How do we end special demographic based history months?

[BotanyBoy]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

It is the right to do as you please as long is it brings no harm to another.

1) That has not a fucking thing to do with capitalism....you can do FAR more of that in socialist euro states than in the US and that's an irrefutable fact.

2)You are describing libertarian social mindset which very very very few politicians share on the left, and only 1 in the GOP that I can think of.

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

It is the right to property and it is the right to association. What part of that is not a social, legal and economic polity?

Those are some effects of capitalism but it does not make capitalism a social structure. You can have an iron fisted brutal police state that is absolutely tyrannical by ANYONE'S definition of the word and still have capitalism. There are a lot of dystopian science fiction novels/films about exactly that...you should check some of them out, oh yes it too has a NASTY dark side 4est. We are living in it...they can send you to prison for MILK man...think about that crazy shit for just a second, MILK=prison...that's fucking insane. And there is a lovely group pushing to make procurement of ANY food outside USDA/FDA authority a felony.....capitalist from the food industry using their capitalist freedom to buy legislation to economically enslave or physically imprison the rest of us. WTF is next water? Buy Desani or go to prison?

Capitalism does not = freedom based social structure.....it's an economic system with social side effects that are determined on how said capitalism is managed/structured.

Hey look it's puritanical libertarian anarcocaptialistwtfever's wet dream!! Bask in the glory of it's perfection!!

[Once-ler]

Jesus fuck I am literally late for work. I forgot how fun this place was!! HAve a great day guys!!

[RobDownSouth]

Originally Posted by Dances With Falsehoods

I am not an academic.

I am a computer scientist with a degree in Math.

I also spend a lot of time reading tomes of economics and history.

I am not persuading anyone and I know it. I am reminding them of what we used to be...

I would be a not-insubstantial amount of money that that phrase is not on your resume, Mr. Puttin' on Airs.

[LadyVer]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

I am not an academic.

I am a computer scientist with a degree in Math.

I also spend a lot of time reading tomes of economics and history.

I am not persuading anyone and I know it. I am reminding them of what we used to be...

oh that explains everything. Computer science plus math. Well, you won't be reminding too many people about anything if they find your comments too hard to read because of too many abstract ideas and theory. Besides, who has the time to figure out what you're trying to say. I would like to be able to read your comments once and know what you're trying to say. I'm.actually interested in what you're saying but most of the time it's too much work.

Anyway, that's all I'll say about this. Which I'm sure you'll appreciate.

[4est_4est_Gump]

Originally Posted by BotanyBoy

1) That has not a fucking thing to do with capitalism....you can do FAR more of that in socialist euro states than in the US and that's an irrefutable fact.

2)You are describing libertarian social mindset which very very very few politicians share on the left, and only 1 in the GOP that I can think of.



Those are some effects of capitalism but it does not make capitalism a social structure. You can have an iron fisted brutal police state that is absolutely tyrannical by ANYONE'S definition of the word and still have capitalism. There are a lot of dystopian science fiction novels/films about exactly that...you should check some of them out, oh yes it too has a NASTY dark side 4est. We are living in it...they can send you to prison for MILK man...think about that crazy shit for just a second, MILK=prison...that's fucking insane. And there is a lovely group pushing to make procurement of ANY food outside USDA/FDA authority a felony.....capitalist from the food industry using their capitalist freedom to buy legislation to economically enslave or physically imprison the rest of us. WTF is next water? Buy Desani or go to prison?

Capitalism does not = freedom based social structure.....it's an economic system with social side effects that are determined on how said capitalism is managed/structured.

Hey look it's puritanical libertarian anarcocaptialistwtfever's wet dream!! Bask in the glory of it's perfection!!

No you cannot, nor will you ever have a Capitalism producing a brutal police state or a brutal police state that fosters Capitalism.

[4est_4est_Gump]

Originally Posted by Once-ler

Jesus fuck I am literally late for work. I forgot how fun this place was!! HAve a great day guys!!

I have to wonder two things, does your greater communication and world-wide social expansion actually expand your personal purview or cement it by allowing you to find a number of like-thinking people which leads you to believe that you are some sort of super majority and just what is out-of-touch, is that not a term of pure subjectivism?

For example, I have a teen in the house and young people that I still teach and they, by leaps and bounds are far more conservative that you are.

Does that then make out-of-touch not so much of and age thing, because I know a lot of old posters here that are a helluva lot closer to you than to me, so does that make them "in-touch?"

[4est_4est_Gump]

Originally Posted by LadyVer

oh that explains everything. Computer science plus math. Well, you won't be reminding too many people about anything if they find your comments too hard to read because of too many abstract ideas and theory. Besides, who has the time to figure out what you're trying to say. I would like to be able to read your comments once and know what you're trying to say. I'm.actually interested in what you're saying but most of the time it's too much work.

Anyway, that's all I'll say about this. Which I'm sure you'll appreciate.

I wonder if there has ever been a recent generation so proud to be so uneducated.

It reminds me of the professor who wanted to toss the Constitution out because no one of this time could possibly understand it. If language is not to be that which allows intergenerational transmissions of knowledge, then what use does it have other than getting laid?

[RobDownSouth]

Originally Posted by Dances With Falsehoods

I wonder if there has ever been a recent generation so proud to be so uneducated.

You've been pushing your "EDUCATION....BAD!" meme for over a decade.

I thought you'd be most proud of your handiwork.

