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Old 01-16-2013, 04:23 PM   #1
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16/13 ~ The War On Guns Begins.

In a series of Executive Orders signed today, US President Obama formally declared War on Guns.

American successes in "Wars" against things other than foreign countries have always been low.

The NRA responded with an attack on the President's children.
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:29 PM   #2
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In a series of Executive Orders signed today, US President Obama formally declared War on Guns.

American successes in "Wars" against things other than foreign countries have always been low.

The NRA responded with an attack on the President's children.
Did they throw rocks!?

Hit em with sticks!?

Call them names!?

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Old 01-16-2013, 04:40 PM   #3
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I heard him use the phrase "everything in my power" (which seemingly is not a lot in this case) as well as a claim that Congress "will have to do the heavy lifting" He appeals to voters to contact their congressmen and pressure them for gun reform.

What disturbs me is that reform, even if it is attained, looks to be ineffective and either misguided or feeble. What is the point of banning assult weapons? Clips limited to 7 rounds (NY) or 10 (Obama)? What good is that going to do?

I would vote "business as usual" in this case. You can see from the posts on this boarde that opposition will be fierce.
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:42 PM   #4
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I still think the big picture is the problem we have dealing with mental illness. It's sad what happened but you're also looking at jobs lost for the gun manufacturers. I live by a pretty big one. I don't think we need to lose more jobs. I think we need to have a more open dialogue on mental illness and gun safety.
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In a series of Executive Orders signed today, US President Obama formally declared War on Guns.

American successes in "Wars" against things other than foreign countries have always been low.
He didn't call it "War on Guns." You did. He just issued some executive orders.

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WASHINGTON -- Braced for a fight, President Barack Obama on Wednesday unveiled the most sweeping proposals for curbing gun violence in two decades, pressing a reluctant Congress to pass universal background checks and bans on military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines like the ones used in the Newtown, Conn., school shooting.

A month after that horrific massacre, Obama also used his presidential powers to enact 23 measures that don't require the backing of lawmakers. The president's executive actions include ordering federal agencies to make more data available for background checks, appointing a director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and directing the Centers for Disease Control to research gun violence.

But the president, speaking at White House ceremony, focused his attention on the divided Congress, saying only lawmakers could enact the most effective measures for preventing more mass shootings.

"To make a real and lasting difference, Congress must act," Obama said. "And Congress must act soon."

The president vowed to use "whatever weight this office holds" to press lawmakers into action on his $500 million plan. He is also calling for improvements in school safety, including putting 1,000 police officers in schools and bolstering mental health care by training more health professionals to deal with young people who may be at risk.

Even supportive lawmakers say the president's gun control proposals -- most of which are opposed by the powerful National Rifle Association -- face long odds on Capitol Hill.

House Speaker John Boehner's office was non-committal to the president's package of proposed legislation, but signaled no urgency to act. "House committees of jurisdiction will review these recommendations," Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said. "And if the Senate passes a bill, we will also take a look at that."

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy said ahead of Obama's presentation that he didn't know whether an assault weapons ban could pass the Senate, but said there are some measures that can, such as improved background checks.

"There are some who say nothing will pass. I disagree with that," Leahy, D-Vt., told students at Georgetown University Law Center. "What I'm interested in is what we can get."

Acknowledging the tough fight ahead, Obama said there will be pundits, politicians and special interest groups that will seek to "gin up fear" that the White House wants to take away the right to own a gun.

"Behind the scenes, they'll do everything they can to block any commonsense reform and make sure nothing changes whatsoever," he said.

"The only way we will be able to change is if their audience, their constituents, their membership says this time must be different, that this time we must do something to protect our communities and our kids."

The president was flanked by children who wrote him letters about gun violence in the weeks following the Newtown shooting. Families of those killed in the massacre, as well as survivors of the shooting, were also in the audience, along with law enforcement officers and congressional lawmakers.

"This is our first task as a society, keeping our children safe," Obama said. "This is how we will be judged."

Seeking to expand the impetus for addressing gun violence beyond the Newtown shooting, the president said more than 900 Americans have been killed by guns in the month since the elementary school massacre.

"Every day we wait, the number will keep growing," he said.

The president based his proposals on recommendations from an administration-wide task force led by Vice President Joe Biden. His plan marks the most comprehensive effort to address gun violence since Congress passed the 1994 ban on high-grade, military-style assault weapons. The ban expired in 2004, and Obama wants lawmakers to renew and expand it.

Other measures Obama wants Congress to take up include limiting high-capacity ammunition magazines and requiring background checks for all gun buyers in an attempt to close the so-called "gun-show loophole" that allows people to buy guns at trade shows and over the Internet without submitting to background checks.

Obama also intends to seek confirmation for B. Todd Jones, who has served as acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives since 2011.

The president's plan does little to address violent images in video games, movies and entertainment, beyond asking the CDC to study their impact on gun crimes. Some pro-gun lawmakers who are open to addressing stricter arms legislation have insisted they would do so only in tandem with recommendations for addressing violence in entertainment.

The president's long list of executive orders also include:

-- Ordering tougher penalties for people who lie on background checks and requiring federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

-- Ending limits that make it more difficult for the government to research gun violence, such as gathering data on guns that fall into criminal hands.

