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When did leftists stop being radicals and rebels?
The new left in the 60s and 70s was about destroying mainstream society. What they wanted to destroy was all wrong, but at least they were mad at society and wanted to trash it.
In the late 70s and 80s, the punk movement was against everything mainstream society stood for, though it wasn't specifically a political movement and it had followers across the political spectrum, the main bands were mostly leftist radicals.
Now, its leftists and especially liberals who ARE the establishment. They spend all their time whinning and blathering paranoid hysteria about the "radical right" and the "right wing extremists" while they get fat working for the government or collecting their entitlement checks.
They have become the establishment they claimed it was so "cool" to slag off and trash.
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01-15-2013, 09:56 PM
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rub on my leg little grrl
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Q: When did leftists stop being radicals and rebels?
A: When they realized someone's going to have to work and pay taxes to cover their bypass surgeries and senior care facilities.
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01-15-2013, 10:12 PM
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Pointing the way...
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After Nixon resigned and Carter mass-pardoned all the draft dodgers.
"Mission Accomplished".
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01-15-2013, 10:45 PM
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The new left in the 60s and 70s was about destroying mainstream society.
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Well, not exactly.
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The New Left[1] was a collection of leftist groups in the US and UK that sprang up in the early 1960s as a reaction to the timidity of liberalism on racial equality and the opposition to the War in Vietnam and against the thoroughly discredited and powerless "Old Left" of the Communist Party USA and its various Trotskyist enemies. Rather than focus on just the material aspects of capitalism, and attempting to work through labor unions to achieve revolution by the masses, the "New Left" focused on the young (particularly college students) in order to cause a full system change all around. The New Left also focused more heavily on the problems of imperialism than did the Old Left.
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Generational change marked by the predisposition of youth to challenge authority on moral terms was exacerbated by the large numbers of youth entering institutions of higher education.[2] (The rebellion even began to spread to high schools.)[3] There they encountered both older conservative and more recent liberal accounts of history and social science that failed to adequately explain national and world events. The timidity of the liberal response to racial oppression and imperialist violence motivated a search for explanation in the heady post-war fusion of Marxism and Freudianism favored by leftist intellectuals in the West. It also led to a preference for action over reflection. Consider the following rant by Yippie leader Abbie Hoffman:
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"Once one has experienced LSD, existential revolution, fought the intellectual game-playing of the individual in society, of one's identity, one realizes that action is the only reality; not only reality but morality as well. It exists in the head. I am the Revolution."[4].
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Orthodox Soviet style Marxism-Leninism held no attraction for Western radicals. The Soviet Union had lost its moral legitimacy in the advanced industrial countries, even among leftists, after the crimes of Stalin had been published, some in the New Left went looking for a more "pure" form of Communism. The 1968 Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia that put an end to the "Prague Spring" reinforced the alienation from Moscow.
Inspiration, or at least the imagery of mass rebellion, was found in the work of the new, non-Western Communists, like Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, Mao Zedong, and Ho Chi Minh.[5]. As great leaders who had thrown off the shackles of Western colonialism, their images would become icons for those who opposed capitalism and Western imperialism in general.[6]
On a more philosophical level, the works of Herbert Marcuse, especially One Dimensional Man, were particularly important. Marcuse criticized the socially alienating effects of modern capitalism incorporating Marxism with Freud and critical theory in a way which the Old Left had not done. He extended this critique also to identifying the same social alienation under Soviet communism, and in the place of the stodgy "industrial proletariat" he championed an oppositional culture led by youth, minorities and the intelligentsia. Another important influence was Growing Up Absurd by Paul Goodman, a 1960 book about the alienation of growing up in a society geared mainly toward consumerism and preparing people for a life of meaningless and unfulfilling jobs. Goodman attributed the rise of both juvenile delinquency and the Beat Generation to a youthful rebellion against this. Also influential were Jean-Paul Sartre and Albert Camus; both had been part of the anti-Nazi resistance in France, Camus as an anarchist, while Sartre was considered a "fellow traveler" with the French Communist Party but did not join. Both continued to support leftist causes but turned toward developing the philosophy which would come to be labeled existentialism.
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Now, by Og, "Bob" and Allah! Whatever all of that might have portended, LSD-inspired "existential revolution" never could have portended the destruction of mainstream society!
