.


*snot*

*spit*

Ah rec'on so...

[mercury14]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

If I disagree with you on a point, it does not lead to being a Republican.

You beliefs coincide with the vast majority of Republican doctrine. You don't have to associate with a political party if you don't want to but your belief system is the same no matter what.

[BotanyBoy]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

Dude, you are off the reservation. The blue pill is not the chill pill...

I agree that we are tending towards Fascism, but a Fascist just took 24% of the Italian vote. Now, are you saying that Obama is a Fascist?

USA #1 prison state on earth by a long shot ...Italian fascist don't have SHIT on US politicians...they send people to prison for raw milk, tough on crime!! When EU nations start sending people to prison for milk you might have an argument, until then the US holds the crown for most invasive WTF government.

I wouldn't say he was a fascist simply because he has no interest in the unification of the US as his paycheck is dependent on the division of it. The more L v R panic/pissing contest he can generate the better for him. He does however rely on the fascist gov system to do that so I guess you could call him one.

Tyrant? Liar supreme? Greedy ass scum bag lawyer? spineless sell out?? For sure...fascist? that's debatable. Personally I think he's just enjoying the money train and getting while the getting is good before someone poops in the punch bowl and ends the party.