-- Requiring federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.

-- Giving schools flexibility to use federal grant money to improve school safety, such as by hiring school resource officers.

-- Giving communities grants to institute programs to keep guns away from people who shouldn't have them.
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At first blush, it appears the President is a serious underdog in facing off against the NRA.

The NRA has more support in Congress than does the President.

(scary statement, that)

However, the President has put his cards on the table and said quite plainly and openly today that The People will be the deciding factor.

The People can make Congress support the changes.

And the People can make Congress defeat them.

That's what makes Deomocracy such a groovy thing.

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He didn't call it "War on Guns." You did.
Yes, that is correct.

Democrat Presidents don't declare War on Concepts, Amorphous Beliefs or Substances....Republicans do.

I'm just putting it in language the Gun Nuts will find appealing....hey right wingers, I have some cannnndy for you.

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Old 01-16-2013, 04:50 PM   #7
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In a series of Executive Orders signed today, US President Obama formally declared War on Guns.

American successes in "Wars" against things other than foreign countries have always been low.

The NRA responded with an attack on the President's children.
American hasn't been on the winning side of any war since the mid 40s
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:51 PM   #8
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I heard him use the phrase "everything in my power" (which seemingly is not a lot in this case) as well as a claim that Congress "will have to do the heavy lifting" He appeals to voters to contact their congressmen and pressure them for gun reform.

What disturbs me is that reform, even if it is attained, looks to be ineffective and either misguided or feeble. What is the point of banning assult weapons? Clips limited to 7 rounds (NY) or 10 (Obama)? What good is that going to do?

I would vote "business as usual" in this case. You can see from the posts on this boarde that opposition will be fierce.
Make it harder for those who would commit illegal acts to get guns.
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Make it harder for those who would commit illegal acts to get guns.

Sounds like a job for Tom Cruise!



900 Americans died at the end of a gun in the 30 days after Sandy Hook.

Do the Gun Nuts think that number is a fair monthly fee for an unfettered 2nd Amendment?
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Old 01-16-2013, 04:58 PM   #10
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Sounds like a job for Tom Cruise!



900 Americans died at the end of a gun in the 30 days after Sandy Hook.

Do the Gun Nuts think that number is a fair monthly fee for an unfettered 2nd Amendment?
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Sounds like a job for Tom Cruise!



900 Americans died at the end of a gun in the 30 days after Sandy Hook.
And you believed the 900 number. Remember Obama's Lips were moving.



The Majority were Crips, Bloods, Sureño and Gang Bangers etc...

Cleaning up the Gene Pool Daily!



And Obama's Bitch Eric Holder is responsible for 200 plus Mexican Deaths.
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Obama knows that weapons of war should not be in the hands of Law abiding American Citizens willing to defend their constitutional rights from threats both foreign and domestic, (unless you are in the military killing third world peasant farmers who stand in the way of oil profits or in law enforcement funneling weapons to drug lords) they belong in the hands of Israeli soldiers and Kibbutz settlers who need to kill rock throwing Palestinian children or third world dictators armies and secret police who support our policies.
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I read the list of 23 executive orders and, even though the devil's in the details, on the face of it I don't see much very alarming. It's good that he didn't go over the top like some executive orders have done.
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I read the list of 23 executive orders and, even though the devil's in the details, on the face of it I don't see much very alarming. It's good that he didn't go over the top like some executive orders have done.
No, no, no. This is a fascist takeover by Obama's Gestapo. Just like we've been hearing about for the last four years.
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It will be a shame when all this hysteria dies down. It has been rather profitable so far.......
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At first blush, it appears the President is a serious underdog in facing off against the NRA.

The NRA has more support in Congress than does the President.

(scary statement, that)

However, the President has put his cards on the table and said quite plainly and openly today that The People will be the deciding factor.

The People can make Congress support the changes.

And the People can make Congress defeat them.

That's what makes Deomocracy such a groovy thing.


They can, but they've never been so inclined to do so, of course a President has never used children as human shields in the past to advance an attack on our rights.

No matter what is done it cannot violate our fundamental right to bear arms in the Second Amendment.
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They can, but they've never been so inclined to do so, of course a President has never used children as human shields in the past to advance an attack on our rights.

No matter what is done it cannot violate our fundamental right to bear arms in the Second Amendment.
No one is trying to do that.
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I'd have thought that Vetteman would be all in favour of Americans letting Congress know where they stand on the issues.
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No one is trying to do that.
I think Diane Feinstein is.
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American hasn't been on the winning side of any war since the mid 40s
What about the Cold War?
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Obama knows that weapons of war should not be in the hands of Law abiding American Citizens willing to defend their constitutional rights from threats both foreign and domestic . . .
If he believes that, he is right.
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What about the Cold War?
I thought you won that one...until the science behind it was discredited by the Republicans.
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It will be a shame when all this hysteria dies down. It has been rather profitable so far.......
To gun dealers.
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They can, but they've never been so inclined to do so, of course a President has never used children as human shields in the past to advance an attack on our rights.
And not this one today, either.
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I think Diane Feinstein is.
Let me know where she has tried to take away all guns.
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