And so it proved in the event:
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Impact of the New Left
The New Left contributed its own imagery of popular revolt. What else did it leave? Rather than bringing the Vietnam War to an end sooner the reaction mobilized against it by the powerful conservative and liberal enemies it made helped to divert public attention from the tragedy of the war. However the war dragged on because it never emerged as the primary issue in a U.S. presidential election campaign. Most of the major civil rights victories are attributable to mainstream civil rights groups like the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. SNCC provides the exception to the rule. Unfortunately thereafter the mainstream civil rights groups stagnated.
Capitalism itself was never clearly in jeopardy from the critiques of the New Left.
Probably the biggest impact came out of a movement that formed due to the mistakes of the New Left. The second wave of feminism, or "Women's Liberation", was spawned in large part because of the sexism within SDS and SNCC.[19] Despite a great deal of rhetoric concerning "equality", women in these groups found themselves repeatedly denigrated, and forced into domestic roles. This was especially galling in SDS, because many of the most successful ventures (particularly in the community organizing arms) were led and run by women. As women became fed up with being second class even in the revolution, they left and founded their own far more successful movement, which really helped to change the face of American society.
However, many conservatives act as if the New Left somehow managed to take control of the whole country. For instance, this book tries to make the case that US cities are failing because the New Left managed to take control of the public services and unions, and that these things are bankrupting the country today.[20] Another example of this is the "documentary" Generation Zero which purports that old members of the "New Left" secretly engineered the financial crisis to create global socialism. That none of this makes sense doesn't stop people holding the New Left up as current dangers.
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So, the New Left on sum and on balance was not at all a bad thing for American society and culture; it did no real damage, and at least we got feminism out of it, however indirectly. And now it's as much a thing of the past as Woodstock, and no threat to anybody or anything anywhere.
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IX. The Courtyard
It was the city I had known before;
The ancient, leprous town where mongrel throngs
Chant to strange gods, and beat unhallowed gongs
In crypts beneath foul alleys near the shore.
The rotting, fish-eyed houses leered at me
From where they leaned, drunk and half-animate,
As edging through the filth I passed the gate
To the black courtyard where the man would be.
The dark walls closed me in, and loud I cursed
That ever I had come to such a den,
When suddenly a score of windows burst
Into wild light, and swarmed with dancing men:
Mad, soundless revels of the dragging dead—
And not a corpse had either hands or head!
-- Fungi from Yuggoth, by H.P. Lovecraft
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01-15-2013, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by renard_ruse
Now, its leftists and especially liberals who ARE the establishment. They spend all their time whinning and blathering paranoid hysteria about the "radical right" and the "right wing extremists" while they get fat working for the government or collecting their entitlement checks.
They have become the establishment they claimed it was so "cool" to slag off and trash.
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The establishment, even the Democrat establishment, has actually moved well to the right of where it was in the 1960s; it was Bill Clinton who put an end to "welfare as we know it," and, economically, Obama is a RW reactionary compared to LBJ or, for that matter, Nixon.
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IX. The Courtyard
It was the city I had known before;
The ancient, leprous town where mongrel throngs
Chant to strange gods, and beat unhallowed gongs
In crypts beneath foul alleys near the shore.
The rotting, fish-eyed houses leered at me
From where they leaned, drunk and half-animate,
As edging through the filth I passed the gate
To the black courtyard where the man would be.
The dark walls closed me in, and loud I cursed
That ever I had come to such a den,
When suddenly a score of windows burst
Into wild light, and swarmed with dancing men:
Mad, soundless revels of the dragging dead—
And not a corpse had either hands or head!
-- Fungi from Yuggoth, by H.P. Lovecraft
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01-15-2013, 11:20 PM
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We are in for it now.
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Wow.
If I had not live through most of that time period I would believe it.
True the victor does try to rewrite history to please themselves.
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01-16-2013, 01:14 AM
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Wow.
If I had not live through most of that time period I would believe it.
True the victor does try to rewrite history to please themselves.
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The RW are the victors. So far, but not for much longer. We are now at the declining-end of the long arc of movement-conservative ascendancy in America -- the rising-end was 1964, when they were soundly defeated, but began to realize their potential strength. But now they are doomed by sheer generational demographics.
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IX. The Courtyard
It was the city I had known before;
The ancient, leprous town where mongrel throngs
Chant to strange gods, and beat unhallowed gongs
In crypts beneath foul alleys near the shore.