[vetteman]

Originally Posted by LadyVer

oh that explains everything. Computer science plus math. Well, you won't be reminding too many people about anything if they find your comments too hard to read because of too many abstract ideas and theory. Besides, who has the time to figure out what you're trying to say. I would like to be able to read your comments once and know what you're trying to say. I'm.actually interested in what you're saying but most of the time it's too much work.

Anyway, that's all I'll say about this. Which I'm sure you'll appreciate.

The sad state of the union.

[LadyVer]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

I wonder if there has ever been a recent generation so proud to be so uneducated.

It reminds me of the professor who wanted to toss the Constitution out because no one of this time could possibly understand it. If language is not to be that which allows intergenerational transmissions of knowledge, then what use does it have other than getting laid?

You mistake what I'm saying. But if you want to go with the idea that people are proud to be "so uneducated", go for it.

Originally Posted by vetteman

The sad state of the union.

The union is in a sad state for many reasons. I think everyone can agree on that.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

No you cannot, nor will you ever have a Capitalism producing a brutal police state or a brutal police state that fosters Capitalism.

You must have missed South Africa in your history studies.

[cjh]

Originally Posted by SeanH

You must have missed South Africa in your history studies.

I hear that Singapore is a warm and fuzzy place.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by cjh

I hear that Singapore is a warm and fuzzy place.

Those well known Communists of the British Raj, too. It would appear AJ is talking through his arse again.

[BotanyBoy]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

No you cannot, nor will you ever have a Capitalism producing a brutal police state or a brutal police state that fosters Capitalism.

Really? Our capitalist state fostered the police state we live in now.....where the farmers lobby can imprison your ass for selling MILK outside the cool kids club You can scream capitalism and eat as many freedom fries as you want but you live in a capitalist nation where selling milk is a felony.

USA....#1 prison nation on the planet by hundreds of thousands a year with so many criminal laws we can't even fucking count them.

Revel in your blind and willful ignorance all you want old man, but nothing you say will make capitalism a social structure or much less an altruistic one.....sorry.

[Once-ler]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

I have to wonder two things, does your greater communication and world-wide social expansion actually expand your personal purview or cement it by allowing you to find a number of like-thinking people which leads you to believe that you are some sort of super majority and just what is out-of-touch, is that not a term of pure subjectivism?

For example, I have a teen in the house and young people that I still teach and they, by leaps and bounds are far more conservative that you are.

Does that then make out-of-touch not so much of and age thing, because I know a lot of old posters here that are a helluva lot closer to you than to me, so does that make them "in-touch?"

I'm gonna say that if a teenager spouted the shit you say they wouldn't be able to pass high school civics or math, so my best guess is that they just talk that way to you, but if you were to look over their shoulder when they're texting or typing youd see a much different side. We pretend around elderly folk that we care about because even though they're stupid, they still mean a lot to us and we don't want to listen to them bitch about every damn word we say. It gets really old really fast.

And I also don't know what Minnie's talking about with your language. You write at about a fifth grade AR level, it's not difficult at all. You do a pretty good job expressing yourself.

[4est_4est_Gump]

Originally Posted by Once-ler

I'm gonna say that if a teenager spouted the shit you say they wouldn't be able to pass high school civics or math, so my best guess is that they just talk that way to you, but if you were to look over their shoulder when they're texting or typing youd see a much different side. We pretend around elderly folk that we care about because even though they're stupid, they still mean a lot to us and we don't want to listen to them bitch about every damn word we say. It gets really old really fast.

And I also don't know what Minnie's talking about with your language. You write at about a fifth grade AR level, it's not difficult at all. You do a pretty good job expressing yourself.

That first observation speaks more to who controls education than it does to truth. Furthermore, what I say economically or politically, even morally, has no efect on math unless, of course, 2+2 can now equal 5.



They do not all talk to me in that manner, that is how I have accumulated so many copies of Zinn. I run an open and diverse salon unlike the school systems where diversity is measured in skin tone and not in rational discourse.

And that last is what is so distressing to me, unless it is a ut00b, we are losing the ability to really communicate and an exacerbating and trouble factor in this Babylonization of our culture is the increasing plasticity of definition in our language, e.g., Racism means all sorts and manner of things the bulk of which just boil down to, I do not agree with you, I am the tolerant and diverse, therefore you are intolerant and want the angry old white man thing, so you are clearly a racist.

[Once-ler]

Originally Posted by 4est_4est_Gump

That first observation speaks more to who controls education than it does to truth. Furthermore, what I say economically or politically, even morally, has no efect on math unless, of course, 2+2 can now equal 5.



They do not all talk to me in that manner, that is how I have accumulated so many copies of Zinn. I run an open and diverse salon unlike the school systems where diversity is measured in skin tone and not in rational discourse.

And that last is what is so distressing to me, unless it is a ut00b, we are losing the ability to really communicate and an exacerbating and trouble factor in this Babylonization of our culture is the increasing plasticity of definition in our language, e.g., Racism means all sorts and manner of things the bulk of which just boil down to, I do not agree with you, I am the tolerant and diverse, therefore you are intolerant and want the angry old white man thing, so you are clearly a racist.

Keep telling yourself that, grandpa.

edit: You ever notice how EVERY SINGLE PARENT says this. "I'm not like that, my kids talk to me, blah blah blah".

And there is no problem with multiple definitions. Language evolves. The fact that you can't keep up with it and want us to stick to archaic bullshittery is not our problem. Racism means what it always meant, not that you have a different opinion, but that you're being racist. The fact that you can't see that is... weird, honestly. Especially over the internet where you can't tell a person's race.