The rotting, fish-eyed houses leered at me
From where they leaned, drunk and half-animate,
As edging through the filth I passed the gate
To the black courtyard where the man would be.
The dark walls closed me in, and loud I cursed
That ever I had come to such a den,
When suddenly a score of windows burst
Into wild light, and swarmed with dancing men:
Mad, soundless revels of the dragging dead—
And not a corpse had either hands or head!
-- Fungi from Yuggoth, by H.P. Lovecraft
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01-16-2013, 03:33 AM
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The new left in the 60s and 70s was about destroying mainstream society. What they wanted to destroy was all wrong, but at least they were mad at society and wanted to trash it.
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the end of segregation
women demanding an equal stance
striving to end war
only you would consider these things a bad thing
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01-16-2013, 10:05 PM
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In the late 70s and 80s, the punk movement was against everything mainstream society stood for, though it wasn't specifically a political movement and it had followers across the political spectrum, the main bands were mostly leftist radicals.
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Some were Nazis.
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Early New York punk bands such as the Ramones did not tend to write political songs, although their angst-filled lyrics did explore controversial subjects such as solvent abuse, prostitution, Nazism and casual violence. It was the Sex Pistols who most firmly associated the punk scene (at least in the UK) with nihilism and anarchy, most famously in the songs "Anarchy in the UK" (1976) and "God Save the Queen" (1977). Additionally, The Clash became known for their left wing political songs, which were, arguably, more coherent and focused than the Pistols' more destructive anti-establishment anthems. Punk, like most other musical genres, began to embody a means of catharsis which could be used by anyone who wished to express themselves musically.
The nature of punk rock was such that it appealed to a very broad audience, whose political tendencies were not universally alike, thus punk ideology gradually became a cross section of the political spectrum, which does not exclude wingnuts. For example, the "Oi!" subculture (a working-class oriented punk movement) came to be associated with white nationalism. Over the years, there have also been a number of punk bands (i.e. Skrewdriver, The Dentists and the Ventz) which explicitly promoted Nazi politics, hence the name "Nazi Punks".[1] Despite the presence of racist punk bands, very few of the punk movement's defining bands were overtly racist. In fact, many of the defining bands of the 1970s punk scene in the UK (such as The Clash) had strong Reggae and Ska influences and close rapport with prominent Black artists, with whom they saw common cause. Moreover, fans of "Nazi Punk" bands are often looked down upon by other punks, as shown by the Dead Kennedys song "Nazi Punks Fuck Off" (1981).
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IX. The Courtyard
It was the city I had known before;
The ancient, leprous town where mongrel throngs
Chant to strange gods, and beat unhallowed gongs
In crypts beneath foul alleys near the shore.
The rotting, fish-eyed houses leered at me
From where they leaned, drunk and half-animate,
As edging through the filth I passed the gate
To the black courtyard where the man would be.
The dark walls closed me in, and loud I cursed
That ever I had come to such a den,
When suddenly a score of windows burst
Into wild light, and swarmed with dancing men:
Mad, soundless revels of the dragging dead—
And not a corpse had either hands or head!
-- Fungi from Yuggoth, by H.P. Lovecraft
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01-16-2013, 10:28 PM
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When did leftists stop being radicals and rebels?
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What, you think Occupy Wall Street is RW?
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IX. The Courtyard
It was the city I had known before;
The ancient, leprous town where mongrel throngs
Chant to strange gods, and beat unhallowed gongs
In crypts beneath foul alleys near the shore.
The rotting, fish-eyed houses leered at me
From where they leaned, drunk and half-animate,
As edging through the filth I passed the gate
To the black courtyard where the man would be.
The dark walls closed me in, and loud I cursed
That ever I had come to such a den,
When suddenly a score of windows burst
Into wild light, and swarmed with dancing men:
Mad, soundless revels of the dragging dead—
And not a corpse had either hands or head!
-- Fungi from Yuggoth, by H.P. Lovecraft
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01-16-2013, 10:32 PM
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The new left in the 60s and 70s was about destroying mainstream society. What they wanted to destroy was all wrong, but at least they were mad at society and wanted to trash it.
In the late 70s and 80s, the punk movement was against everything mainstream society stood for, though it wasn't specifically a political movement and it had followers across the political spectrum, the main bands were mostly leftist radicals.
Now, its leftists and especially liberals who ARE the establishment. They spend all their time whinning and blathering paranoid hysteria about the "radical right" and the "right wing extremists" while they get fat working for the government or collecting their entitlement checks.
They have become the establishment they claimed it was so "cool" to slag off and trash.
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01-16-2013, 11:11 PM
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Having lived thru that period,and having seen so many of my friends go the way of fear for their status now,I'm feeling a little revolution is in order.Just hope that it doesn't end up like the old WHO song"........meet the new boss,same as the old boss........" 
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They were blind to a cold fact of evolution...that progress stems from the clashing merger of antagonistic extremes,out of the marriage of pinnacle freaks.
"A kind word does turn away wrath,friend;but the idea of your scalp swinging on my belt tickles me just as much".
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01-17-2013, 01:29 AM
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Having lived thru that period,and having seen so many of my friends go the way of fear for their status now,I'm feeling a little revolution is in order.Just hope that it doesn't end up like the old WHO song"........meet the new boss,same as the old boss........" |
You say you want a revolution. Well, you know, we all want to change the world. But, if you go carryin' pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone, anyhow. But, it's all gonna be all right.
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IX. The Courtyard
It was the city I had known before;
The ancient, leprous town where mongrel throngs
Chant to strange gods, and beat unhallowed gongs
In crypts beneath foul alleys near the shore.
The rotting, fish-eyed houses leered at me
From where they leaned, drunk and half-animate,
As edging through the filth I passed the gate
To the black courtyard where the man would be.
The dark walls closed me in, and loud I cursed
That ever I had come to such a den,
When suddenly a score of windows burst
Into wild light, and swarmed with dancing men:
Mad, soundless revels of the dragging dead—
And not a corpse had either hands or head!
-- Fungi from Yuggoth, by H.P. Lovecraft
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01-17-2013, 05:42 AM
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Run Forrest! RUN!
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Wow.
If I had not live through most of that time period I would believe it.
True the victor does try to rewrite history to please themselves.
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01-17-2013, 05:43 AM
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Run Forrest! RUN!
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The RW are the victors. So far, but not for much longer. We are now at the declining-end of the long arc of movement-conservative ascendancy in America -- the rising-end was 1964, when they were soundly defeated, but began to realize their potential strength. But now they are doomed by sheer generational demographics.
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This is purely delusional.
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Pointing the way...
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This is purely delusional.
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Wrong again, Chief HoMoNoMo.
The Age of Bitter Old White Men draws to a close. Your time is past.
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Wrong again, Chief HoMoNoMo.
The Age of Bitter Old White Men draws to a close. Your time is past.
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Not really.The majority of my gen seem to have drifted in to the whole "bitter and want all the pie" attitude that they were rebelling against.Each gen has to chose it's own fight,and I do hope for some of this new gen*****blem is they usually lack both the manners for co-operation,or the common vision to make lasting change.
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They were blind to a cold fact of evolution...that progress stems from the clashing merger of antagonistic extremes,out of the marriage of pinnacle freaks.
"A kind word does turn away wrath,friend;but the idea of your scalp swinging on my belt tickles me just as much".
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Wrong again, Chief HoMoNoMo.
The Age of Bitter Old White Men draws to a close. Your time is past.
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See the Pew Political Typology, 2011. The movement-conservative/Tea-Party base is the "Staunch Conservatives" (as distinct from the "Main Street Republicans").
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9% OF ADULT POPULATION /11% OF REGISTERED VOTERS
Basic Description: This extremely partisan Republican group is strongly conservative on economic and social policy and favors an assertive foreign policy. They are highly engaged in politics, most (72%) agree with the Tea Party, 54% regularly watch Fox News, and nearly half (47%) believe that President Obama was born outside the U.S.
Defining values: Extremely critical of the federal government and supportive of sharply limited government. Pro-business and strongly opposed to environmental regulation. Believe that military strength is the best way to ensure peace. Highly religious; most say homosexuality should be discouraged by society.
Who they are: More than nine-in-ten (92%) non-Hispanic white and 56% male. The oldest of the groups (61% ages 50 and older). Married (79%), Protestant (72%, including 43% white evangelical), and financially comfortable (70% say paying the bills is not a problem).
Lifestyle notes: Many are gun owners (57%) and regular churchgoers (57% attend weekly or more often), and fully 81% are homeowners. More watch Glenn Beck (23%) and listen to Rush Limbaugh (21%) than any other group.
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And their children and grandchildren will not replace them in commensurate numbers.
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IX. The Courtyard
It was the city I had known before;
The ancient, leprous town where mongrel throngs
Chant to strange gods, and beat unhallowed gongs
In crypts beneath foul alleys near the shore.
The rotting, fish-eyed houses leered at me
From where they leaned, drunk and half-animate,
As edging through the filth I passed the gate
To the black courtyard where the man would be.
The dark walls closed me in, and loud I cursed
That ever I had come to such a den,
When suddenly a score of windows burst
Into wild light, and swarmed with dancing men:
Mad, soundless revels of the dragging dead—
And not a corpse had either hands or head!
-- Fungi from Yuggoth, by H.P. Lovecraft
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...a moment closer...
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And their children and grandchildren will not replace them in commensurate numbers.
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Why do you say this?
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Pointing the way...
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Why do you say this?
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The non-white birth rate is now 50.4% in America and increasing with each year.
The bitter white male demographic has shrunk 2% with each election since 2004 and shows no signs of abating.
Your Republican masters have made it quite clear that non-whites and non-English speakers have no place whatsoever (outside of the requisite tokens) in the modern Republican party.
Those chickens are about to come home to roost, as the vast majority of minorities and non-English speakers vote Democratic.
Actions have consequences.
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The non-white birth rate is now 50.4% in America and increasing with each year.
The bitter white male demographic has shrunk 2% with each election since 2004 and shows no signs of abating.
Your Republican masters have made it quite clear that non-whites and non-English speakers have no place whatsoever (outside of the requisite tokens) in the modern Republican party.
Those chickens are about to come home to roost, as the vast majority of minorities and non-English speakers vote Democratic.
Actions have consequences.
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I did read that...about the birth rate. You are assuming, however, that every single person born (non-white) is/or will be a democrat. Same is for assuming that all white is republican...which we all know is not true.
I think it is more about each person's own philosophy rather than the skin color...in my opinion.
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Pointing the way...
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Originally Posted by julybaby04
I did read that...about the birth rate. You are assuming, however, that every single person born (non-white) is/or will be a democrat. Same is for assuming that all white is republican...which we all know is not true.
I think it is more about each person's own philosophy rather than the skin color...in my opinion.
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Excuse me, but once again you are assigning positions to me "assumming...is/will be a Democrat", and then criticizing the truthiness of the position you've assigned me. Shame on you.
For the record, I did not state that every single person will be a Democrat. That's you moving the goalposts, and its ludicrous.
Having said that, the trend the vast majority of non-whites voting for Democrats is undeniable: Upwards of 85% of African Americans generally vote Democratic, and somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of the Hispanic vote leans Democratic....and the Hispanic vote in particular has become increasingly Democratic since 2004.
Not all whites vote for Republicans, either.
With non-whites voting overwhelmingly for Democratic candidates and white folks basically split fairly evenly, the outlook does not bode well for Republicans.
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01-17-2013, 03:44 PM
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julybaby04 is offline
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Originally Posted by RobDownSouth
Excuse me, but once again you are assigning positions to me "assumming...is/will be a Democrat", and then criticizing the truthiness of the position you've assigned me. Shame on you.
For the record, I did not state that every single person will be a Democrat. That's you moving the goalposts, and its ludicrous.
Having said that, the trend the vast majority of non-whites voting for Democrats is undeniable: Upwards of 85% of African Americans generally vote Democratic, and somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of the Hispanic vote leans Democratic....and the Hispanic vote in particular has become increasingly Democratic since 2004.
Not all whites vote for Republicans, either.
With non-whites voting overwhelmingly for Democratic candidates and white folks basically split fairly evenly, the outlook does not bode well for Republicans.
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Perhaps I did assume you meant that...and yes, not every single non-white will vote Dem....just as I stated above that not all whites will vote Republican.
I think the things you mention above are probably, sadly, rather accurate. However, perhaps, as time moves along that the children and grandchildren, which you spoke of, of all the people mentioned begin growing up and seeing the hardship that has been placed on them by their parents and grandparents....perhaps they will decide a "new change" will need to take place....and being more fiscally responsible...or just responsible in general will be the new trend.
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01-17-2013, 03:52 PM
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TEH BRAIN
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Originally Posted by julybaby04
perhaps they will decide a "new change" will need to take place....and being more fiscally responsible...or just responsible in general will be the new trend.
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Why?
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